koko Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 (edited) Turkey will never admitt their crimes of genocide against the armenians. Such a thing would never accour, it means a great deal, if they would admit it, it would mean the end of the turkish state, and the end of kurdistan, and the end of many of armenia problems today.. Haha! Dream on... Edited March 25, 2004 by koko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthSwine Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Are you agreeing with me? KOKO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koko Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 It is our duty as armenians to work for a recnognition world-wide, till that extent its possible. It's nothing we can ignore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthSwine Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 our duty as armenians is to make ARMENIA better. forget the Genocide until then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyeguy21 Posted March 25, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 (edited) I don't know about you, but many in my family were massacred, very few got away. I sure as hell will not set it aside. I am shocked to read your view on the Armenian Genocide. Were your parents foreigners or something? The fact of the matter is we will always need to work on Armenia. What's wrong with working on the Armenian cause, too? Armenians are not lazy people. We are good at multi-tasking. Edited March 25, 2004 by hyeguy21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koko Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 (edited) ok, thats your opinion. You just want to run and squeel on Turkey. pft, playground stuff. You have to take the law into your hands. And having the whole world go," Aww poor Armenians i feel soo bad, Turkey is soo bad, BAD TURKEY!" is not what I want. Because that makes us more like Jews. How many ***ing movies i have seen that keep on insulting Germans, Russians, etc etc. The reason I dont want any concentration on this Genocide subject is because that is costing us money, money that can be used for sending a kid to college and bringing more home. Ask yourself this, if turkey admits to the genocide, what will we be getting? cant think of anything? thats because we are going to get Jack Squat. The Beatles kick Arse... We are not like jews, we are armenians, that can't be discussed, we are different, for good or worse(!) And we should do all to keep our tradition, and culture alive. Did you see Atoms Egoyans film Ararat? Did he demolish the turks that they would look bad in peoples eyes? NO!He was pretty careful in portaiting the genocide on motion picture. (personlly i think it was well done) There is no way to defend what the turks did, I dont care how it will look in others eyes, but its time that people realize facts. The turks were brutally massacring people, just as the kurds were doing, and the fact is that the armenians were absolutly defensless against these people who halv of them were bandits, filthy fanatic scums. Not to mention that Turkey still continues to opress its minorites. This is not just a cause for armenians! Unfortunatly we seem to be pretty much alone in working towards a recognition for the genocide. Edited March 25, 2004 by koko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mx5 Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 (edited) allianses are not permenant nor politics are static,the time will come for sure and we will have our OPPORTUNITY!! until then we shall keep the memory vivid and fresh in our minds and hearts. what Turkey did to us has not faded away ,we are still living its concequances. Pigy,sure you live in a house,lets assume one day at night a bunch of thieves assaults your house murders your family takes over your house ,you were spared only because you were wounded so badly to be left for your own death,but somehow miracelously you have survived!!and gained back your health. now you are telling me that you have already forgoten your house and family!!went back to normal life pretending nothing have happened!!,Now you must be made of Iron nurves,but do not expact others to be like you ,most of us are mortal humans have a memory and feeling. Edited March 28, 2004 by mx5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 yes of course I am. Apparently, no lesson has been learned. History teaches us that history teaches us nothing, my favorite quote. They are already off the hook, have been for a while, UK supports them, Israel Supports them, USA supports them...Who is left to stop them? I suggest you listen to yourself. Peace. Never mind talking to you, I'm going to do something less painful like bang my head against the wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilafhead Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 (edited) At a minimum, I believe Armenians should not give up on having recognition be a top priority as long as there are survivors still alive. We owe it to them to continue to seek recognition in their lifetimes. Where I see the problem is that we're letting a few decades in our centuries of history define us. Armenian History <> the genocide. And as a practical matter, the US has way too many priorities with respect to Turkey that are going to stand in the way of anything significant ever being done. Sad but true. And having the whole world go," Aww poor Armenians i feel soo bad, Turkey is soo bad, BAD TURKEY!" is not what I want. Because that makes us more like Jews. I agree, but there are some differences. Armenians do not continue to portray themselves as victims and most of us are not seeking anything beyond historical recognition. The Jews on the other hand, have the history books in their favor but they continue to somewhat portray themselves as victims--and in many ways, rightly so. Jews continue to be hated and persecued. When you've got neo-Nazis and other vehement anti-semitics walking the globe, you have a need and a right to wave your victim banner. Edited April 25, 2004 by Pilafhead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnoushBabyGirl1 Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 We can not ever forget the Genocide or turkey's crimes against humanity. How will we be able to do anything for our country if people don't even take it seriously? Most of America doesn't even know about what happened to us because nobody will use the word "genocide." How can you ignore it when if you ignore it you are just opening yourself up to more persecution? Look at the jews. I'm not saying we should do what they do, but no one will ever oppress them again, they are the oppressors now. When people dare to say anything about Israel, they always get the same answer "What about the holocaust." Everyone is aware of what happened and no one tolerates Nazism anymore, but it is OK for the turks to blatantly lie about proven FACTS and no one even calls them on it, or condemns their current policy towards minorities and their history of Genocide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 The Jews on the other hand, have the history books in their favor but they continue to somewhat portray themselves as victims--and in many ways, rightly so. Jews continue to be hated and persecued. When you've got neo-Nazis and other vehement anti-semitics walking the globe, you have a need and a right to wave your victim banner. So which came first? the chicken or the egg? (disclaimer: I HATE to make comments like this, but Pilaf, you brought it up.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaheet Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 All in All, the bigger enemy is not turkey, but freedom in the United States and Europe...Armenians cant fight if there are none, and Racial mixing is slowly causing is to be extinct. Um....I'm only half-Armenian myself. One reason I found this forum is that I'm interested in connecting with my Armenian heritage. But I find it a bit disconcerting to be condemned from the git-go on account of being a halfbreed. I think that's silly. If you get people like me engaged, you have more people, you have more strength, you have more power, and (not least importantly!) you have more lobbyists. Another point- it's all very easy to condemn folks for marrying 'otars' (a word I'd never heard of before surfing the internet) when you live in an all-Armenian Little Armenia like you find in Glendale where my father's million cousins live. It's a hell of a lot harder when your family is all the Armenians you know. So- YOU tell ME. Should I bother making more connections with my heritage or not, or will I be blown off as another otar? Armenians need to be engaged with the outside world. For one thing, that way more people will know who we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 (edited) Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koko Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 (edited) Anaheet: Another point- it's all very easy to condemn folks for marrying 'otars' (a word I'd never heard of before surfing the internet) when you live in an all-Armenian Little Armenia like you find in Glendale where my father's million cousins live. It's a hell of a lot harder when your family is all the Armenians you know. Vigil:Oh, your absolutely right, which is why I never hold the same standards for "isolated" communities. I read through your post though i came across this line wich I dont really understand what it is you mean. Could you please clarify it a bit! ? Thank you! Edited May 27, 2004 by koko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Um....I'm only half-Armenian myself. One reason I found this forum is that I'm interested in connecting with my Armenian heritage. But I find it a bit disconcerting to be condemned from the git-go on account of being a halfbreed. Anaheet jan, I completely agree with you. WELCOME!!! I greet you with open arms as an Armenian. To HF as well as into the Armenian community. Please DO connect with your heritage. And please disregard Vigil's opinion that Armenian-ness is such an exclusive club that those with 'impure' blood need not apply. Good luck, and hope you post here often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 (edited) Anaheet welcome and please be engaging.As for you being half?I never think people as halfs so flourish in full stride. I am sure you will soon be asked out by our romantic Azat He is the works! Edited May 28, 2004 by Armat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Anaheet jan welcome to Hyeforum and enjoy your stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mx5 Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Anaheet, It is not Vigil it is not me nor enyone else who defines you as an Armeniaan or not,it is you and you alone who does that,if deep down inside you feel that you are Armenian and you are proud of it, than most probably you are more Armenian than some who pretend to be "pure".I would encourage you to marry an Armenian provided you give priority to the Armenian heritage over your other half,(with due respect to it) yet I agree with Vigil most of the time....!!and realy like to read his posts to the end... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaheet Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Anaheet welcome and please be engaging.As for you being half?I never think people as halfs so flourish in full stride. I am sure you will soon be asked out by our romantic Azat He is the works! Thanks for the welcome! I am open to flirting with all comers, except Vigil (who wouldn't anyway!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaheet Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Anaheet jan, I completely agree with you. WELCOME!!! I greet you with open arms as an Armenian. To HF as well as into the Armenian community. Please DO connect with your heritage. And please disregard Vigil's opinion that Armenian-ness is such an exclusive club that those with 'impure' blood need not apply. Good luck, and hope you post here often. Merci, Vava jan! I appreciate the welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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