The Passion Of The Christ

[Vigil]

The Passion of The Christ...Opens Febuary 25th

http://www.thepassionofthechrist.com/no_flash.htm#

 

I am not very Religious or Spiritual, but is it just me or is Hollywood blacklisting this movie, cast, crew, and Mel Gibson? I mean you do no see ANY promotion on this movie? Is it really Anti-Semetic or a recollection of history?

 

Anyways it looks good so far I am going to go check out it out.

Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil

[ExtraHye]

That's what I used to think, but I saw a commercial about the movie this morning.

[Sip]

It has been getting a lot of exposure ... then they had the "incident" with whether the pope gave it 2 thumbs up or not a few weeks ago .... I personally will probably not bother to go sit through it since it's in latin.

 

Last year I think I saw 2 movies in total ... "dumb and dumberer" and "hot chick" (hmmm or maybe hotchick was the year before). This year I plan to spend my 2 movie budget wisely

[angel4hope]

hmmm i dont think that its anti semetic at all...IMO

i think anti semitism is more than that-like saying you hate jews

for example if there was a jewish serial killer who only killed christians and someone made a movie about it...would that be considered anti-semitism?

 

i guess its just the fact that the jews were probably depicted as the antagonists in the movie and that's why some people think that its anti-semetic ...just my take on it--thats all--if you have a better idea share--id like to know

[Anileve]

It has been getting a lot of exposure ... then they had the "incident" with whether the pope gave it 2 thumbs up or not a few weeks ago .... I personally will probably not bother to go sit through it since it's in latin.

 

Last year I think I saw 2 movies in total ... "dumb and dumberer" and "hot chick" (hmmm or maybe hotchick was the year before). This year I plan to spend my 2 movie budget wisely

Ok comparing Passion and Hot Chick...I sense that there is something wrong with the picture.

 

It's like comparing "La Dolce Vita" to "Terminator I,II,III"

 

Sip, it's about feelings and smbolism. Not everything is supposed to consist of smart dialogs out of "Rocky".

[Vigil]

To be honest I am going to go see the movie because "the media" told me not to go watch it. That is the only reason why I am going to go see the movie.

 

They said the same things about Socialism and the rest of the books they banned were said to be "bad for us" because it provorks "evilness".

Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil

[shiner]

Yeah I'm really curious to seee this movie too mostly because of the controversy. Does anyone know if the original script has been altered to satisfy Jewish concerns?

[gamavor]

Back in Communist times, we had very charming postman. He was always on time and polite.

One time, during Easter, as usual he was delivering the post and I by accident run off him and greated him with the words "Hristos Voskrese", wich is equall to ours "Christos hariav i merelotz". The poor postman, replyed " I wish you all the best too"!

[Stormig]

What I think - best to wait until it is released. Don't you guys see, it's likely going to be an exercise in futility to discuss right now whether it is this or that. Let's learn from Ararat. I don't think it actually met anyone's expectations - for some it was better, for others it was a disappointment, etc. I personally am looking forward to it, should prove very interesting.

[Arpa]

What I think - best to wait until it is released. Don't you guys see, it's likely going to be an exercise in futility to discuss right now whether it is this or that. Let's learn from Ararat. I don't think it actually met anyone's expectations - for some it was better, for others it was a disappointment, etc. I personally am looking forward to it, should prove very interesting.

It is curious that you compare this movie to Ararat. Even if Ararat may not match in scope the Passion will accomplish as much if not more. Ararat did accomplish, even if it was only a side effect, it casued the Turks and Turkey to sink deeper into primitiveness and by simply not having the courage to expose the people to the other side of the debate is in a way an admission and the fear of not being able to stand scrutiny.

The Passionwill also has it side effect. Even if there will be those who will agree 100% and those the contrary it will at least untie the tongues of people to once again have the courage the J word and the S word without the fear of being labled with that all encompassing term of terror. The movie may break the cycle of terror that has gripped the world for so long, specially since the turn of the century but more so since WWII. This movie may act as an aid to give the world the freedom to use some words without fear. It is ironic that one of those words is an S word reminiscent of the dark days of media when the boldest of them all dared not pronounce certain words in public such as that three letter word beginning with S, and even the inability to say "pregnant" on the air, yet in tis day and age when miss Janet can flaunt her mammry gland in plain view of billions the entire world has been placed on warning to not use certain terms lest one would be in th leat tarred and feathered in the pages of the worlds most prestigious media.

Once again, if everything fails it will at least create a debate and even a dialogue.

As to Ararat, compare the size of the audience and the financing.

 

Newsweeek cover story of last week may have said it best.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4212741/

 

BTW. I never knew the origin of the word "stigma", see if you can find its derivation.

[Stormig]

Arpa, rather than the aftermath, I was referring to what people say before, like, "I don't think it's an anti-Semitic movie" and all that, just like they were saying, "I don't think it's demeaning of Armenians," or "I don't think it has as much to do about genocide as it has to do with the present-day psyche." One can't make a judgement about the movie until they see it, just like one can't "judge a book from its cover." I think that it should be changed to "judge a book from its cover and reviews."

Let me guess - stigma is Greek for Stormig?

 

[Middle English stigme, brand, from Latin stigma, stigmat-, tattoo indicating slave or criminal status, from Greek, tattoo mark, from stizein, stig-, to prick. See steig- in Indo-European Roots.]

 

BTW, Sip, it's not in Latin, it's in Aramaic - all the more reason it should be interesting, hearing the language.

[Sip]

Ok comparing Passion and Hot Chick...I sense that there is something wrong with the picture.

I just wanted to paint a more accurate picture of why I may or may not go see the movie as my decision may not necessarily depend on the quality of the movie per se.

 

Stormig, I stand corrected. I guess with Aramaic it will be a lot more understandable

[Arpa]

Arpa, rather than the aftermath, I was referring to what people say before, like, "I don't think it's an anti-Semitic movie" and all that, just like they were saying, "I don't think it's demeaning of Armenians," or "I don't think it has as much to do about genocide as it has to do with the present-day psyche." One can't make a judgement about the movie until they see it, just like one can't "judge a book from its cover." I think that it should be changed to "judge a book from its cover and reviews."

Let me guess - stigma is Greek for Stormig?

 

 

 

BTW, Sip, it's not in Latin, it's in Aramaic - all the more reason it should be interesting, hearing the language.

You put it correctly.

Why can't we use certain words without being labeled an stigmatized as this or that. Look at how many taboo words we use.

Stigma. Of course we knew that it at least infers "branding" or "stamp/imprint", the nuance that I got from the the article that it is being used to mean the imprint and the scars caused by the "pshe-psak", the crown of thorn.

As to the Aramaic. I would like to know how it was done. How the actors learned and recited it , or was it dubbed. The only people who can still speak Aramaic are the Chaldeans of Syria, or even Iraq.

 

Stigma=Stormig?

You have already been stigmatized as having brains on top of beauty. A mortal sin! :)

[Stormig]

Sip, it'll have subtitles. I'm sure you don't have experience, but, believe me, they're not that distracting.

 

 

 

I also think that Jews crying “it is anti-Semitic” beforehand is BS, period. You can’t judge that until you watch or unless you have the script in your hand, and even then the latter is not reliable. The high priest Caiaphus had to calculate that declaring Jesus a rebel would get him convicted by the Romans, rather than running the risk on his own of riots against his authority if he declared this increasingly popular person a blasphemer only. Jesus condemned commonly-accepted Jewish “norms” of setting aside the handicapped, the sick, prostitutes, etc., as “unclean,” banning them entry to the temple and all, and he condemned the Temple as an institute which worked as luxury-producing machine for the priests (and I can’t help thinking of Marquis de Sade’s priest uncle). Sun-struck or not, blasphemer or not, adored and worshipped or not, it was such a person that they had crucified. Rather than yearning and lamenting for the temple to this day, I don’t see any harm in people accepting that their ancestors were quite cruel to their own people (and it is for little wonder that today some among them can treat those unlike themselves the way they do). That way there can be reconciliation of some sort between the two bunches that throw silly arguments at each other, once and for all, if it hasn’t happened among appropriate bodies already. Then of course there is the thing with, “Was it Romans that killed him or was it the Jews?” It was both. Remember the Roman soldier that gave him a water and vinegar through a sponge? And then I’m not going to go into the fact that one of the female actors in Passion is a Jew.

[THOTH]

New York Daily News - http://www.nydailynews.com

Furor just before Gibson's 'The Passion' opens

By TRACY CONNOR

DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Thursday, February 19th, 2004

 

A week before Mel Gibson's movie about Jesus Christ hits theaters, his father has gone on an explosive rant against Jews - claiming they fabricated the Holocaust and are conspiring to take over the world.

"They're after one world religion and one world government," Hutton Gibson, 85, said in a radio interview that will air Monday night.

 

"That's why they've attacked the Catholic Church so strongly, to ultimately take control over it by their doctrine."

 

In the bizarre interview, Gibson also said Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan should be lynched and called for the government to be overthrown.

 

The movie star's father has made outrageous statements about the Holocaust and Jewish conspiracies before.

 

But the timing of his latest comments is certain to fuel the uproar over his son's movie, "The Passion of The Christ," which opens Ash Wednesday.

 

Some critics say the movie blames Jews for the death of Christ and will provoke anti-Semitism, and they question why Mel Gibson hasn't denounced his father's views.

 

Hutton Gibson spoke Monday to Steve Feuerstein of "Speak Your Piece!" on WSNR (620 AM), a show syndicated by Talkline, the largest syndicator of Jewish programming.

 

Some of his most outrageous rants focused on the millions of Jews exterminated by Adolf Hitler.

 

"They claimed that there were 6.2 million in Poland before the war, and they claimed after the war there were 200,000 - therefore he must have killed 6 million of them," he said. "They simply got up and left! They were all over the Bronx and Brooklyn and Sydney, Australia, and Los Angeles."

 

He said the Germans did not have enough gas to cremate 6 million people and that the concentration camps were just "work camps."

 

"It's all - maybe not all fiction - but most of it is," he said.

 

Gibson repeatedly smeared prominent Jews as money-grubbing power-mongers.

 

"Greenspan tells us what to do. Someone should take him out and hang him."

 

He even belittled the Pope's reported endorsement of "The Passion," recounting how Mel referred to the pontiff as an "ass."

 

Gibson reserved most of his vitriol for Judaism, asking: "Is the Jew still actively anti-Christian? He is, for by being a Jew, he is anti-everyone else."

 

Mel Gibson's spokesman, Alan Nierob, had no comment on the elder Gibson's tirade.

 

But Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League said they were the words of a "classical anti-Semite."

 

"If it wasn't so sad, it would be funny," he said.

 

He's troubled by Mel Gibson's failure to condemn his father's beliefs, and pointed to a recent interview where Gibson said his dad never lied to him.

 

"Well, he's been lying to the world, but it sounds like truth to the son? That's strange," Foxman said.

[DominO123]

Did you guys see how much money the movie did? It was a supposed failure and now I wonder if it will beat the LOTR or even come close to Titanic.

[gevo27]

they made 25 mil in the first day it was released.. and i know many people go back and watch it again.. lol... i knew the story quite well, didnt even get amazed at the film in its contextual form.. but as a "movie" it was a very nicely and quite hystorically accurate put together filmm...

[Sip]

Don't give away the ending ... I haven't seen it yet.

[DominO123]

Don't give away the ending ... I haven't seen it yet.

[angel4hope]

vay Sip....ure such a dork!! so ure sayin u didnt know that jesus dies in the end? lol oooooooopsie-- i screaed up the ending for you.amaaaaaaan

[Sasun]

I saw the movie yesterday. It was well done as far as I can see, however the scenes of torture were just too much to the degree that it was almost unbearable to watch. I mean, OK poor Jesus was tortured in a very inhumane way but that shouldn't be a central part in a movie. There is much-much more worthy to tell of Christ's life than mindless cruelty exercised to him. I don't understand why so much stress was put on the most negative part of the story. Why not include inspiring and positive scenes of Jesus's preaching activities, miracles, etc.

 

Nonetheless, the message of Christ was clear in the movie, and that message was Forgiveness. I don't agree with some critics who say it causes antisemitism. What is true is true, it happened so that the Jews killed the very Messiah who they had been waiting for. Well, suppose they don't believe that Jesus was the one they were waiting for, the minimum fact remains that they have killed an innocent man.

 

Personally for me it reinvigorated anger against clerical arrogance, ignorance, and blind dogmatism. The Jewish corrupt priests reminded me of our own Christian corrupt churchmen who would most likely behave the same way had they been in place of the Jewish ones.

[angel4hope]

i havent seen it yet no one wants to take me 2 the movies lol well actually i havent been able to get out the house much- sounds good though- my bro was raving about how great it was, now im jealous- i wanna go see it asap

[allarmeniangirl]

Well, I saw the movie yesterday and it was very well done. It was not in English, it was in the actual language that Jesus spoke....I forget what it's called, but it was in subtitles so the audience could still understand. I didn't learn anything new from the movie since I already knew what happened and how it happened, but it was really good to see it with your own eyes. Reading it is one thing, but seeing it is another. I also liked the fact that duduk played through out the whole movie.

I don't think the movie was concentrated to portray Jews horribly, it jsut showed what we all kow. There are plenty of people hating the Jews for it because it is the truth and it is what happene, but while watching the movie, I did not see anything that was new to make the Jews seem absolutely horrible.

i wanna go see it asap 

You should, it is very well done. It was somewhat motherly at some parts......if that makes sense. lol

[Sasun]

I forgot to mention one disturbing detail: that satan/devil thing that appeared on a few occasions in the movie. Although I appreciate the symbolism and connection to the Satan in the story of Jesus and throughout the Bible the particular way it was made in the movie was really bad. Nowhere in the Gospels there is a mention of such a creature (with a child-satan or whatever the hell it might be) appearing in that fasion. It looked like a character from a 'vampire slayer'. In my opinion it was a really bad choice and not fitting the rest of the movie and the story.

[SALTnPEPA92]

I havent seen it yet and I heard it was the bomb I have to go see it im anxious