gevo27 Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 I really have no idea why you might say this - except for the normally demonstrated ignorance on your part. HMMMMMM!!!!!???? he professes that he has space for me and my family in his super deluxe bomb shelter for when the end times come If im ignorent.. and you still dont understand where you and your friend fail in these two statements.. then i refer back to either your friend doesnt knowCRAP about his faith.. or you are full of SHIT!!! and if i were to start explaining this.. i would be called a preacher.. such as it has been inferred>>>That's what makes Sasun special. He is now quite spiritual but not a blind religious fanatic that preaches God in every 3rd sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 Well Gevo - he happens to believe that the word/warnings/what have you (from the book and prophecy etc) are a call for believers to act on their own behalf - to not be passive - to ensure survival...thus when armeggedon or such occurs he will be preparred...who is to say..I mean I think he is nuts - but I fail to see how you are any more of an authority then he (in fact having read your various posts and having listening to [and debated] him I think I will go by his interpretation - at least as having more basis in something [factual?] and based on understanding what is written etc etc)....and he is not alone in this belief - in fact there is quite a network of armed and prepared (survivalist) Christians all around the nation (of which he is very well connected) who think similarly. And you might be amazed concerning which prominant people in this country (including members of the current administration) who are into this and who consult with my friend who is a bit of a recognized expert in the field (shelters, emergency preparadness, survivalism etc etc)...and in fact he is president of a rather high profile organization which at one time (before he died) included Edward Teller on its board of directors - among other known folks. A bit out there - perhaps....but fairly serious none-the less. So yeah I find it rather amusing that you might supose that you know better.... And an interesting aside - my friend has discussed/proposed us two writing an article together on this topic (to be published in a national journal along these lines that he edits)- him from the Christian perspective and me bringing in my Anthropological/mythological background/knowledge of end time prophecy from other cultures to discuss and compare such and to discuss survival possibilities/strategies etc etc....could be comewhat interesting....by the way...you have until 2012! (LOL) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 Well Gevo - he happens to believe that the word/warnings/what have you (from the book and prophecy etc) are a call for believers to act on their own behalf - to not be passive - to ensure survival...thus when armeggedon or such occurs he will be preparred...who is to say..I mean I think he is nuts - but I fail to see how you are any more of an authority then he (in fact having read your various posts and having listening to [and debated] him I think I will go by his interpretation - at least as having more basis in something [factual?] and based on understanding what is written etc etc)....and he is not alone in this belief - in fact there is quite a network of armed and prepared (survivalist) Christians all around the nation (of which he is very well connected) who think similarly. And you might be amazed concerning which prominant people in this country (including members of the current administration) who are into this and who consult with my friend who is a bit of a recognized expert in the field (shelters, emergency preparadness, survivalism etc etc)...and in fact he is president of a rather high profile organization which at one time (before he died) included Edward Teller on its board of directors - among other known folks. A bit out there - perhaps....but fairly serious none-the less. So yeah I find it rather amusing that you might supose that you know better.... And an interesting aside - my friend has discussed/proposed us two writing an article together on this topic (to be published in a national journal along these lines that he edits)- him from the Christian perspective and me bringing in my Anthropological/mythological background/knowledge of end time prophecy from other cultures to discuss and compare such and to discuss survival possibilities/strategies etc etc....could be comewhat interesting....by the way...you have until 2012! (LOL) OK,, i will briefly explain where what you say makes absolutley no sense to me.. ..especially by the time of armmegedon... I dont claim t be right.. or wrong.. and my faith is not in what i beleive the Bible says, its what it says.. no its not up for intrepertation, no it is not relative to the reader as i have heard from few people here... What the Bible says.. **this is a very brief explanation** is that the population of the world will be 2/3 of that after tha main wars, before the antichrist establishes himself as a world ruler.. thos nations who appose will be overrun by the power of the antichrist and his armies.. at this time he has not revealed himself as the antichrist, but he will do many things in the name of God, and/or that will make him seen as a miraculouse man, who does good for everyone and all he wants is peace. NOW... All this happends after millions of people literally dissapear.. and this is called the "rapture".. so my whole point has been.. it makes absolutely no relevant sense for a real christian, who believes all the bible says,, not with HIS interpretation... to say something like what you claim.. OK.. so THOT.. does that make sense? dont say my "views" or my "knowledge" is or is not superior to such and such... read the Bible,, if it says something in which i here have mistakenly said against, or have claimed wrongly.. please do go ahead and tell me.. a good place to start in the Bible for these prophecies is Isea, and Revelation... but ofcourse its very spread.... ok.. do we understand now that if one was to need the bomb shelter for armmegedon then one must have the need for it.. I am not passive I dont need the Bomb shelter.. i wont be around for that sort of action... any more questions? or stories about top leaders that have been stocking up on Bomb shelters??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 When I used to watch too much TV I was an atheist. When I used to read way too much on my free time I was an agnostic. Now that I am a starving student with no life, I'm a believer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted April 15, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 (edited) Yes Anoushik, I was an atheist, then agnostic, then believer. But when I was atheist the reason was that I was brainwashed to be atheist although there was never a heavy brainwashing. Just in a school in the Soviet Union pupils were taught that God doesn't exist and the church is a stupid thing, etc. I didn't have much choice than a one dimensional path of the Soviet type lies which among other things includes materialism and total non-spirituality. As I grew up I became more independent in thinking and for some time was convinced of atheism based on my "knowledge" which was in fact ignorance. As I matured more and was educated more (was a student in physics) I became agnostic as far as the existence of God is concerned, and was sort of spiritual in some ways and superstitious in other ways. Then I became a believer in God. But I tell you, true spirituality is an area that once you are in your understanding will only grow and grow without bounds. It is like a newly discovered very pleasant world that has no limits. You can never realize enough or too much. The more you go the more there is to see. And it is very clear to me that intellectually one cannot approach to this new world. So, my experience is the opposite - once you are spiritual you will never be atheist. P.S. When I say "true" spirituality I mean not to confuse with superstitions which I have experinced and thought it was spirituality. Thanks for sharing. My parents have similar experiences from the Soviet. Edit: I meant similar experiences with being forced to deny God's existence. Edited April 15, 2004 by anoushik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted April 15, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 http://www.swcp.com/~hswift/swc/Essays/Sheldrake.html I know i am asking a little too much, but it will be interesting that everyone here read this essay and say what he thinks of. Domino, I've never read so much lately as I've done this couple of days in this thread. I have to admit it is very interesting reading your posts. I guess I'll stop posting and just read from now on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted April 18, 2004 Report Share Posted April 18, 2004 I was kind of hoping to your response to my last post THOT... if you can please leave your thaughts and opinion.. i would like to see where i was wrong.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 I was kind of hoping to your response to my last post THOT... if you can please leave your thaughts and opinion.. i would like to see where i was wrong.. Your both nuts - what can I say...I have better things to do then to find a bible (havn't got one handy) and look up passages. All I know is that for every verse and/or prophecy and such there are others which contradict...etc...btw can you honestly tell me you are able to thread the needle through the camels eye.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 All I know is that for every verse and/or prophecy and such there are others which contradict...etc OHHH I C,, lol.. how do you know this.. btw: if this is all you know... lol.. im afraid.. thread a needle through the camals eyes u cant be serious... u want me to asnwer for the specific question that refers ONLY to this phrase..... thts not how the bible works... you cant bring it out of context.. nothing will make sense if you dont take in the context of which it is written with.. and i mean NOTHING,, as in from any book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 Is it me? Or do others have trouble understanding what Gevo's trying to say? Far be it from me to comment, but perhaps better use of punctuation, or some rudimentary grammar would help.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 ha ha ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 Is it me? Or do others have trouble understanding what Gevo's trying to say? Far be it from me to comment, but perhaps better use of punctuation, or some rudimentary grammar would help.... I use this as a time to take a break from studying and i get enough speel/grammer check for my school work.. lol.. so if you dont understand something.. please lemme know and i will be glad to make it more clear to you but i dont see what iv said that is so.. bad in grammer that you cant understand themeaning of it.. point to something and ill calrify Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 It was actually a general comment Gevo, although i was referring more specifically to this: cant be serious... u want me to asnwer for the specific question that refers ONLY to this phrase..... thts not how the bible works... you cant bring it out of context.. nothing will make sense if you dont take in the context of which it is written with.. and i mean NOTHING,, as in from any book After re-reading a few times I kind of figured out what you were saying. But i think those of us who are very 'time-poor' normally don't bother re-reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 I am glad Gevo doesn't anymore use the mysterious term "dangit" in every post of his Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 It was actually a general comment Gevo, although i was referring more specifically to this: After re-reading a few times I kind of figured out what you were saying. But i think those of us who are very 'time-poor' normally don't bother re-reading. ooookkkk.. well in general i dont know.. im sorry you dont undersand what i write... but for this specific quote.. well..loll either i am out of it (whcih i am about now, to many ours of reading the same textbook) or what i said actually does make sense... whatever.. and sasun.. i reserv the right to use that term "dangit" when very well applicable... so dangit whats wrong with that? and common Sasun jan, it would be a GREAT exxageration as to saying i use it in every post.. lol.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 and sasun.. i reserv the right to use that term "dangit" when very well applicable... so dangit whats wrong with that? and common Sasun jan, it would be a GREAT exxageration as to saying i use it in every post.. lol.. dangit what's wrong with exaggerating? that's cool Gevo jan, according to the human rights protocol every person above 18 is entitled the right to say "dangit" as often as he/she wishes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 every person above 18 dangit Whoops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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