Sasun Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Well, fair enough with your reasoning. However, what is the point of my questioning? You didn't answer my question about your statement on all but 2 religions having to do with freemasons Don't worry, I have many more questions to ask as soon as you give answers :B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Hey Anonymouse, are you the one who wrote those? I didn't read them all, cos obviously I don't have the time to... just curious. who is number one? lol, what do you mean? <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Well, fair enough with your reasoning. However, what is the point of my questioning? You didn't answer my question about your statement on all but 2 religions having to do with freemasons Don't worry, I have many more questions to ask as soon as you give answers :B I don't know about that, it just seems like an unsubstantiated assertion until you read further into it. Here is a link to a recommended reading list I have put together so that you may become more familiar with the topic. Recommended Reading. Now please be aware that there is not a whole lot of time left to awaken to these issues. We have almost run out of time folks. We have the created hegelian panic associated with the Y2k millenium glitch. We have martial law contingency plans to deal with Y2k chaos already announced in Britain, France, Canada, and the United States. A global economic crisis is in full swing despite what the mainline media is saying. United Nations socialistic legislation is being passed at an astonishing rate. The global economic crisis will most likely lead to armed conflict on a large scale and when all this begins to occur you will not be able to awaken anymore. Also terrorism is on the rise. This terrorism has been intentionally created and will be used as the excuse to institute gestapo tactics on the people of the world. The globalists are not going to let the opportunity to create the chaos necessary to bring about their dream. They will make use of every opportunity with which they are able. Out of the chaos a reformed United Nations will most likely be called for with stronger powers and it will be sold to the public as being necessary in order to prevent future chaos. The sheople of the world will buy into the New World Order not realising that the people offering this solution are the same people who created the chaos in the first place. WAKE UP! "Ordo Ab Chao", latin phrase meaning 'Order Out Of Chaos' and is the motto of the 33rd degree of the Masonic Lodge "Those who wish to be ignorant and free, believe in something that never was and never shall be." Thomas Jefferson Selected References:- For a list of primary source proofs of the plan to form a socialist one world government please follow this link:- Primary Evidence. Primary verification is essential for making a strong case on the above information. Economics....The Fed: Our Central Bank, publication by the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago; The Creature From Jekyll Island, by G. Edward Griffin, Appleton, WI: American Opinion Publishing, Inc., 1994; Economic Rationalism: A Disaster for Australia, by Graham Strachan, Kalgoorlie Press, 1997; Globalisation: The Demise of the Australian Nation, by Graham Strachan, Applause Press, 1998; The Planned Destruction of America, by Dr. James W. Wardner, Longwood Communications, 1993. Occult Influence....Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, by Albert G. Mackey, McClure Publishing Co. 1917; Morals and Dogma, by Albert Pike, Reprinted by Kessinger Publishing 1995; The Temple and the Lodge, by Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh, Arcade Publishing, 1989; The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail, by Baigent, Leigh, and Lincoln, Book Club Associates, 1982; The Messianic Legacy, by Baigent, Leigh, and Lincoln, Corgi Books, 1987; Bloodline of the Holy Grail, by Laurence Gardner, Element Books, 1996; The Secret Teachings of All Ages, by Manly P. Hall, Philosophical Research Society, 1926; Unseen Forces, by Manly P. Hall, Philosophical Research Society, 1978; Legenda of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, by Albert Pike, Southern Jurisdiction U.S.A; The Obelisk and Freemasonry, by John Weisse, 1880; The Builders, by Joseph Newton, George Allen & Unwin Ltd; The Rosicrucians, by Hargrave Jennings. republished by Health Research, 1966; The Teachings of Osiris, by H.C.Randall-Stevens, The Order of the Knights Templars of Aquaris Jersey, 1970; The Book of Truth by H.C.Randall-Stevens, The Order of the Knights Templars of Aquaris Jersey, 1976; The Tree of Life: A Study in Magic, by Israel Regardie, Samuel Weiser Inc., 1972; Masonry: Beyond the Light, by William Schnoebelen, Chick Publications, 1991; The Encyclopedia of the Occult, by Lewis Spence, Bracken Books, 1998; Hitler and the Age of Horus, by Gerald Suster, Sphere Books Ltd, 1981; Circle of Intigue, by Texe Marrs, Living Truth Publishers, 1995; The Brotherhood, by Stephen Knight, Panther Books, 1985; Inside the Brotherhood, by Martin Short, Grafton Books, 1989; Proofs of a Conspiracy, by John Robinson, Americanist Classics, Reprinted 1967 originally in 1798; Behold a Pale Horse, by William Cooper, Light Technology Publishing, 1991; Mystery Babylon Series, by William Cooper, 1993; Video Lecture Material on Conspiracy View of History and Secret Societies, by Ralph Epperson; The Golden Dawn: An Encyclopedia of Practical Occultism, by Israel Regardie, Llewell Publications, 1982; Problems of Humanity, by Alice A. Bailey, Lucis Publishing Company, 1964; A Treatise on Cosmic Fire, by Alice A. Bailey, Lucis Trust, 1962; The Kybalion: Hermetic Philosophy, by Three Initiates, Yogi Publication Society, Masonic Temple Chicago, 1912. Propoganda and Mind Control....The Nazi Years, by Joachim Remak, Prentice-Hall Inc. 1969; Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars, Operations Research Technical Manual TM-SW7905.1, 1979; Britons Translation of the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Sion, (note that the Protocols is not a Jewish document, it is in an illuminist document. It was written in a seemingly Jewish form so as to decieve, the content alone though bears such a close resemblence to todays reality to ignore this document would be foolish); Report From Iron Mountain, by Leonard C. Lewin (claiment author), 1967; Virtual Government: CIA Mind Control Operations in America, by Alex Constantine, Feral House, 1997; New Lies For Old, by Anatoly Golitsyn, Dodd, Mead and Co. 1984; One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, by V.I. Lenin, Foreign Languages Press, english translation 1976; The Strategy of Deception: A study in world-wide Communist tactics, by J. Kirkpatrick, Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 1963; Various writings of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Krushchev; Brainwashing: Synthesis of the Russian Textbook on Psychopolitics, edited by Charles Stickley, 1955; Brave New Schools, by Berit Kjos, Harvest House Publishers, 1995; Your Endangered Mind, Robert.A.Hermann, 1994; Mind Control in America (audiotape), by Steven Jacobson, MCiA Media, 1991. Politics and History....Global Tyranny...Step By Step, By William Jasper, Western Islands, 1992; Treason: The New World Order, by Gurudus, Cassandra Press, 1996; En Route To Global Occupation, by Gary H. Kah, Huntington House Publishers, 1992; None Dare Call it a Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham, Amereon House, 1976; Global Bondage: The U.N. Plan to Rule the World, by Cliff Kincaid, Huntington House Publishers, 1995; The Law, by Fredric Bastiat, 1850; Big Brother: Australia's growing web of surveillence, by Simon Davies, Simon and Schuster Publishing, 1992; Rooted in Secrecy, by Coxsedge, Coldicutt, and Harant, Published by the Committee for the Abolition of Political Police, 1982; Australia Betrayed, by Campbell and Uhlmann, Foundation Press, 1995; New Worlds For Old: A Plain Account of Modern Socialism, H.G.Wells, Constable and Company, 1908; Manifesto of the Communist Party, by Marx and Engels, Progress Publishers, 1969; Freedom From War: The United States Program for General and Complete Disarmament in a Peaceful World, Department of State Publication 7277, Washington, D.C., U.S. Government Printing Office, 1961; Interlocking Subversion in Government Departments, Report of the Subcommitee to Investigate the Administration of the Internal Security Act and Other Internal Security Laws to the Commitee of the Judiciary, United States Senate, 83rd Congress, 1st Session, July 30, 1953; Declaration of a Global Ethic, by the Parliament of World Religions under the United Nations, 1993; Our Global Neighbourhood, by the Commission on Global Governance, 1993; Charter of the United Nations; various other United Nations and related documents; The Unseen Hand, by Ralph Epperson, Publius Press, 1985; Tragedy and Hope, by Carrol Quigley, New York: MacMillan, 1966; The Anglo-American Establishment, by Carrol Quigley, New York, Books in Focus, 1981; A History of the Ancient World, by Chester G. Starr, Oxford University Press, 1991; A Collins History of the World in the Twentieth Century, by J Grenville, HarperCollins, 1994; The Cambridge Modern History, Lord Acton LL.D, Cambridge University Press, 1904. Evolution....Evolution Disproved Series (3vols), by Vance Ferrel, Pilgrims Books, 1992; Carolina Bays, Mima Mounds, Submarine Canyons and Other Topographical Phenonoma (A Catalog of Geological Anomalies, compiled by William Corliss, The Source Book Project, 1988; Anomalies in Geology: Physical, Chemical, Biological (a Catalog of Geological Anomalies), compiled by William Corliss, The Source Book Project, 1989; Difficulties of the Evolution Theory, by Douglas Dewar, Edward Arnold and Co, 1931; Evolution, by Colin Patterson, University of Queensland Press, 1978; The Origin of Humankind (pro-evolution), by Richard Leakey (pro-evolution) , Phoenix, 1995; In the Beginning: The Birth of the Living Universe (pro-evolution), by John Gribbon, Penguin Books, 1993; Evolution: A Theory In Crisis, by Michael Denton, Adler and Adler, 1986; Reinventing Darwinism: The Great Evolutionary Debate (pro-evolution), by Niles Eldredge, Phoenix Giant, 1995; Defeating Darwinism by Opening Minds, by Philip Johnson, Intervarsity Press, 1997. http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/awaken/index.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 I don't know about that, it just seems like an unsubstantiated assertion until you read further into it. Anon, do you know the answer? If yes I would like to hear it, if not then I am not going to read all the references - sorry, I don't have time for that. I am pretty sure Mohammed was an illiterate sheepherd when he established Islam and had nothing to do with this secretive Mystery Religion that has been allegedly practiced by pathetic snobs called freemasons. I am sure Sidhartha had nothing to do with masons either since he was meditating in the forest until he became the Buddha and established Buddhism. Same goes with Hinduism although there is less certainty of its origins since it is so old but the oldest known Hindu scriptures, the Vedas, have nothing to do with freemasons and secret societies. Are you following my line of thinking? I thought that you had written the posts in italic and were copy/pasting from somewhere else. Seems like those are written by someone else, or am I wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 (edited) Anon, do you know the answer? If yes I would like to hear it, if not then I am not going to read all the references - sorry, I don't have time for that. I am pretty sure Mohammed was an illiterate sheepherd when he established Islam and had nothing to do with this secretive Mystery Religion that has been allegedly practiced by pathetic snobs called freemasons. I am sure Sidhartha had nothing to do with masons either since he was meditating in the forest until he became the Buddha and established Buddhism. Same goes with Hinduism although there is less certainty of its origins since it is so old but the oldest known Hindu scriptures, the Vedas, have nothing to do with freemasons and secret societies. Are you following my line of thinking? I thought that you had written the posts in italic and were copy/pasting from somewhere else. Seems like those are written by someone else, or am I wrong? I dont know if I have the exact answer, but close to it, and I cannot go into it, it is a whole new debate unto its own, but all I can tell you is to try to purchase the book by the reknowned Freemason, Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma". Edited January 30, 2004 by Anonymouse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Perhaps this link to amazon.com about the book and the readers' reviews might help. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/078...2815359-0839930 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Perhaps this link to amazon.com about the book and the readers' reviews might help. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/078...2815359-0839930 Hmm... $125 for that? It might help if I was given this book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Hmm... $125 for that? It might help if I was given this book I have it if you want to borrow it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 (edited) I have it if you want to borrow it. How many pages is it? Well, I don't think you would be happy if I borrowed the book and kept it for a few years in the que But I do appreciate the offer. Actually, there are used or paperback versions of this book for cheaper. I have so many books lined up to be read that I am sure I wouldn't read it now if had it. So I may buy and keep until it is time to read. I don't know much about freemasonry. Edited January 30, 2004 by Sasun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axel Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 lol, what do you mean? <_< http://www.retroweb.com/prisoner.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Damn that seems really interesting! Any way to get a hold of that? Videos, or DVDs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axel Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Damn that seems really interesting! Any way to get a hold of that? Videos, or DVDs? see the links on the front page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Yeah Axel (#6), Sev Marde et al - I have the whole series on DVD..and before that on video (Beta even!)...am a long time fan..great stuff....so much (very cool stuff) most of you young folks are completely unaware of...pity... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Yeah Axel (#6), Sev Marde et al - I have the whole series on DVD..and before that on video (Beta even!)...am a long time fan..great stuff....so much (very cool stuff) most of you young folks are completely unaware of...pity... Nerd! How sad that a TV program that was written to experiment with, and break, the formulaic C-follows-B-follows-A narritive-based content of most TV programs is now reduced to that level, while the same old drivel goes on being produced for TV and film. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 I thought to share this picture of a masonic lodge around where I pass by everyday. I was surprised to find it the first time since all I had heard before was they are secret, invisible, etc... hmm it's open for public one day a week, maybe I should go and find out what the heck they are talking about. http://s93760412.onlinehome.us/pics/lodge_web_large.JPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 hey anon, I read the posts you have in italics, ill just make a couple points: Obviously I cant disprove all the stuff said about this secret religion, basically whatever he/she deems is secret, cannot be disproved . BUT I have almost finished my finance major and do have some idea to the workings of the global/national finance system: I can say that some of the authors allegations dont make sense (ie. would not work) in this matter and it is rather abvious that he/she is no expert in the subject. In terms of finances it really seems like a bunch of mishmash and half-baked ideas. More telling are the authors references to Australia and in particular the One Nation Party. The leaders of One Nation have the intellectual capacity equavalent to the abo in gurgens avatar - their ONLY policy was simply to cut immigration - that pretty much summed-up that party, certainly nothing to do with combatting globalisation as the author alleges. From these I can pretty much conclude that at best the whole thing is a 'half-truth'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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