Vigil Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 (edited) I would like to congradulate Domino for his wonderful posts on a certain site, which I stoped posting at because of the idiocy of the forum readers. Anyways Domino do you mind if I collect your writings in case we lose them because I really enjoy reading your posts on that site? Also, it is IMPORTANT we keep his writings alive so I was thinking of proposing a section dedicated to Domino and his writings towards denialist, AG, and NK. A section where Domino can post his writings. This would make things easier for denialist because we would just point them to that thread instead of writing the same points over and over again. SO if you can MODERATORS please open a section for his posts because there is alot of valuable information he has spent researching and it would be a waste to just let it be scattered around. Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 Why not just setup a simple website for it and give them links to that site? Do you really want to funnel dumb ass denialists into this forum? But I do agree with you that Domino is a kick ass dude. I personally don't think a "discussion forum" is a place to post article after article of evidence and analysis on a subject because 1) It is very difficult to keep it organized especially if it sparks discussion and 2) It will get lost among all the other things going on. Of course there is no problem with posting it but keeping things organized and archived in a useful way is not something that the "discussion forum format" is suitable for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
den_wolf Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 Denialists? Of what? The Armenian genocide? Well, k, I might not agree with denialism, but what's so bad about denialists coming here and discussing things? I mean, a discussion forum does not reflect the viewpoints of its members, so if you let denialists in, it doesn't mean that you're a denialist forum, does it? Besides, not all denialists are dumb, even though certainly there are some who apply to name-calling instead of discussing or debating, but even in the other side (defenders of the Armenian genocide) there are such people. I would have no problem in seeing denialists come here and try to have a normal discussion. I have no problem with people's views, they are entitled to it. Just my £1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 I would have no problem in seeing denialists come here and try to have a normal discussion... Hahahha ... Den you are so young and naive! This is so cute! But on a serious note, as a rule of thumb I think it's a bad idea to drag fights and arguments from other forums into this one. There is just no good that can come out of such a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 I would like to congradulate Domino for his wonderful posts on a certain site, which I stoped posting at because of the idiocy of the forum readers. Anyways Domino do you mind if I collect your writings in case we lose them because I really enjoy reading your posts on that site? Also, it is IMPORTANT we keep his writings alive so I was thinking of proposing a section dedicated to Domino and his writings towards denialist, AG, and NK. A section where Domino can post his writings. This would make things easier for denialist because we would just point them to that thread instead of writing the same points over and over again. SO if you can MODERATORS please open a section for his posts because there is alot of valuable information he has spent researching and it would be a waste to just let it be scattered around. Vigil, keep them, but no need to have a section for me... there is another more interesting project regarding this... Oh and just sit and injoy the show, just wait my answer to the Mod there... he really thinks he can have me by copy pasting the materials... I am preparing that guy a big surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 Hahahha ... Den you are so young and naive! This is so cute! But on a serious note, as a rule of thumb I have always been against dragging fights and crap from other forums into this one. There is just no good that can come out of such a thing. Agree with you on thei one Sip. Well i don't think we are preventing anyone from joing the forum and discussing things civily. In fact - in the past several Turks have contributed in this forum and discussed issues quite reasonably - though they wer'ent always well recieved by all...but by and large the type that deny - and that are attracted to arguing such - well not really the top of the food chain as it were... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
den_wolf Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 Hahahha ... Den you are so young and naive! This is so cute! Oh? Why would you think so? Why would anyone be afraid of talking or discussing something with someone if they are sure that their position is correct? I don't understand it. Sorry, Sip. I don't get this one. But on a serious note, as a rule of thumb I think it's a bad idea to drag fights and arguments from other forums into this one. There is just no good that can come out of such a thing. Well, O.K., I'm not talking about INVITING them in, per se. But if they do come here on their own, it's fine with me, as long as the discussion is kept civil on BOTH sides, and that moderators moderate BOTH sides equally. But is that possible? That is the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 Well, O.K., I'm not talking about INVITING them in, per se. But if they do come here on their own, it's fine with me, as long as the discussion is kept civil on BOTH sides, and that moderators moderate BOTH sides equally. But is that possible? That is the question. None of us have anything against what you're describing. As a matter of fact, it has occurred on several occasions - and we've even had members stick around for months discussing the merits of the Turkish/denialist positions verses the evidence brought forth by Armenians. But discussion is rare, wolf - by and large most of the 'deniers' that visit have absolutely no intention of discussing anything, and visit to merely hurl insults and cause disruptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted February 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 (edited) My point is not to bring denialist here to enlighten them because many have tried that and failed. RECENT EXAMPLE: Domino on another forum has debated the argument and has proven(footnotes of sources) denialist wrong. In fact the last post he made, which I copyed and pasted onto a word file for safe keeping is about 22 pages long. That is how much effort he has put into his research and the only response to that post was... "You guys deserve what you got because you backstabbed Turkey" Or "Ok what do you guys want land, money, what?" Or "Let us forget the past and think of the future" Not one time has any of the Turkish denialist apologized. Now with this being said my only reason for stating we need a place to record his writings is because Domino spends his time writing these wonderful sources of information and it should be kept somwhere so we can refer to them whenever we need to. Also I would like to point out that I was reading a recent a article about South Africa and at one point it was trying to compare the situation to other ethnic clashes in history. The list of clashes the author used was as he stated "this can be compared to the suffering of the Jews because of Germans during WW2, Turks due to Armenians during WW1, and...". Afterwards I was shocked at how stupid this person must have been because logically their is no way that 2.5million people could have oppressed a country of 40 million, but somehow it slipped through the cracks. Anyways just somthing to think about, but it was an internet article and it is not that crucial. Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 I would like to congradulate Domino for his wonderful posts on a certain site, which I stoped posting at because of the idiocy of the forum readers. Anyways Domino do you mind if I collect your writings in case we lose them because I really enjoy reading your posts on that site? Also, it is IMPORTANT we keep his writings alive so I was thinking of proposing a section dedicated to Domino and his writings towards denialist, AG, and NK. A section where Domino can post his writings. This would make things easier for denialist because we would just point them to that thread instead of writing the same points over and over again. SO if you can MODERATORS please open a section for his posts because there is alot of valuable information he has spent researching and it would be a waste to just let it be scattered around. I will say Fed not only disserves a Section but a whole forum I have had this idea for some time now to gave a designated sub/forum to some of our prominent forum members Fed, Arpa…… will see if our forum software will allow this. but first we need to open teh chit chat temp forum..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 (edited) My point is not to bring denialist here to enlighten them because many have tried that and failed. RECENT EXAMPLE: Domino on another forum has debated the argument and has proven(footnotes of sources) denialist wrong. In fact the last post he made, which I copyed and pasted onto a word file for safe keeping is about 22 pages long. That is how much effort he has put into his research and the only response to that post was... Make that double for my next reply(over 40 pages), follow this new one, as I have added many new fresh materials in it... I am not retyping everything of course, i have exchanges saved which I adapt, denialists are typical, they use the same trash over again... I just add new sources and quotations. And than link them all together. This one which I am preparing, I dough Hattu will ever answer it... as the guy after repeating katchadouni katchadouni forced me to present him three reports of the commitee formed by Katchadouni from the Russian/Soviet official archives... lets see what will be his reply to that. This poor shap thinks that those few things he can copypast could match my materials. BTW, don't worry I may be absent from that other board, but more absent I am, more hard I bite later... BTW Uncle MosJan, I think everyone could be happy if you could creat a new forum called "Hagarags trash can." In this way, we can all breath without having to wonder when will be his next hit. Edited February 16, 2004 by Fadix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 I am not retyping everything of course, i have exchanges saved which I adapt, denialists are typical, they use the same trash over again... I just add new sources and quotations. And than link them all together. All the more reason for creating a Domino-bot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 All the more reason for creating a Domino-bot! Yeh! I have read a lot about this artficial intelligence stuff... it will take me long to build such a thing... I really seriously though of it... but with the volume of informations it has to contain... ayaaa... impossible... Maybe a new project for Azat? Or Harut theses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 Maybe a new project for Azat? Or Harut theses? what does it pay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
den_wolf Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 By the way, which board are we talking about? Can someone PM me with the info, if that's fine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted February 18, 2004 Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 (edited) what does it pay? A friendship. ---- BTW Vigil, the 40 pages wide stuff is posted as promessed... Lets see if denialists will still use those "Armenian sources" to "prove" Muslim genocide by Armenians... EDITED: The thread with the 40 pages information has been deleted by the moderator(typical). Edited February 18, 2004 by Fadix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted February 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 (edited) I have it on file so we can repost it, but I doubt it will do any good. I read the mods reply and I have to say that Turks truly are ignorant people. They could not reply to your response so they deleted it. Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted February 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 (edited) The Mods Response is on file here... Listen to me one last time you annoying user ; according to turkish government statements THERE WAS NO GENOCIDE ! that is enough for turks and you should refrain from lying about ALLEGED GENOCIDE . The reasons to delete Domino's post ? 1 - No Genocide therefore content is falsely manufactured to suit an agenda i.e to prove that there was a genocide . 2 - accusing Hattushil as a distorter while everyone of the mods here knows that the Domino and yourself are the number one distorters of the TRUTH . The Truth ? There was NO GENOCIDE The Truth ? I defend the Turkish Side and my stand on this issue makes you and Domino really , really , really mad . Tuh senin kalibina tukureyim , irkci amerikalilarin sitesinde bile beni takip et , kendi gozlerinle gor kkk'cilar ile nasil ugrastigimi , ondan sonra , hic bir post'un delete olmadigi halde kalk gel t.com'da cencorship var diye yalan soyle ..... gavatsin oglum , hem kotu bir avukat hemde gavat oglu gavatsin . It is truly sad that somone would do that to your honest post, but I am just placing this here just so people see how denialist obscure the truth. Anyways because that person used "Domino's" it seems to me those members on that forum come here often and read through the posts. Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted February 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 (edited) Oh yeah here is the typical Turkish denialist reply...I am just posting this so the thread does not mysteriously get deleted and put back up again. Enjoy! Of course it is meaningless that ur ancestors started it all. And yes my father can beat urs.. Allready did indeed. As fOr turkish cussing u want; U R NOT WORTH IT.... Ps; As for ur friend fadish's books... All what I can say is; If you did not know Hitler and read "Mein Kampf", you can easily think that "He is quite intelligent and nice guy" So the books Fadish keep wasting time on does not change the reality.. U PRO-CLAIMED UR INDEPENDANT ARMENIA, STARTED IT ALL AND LOST A WAR WHICH CAUSED A LOT OF CIVILIAN LOSSES AS WELL. And you just cannot handle it... Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Vigil, That was genius of you to copy and save Domino's most recent post at the Turkey forum. I was fortunate enough to have read the whole thing, and when I hit reply, the whole thread had been deleted, and I couldn't read it again. I was so mad at myself for not having copied it, and now I am so glad to find out that you have saved it. That was a lot of work, and it was truly a heroic effort by Domino, which, of course, was totally ignored by the retards who deny something they don't know anything about. Discussing the Genocide there is like talking to a brick wall. And the admin there obviously knows there was a Genocide, which is why he deletes Domino's posts. He is afraid that someone else might learn something outside of the usual Turkish denial formula. Domino, I'm sorry your post got deleted. I've made my complaints as public as I can, and right now I am too mad at the censorship of your thread to think rationally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Guys, guys, guys, I have that post saved, do you guys really believe that I have writen the whole 40 pages by using that forum text editor. Come on! To say the truth, I knew it would be deleted, I save everything I post there. Another matter, I would like to continue this conversation on PM, it is not that it is not interesting, but this whole affair will attrack some buzzes over here, and I believe no one is interested to that. Phantom, if you go at the feedback section of that forum, the entire thread is there. Oh, and Phantom, it would be a good idea from your part to post that(about censorship) at the feedback section of russian VCI site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Thank you Domino! You're right about attracting an unwanted 'buzz' over here. Nice of you all to take this to PMs - it's always better to avoid bringing the intrigue of other forums to this one. We all appreciate Domino's efforts & research - and we've all learned a thing or two as a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Guys, guys, guys, I have that post saved, do you guys really believe that I have writen the whole 40 pages by using that forum text editor. Come on! To say the truth, I knew it would be deleted, I save everything I post there. Another matter, I would like to continue this conversation on PM, it is not that it is not interesting, but this whole affair will attrack some buzzes over here, and I believe no one is interested to that. Phantom, if you go at the feedback section of that forum, the entire thread is there. Oh, and Phantom, it would be a good idea from your part to post that(about censorship) at the feedback section of russian VCI site. What's PM? And did you get my email? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 A PM is the "Private message" option of this board, click on the ""x" New Messages" on top ight, that is what it is... as for your email, I answered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 (edited) By the way, which board are we talking about? Can someone PM me with the info, if that's fine? It's the Turkey.com discussion forum, I presume. History section. please type: www(dot)turkey(dot)com/forums/ EDIT:I'd rather not link directly to that site from here, Thanks! Edited February 19, 2004 by vava Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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