Sip Posted December 20, 2003 Report Share Posted December 20, 2003 What could Armenia ever offer me that the US can't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 What could Armenia ever offer me that the US can't? Well Sip...speaking of materialism...LOL....I would say that perhaps your without a clue for/about other things.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph parikian Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 (edited) Armo77, what is YOUR problem??? I believe we all said congrats to her -- a little bit of general criticism or expression of opinion is not necessarily "rain on the parade"... Do you have to oppose everything I say? YOU are the one who's turning this thread into an argument thread... ONE MORE TIME: GROW UP!!! And if you don't like what people say on here, get lost. It's not up to you to decide what people should and should not say or think. TALK ABOUT IDIOCY. In my opinion the only time any one have the right to tell any one to get lost is when he she is in his or hers property I dont understand how any Armenian asks another Armenian to get lost from this " HYE-FORUM " The name " HYE-FORUM SAYES IT ALL " it belongs to every HYE ' like it or not In all my quarrels with America-Hye i never used the term ' get lost ' even when he said to me we dont want you here and orderd me to go back to my old country Quoted from Dan ( It's not up to you to decide what people should and should not say or think ) Thank's now we are talking Edited December 21, 2003 by joseph parikian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 THOTH -- yeah, living in U.S.A. and hating the white Americans (... living in U.S.A and hating queer people... what core values are you talking about? eh? Â And Sip, wow... what COULD Armenia offer you that U.S.A doesn't? Is that ALL it's about? And you're talking about national pride? ............... never mind.... ok! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 I dont understand how any Armenian asks another Armenian to get lost from this " HYE-FORUM " I am talking about someone who brings personal anger and hatred into general discussions and attacks me for absolutely no reason at all. He is acting like a pest. So I treat him like one. I'm still wondering why none of the moderators have told him to stop acting like that.. YET. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 THOTH -- yeah, living in U.S.A. and hating the white Americans (... living in U.S.A and hating queer people... what core values are you talking about? eh?  And Sip, wow... what COULD Armenia offer you that U.S.A doesn't? Is that ALL it's about? And you're talking about national pride? ............... never mind.... ok! Where in our core values do you find hatred? There are always people who hate others etc - and yahoos & bigots and what not - (seems like you might have some problems in Armenian too - eh Dan?) - but these are not at all the core values I'm speaking of - of course. At least here ethnic hatreds are not causing folks to kill one another. And there are legal protections for most any minority or otherwise. and so on and so forth...And most importantly - everyone is accountable - no one is above the law - including the governemnt. (sure perhaps the ideal - but pretty much the case)...and individual and property rights are respected. But I suppose life living in your folks basement is pretty much the same wherever you live... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 At least here ethnic hatreds are not causing folks to kill one another. Right. And I suppose those cops who beat up that black guy weren't caught on a cam... ok... Â no one is above the law - including the governemnt. Uhuh... right. Â But I suppose life living in your folks basement is pretty much the same wherever you live... What are you talking about? ... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 I'm still wondering why none of the moderators have told him to stop acting like that.. YET. Danny:Â Dan, Armo, please stop you guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armo77 Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 anoushik, hope to meet one day at an Armenian party.. Again good to have you here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted December 21, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 Wow, I didn't know this thread would turn into such a controversy... Thank you everyone to congratulate me. Thoth, thank you. You described exactly how I feel. Dan, of course I'll be more proud to become Armenian citizen. I was born in Armenia and spent my childhood there (whatever childhood I could have in Gyumri after the earthquake) but my family left Armenia ten years ago and we lived in Germany, Sweden, and five years ago won the Green Card lottery and came to the U.S. We lost our passport in Germany (it was Soviet and should be replaced anyway) but now finally we'll be able to obtain a new passport and visit Armenia after ten long years. What can I say - it's Armenian fate to wander around the world and at the same time be heartbroken about Armenia. I think you all can relate to that. But why do I feel proud to be a new U.S. citizen? It is because of the ideology that the United States is created on. Never mind current politics. Like Thoth said, maybe naturalized citizens understand this better and feel the most proud than anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armo77 Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 Wow, I didn't know this thread would turn into such a controversy... I did before I even opened the thread for the first time.. I would like to apologize on the others behalf. Sometimes we can be full of Hatred. Rather than wishing the best they attempt to make you feel bad. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted December 21, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 No Armo, you don't have to apologize. I understand the others' concern. But I'm afraid they didn't really understand why anyone should be happy to become a U.S. citizen. Also, I know Armenians and our character. I am not at all upset - in the contrary I am very happy to see that a lot of people participated in this and expressed their opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armo77 Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 Yeah I would just hate for an Armenian to bring down another Armenian's pride... It is my biggest Pet-peeve. I am sure you will be a successful part of the Armenian-American community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted December 21, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 Anoushik -Â I'm very happy for you (even better then a birthday - this pretty much is only going to happen to you once in your life). What a story you have. Please - write it all down oneday - and soon. This is something you should pass on to your children. Again - I feel very happy for you - a big day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 congrats anoushik jan ....aaaah, when will tata become a u.s. citizen so that i can go to more of his concerts??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 And Sip, wow... what COULD Armenia offer you that U.S.A doesn't? Is that ALL it's about? And you're talking about national pride? ............... never mind.... ok! I didn't really understand what you and Thoth were trying to say. The question still remains ... what can a "republic of Armenia" offer to me than the US can't? If you want me to rephrase in other ways ... why would I look forward or long for becoming the "citizen of Armenia" as opposed to being a US citizen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 Sip, people are counting their chicks before they're hatched. You have to go and see for yourself if you like it before you decide such. It is likely that there is something Armenia has to offer, at least for some people. Raffi Kojian lives in Armenia half the time. In your case, the one thing I can think of would be good and healthy food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahumyan Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 the reason i made my comment is because ive seen people go to USA, think its great, then they cant get a 1 week break to go on holiday, and they have to work 10 hours a day....if u are happy to be a member of such a society, i feel sorry for u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 five years ago won the Green Card lottery haha, good stuff.. actually, I applied for that this year... Â why does it take so long to get U.S. citizenship? it doesn't take THAT long to get Canadian citizenship............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 And why do you think those people who can't get vacation and work 10, 12, 16 hours a day don't just get up and move to Sweden for instance? I just keep wondering why do more people come to the US than leave if it is SUCH a horrible place and they have no workers rights or anything? And forget Armenians I am talking in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 haha, good stuff.. actually, I applied for that this year... Â why does it take so long to get U.S. citizenship? it doesn't take THAT long to get Canadian citizenship............. because we are more special. hehehe. just kidding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 the reason i made my comment is because ive seen people go to USA, think its great, then they cant get a 1 week break to go on holiday, and they have to work 10 hours a day....if u are happy to be a member of such a society, i feel sorry for u I am sorry! Did you read anywhere people succeeded to better their lives by sitting on the couch and drinking beer and reading about socialism! Come on get over the pretentiousness. I hardly have time to paint or have money to go exotic places but I am not complaining! This is what freedom is about. You make whatever you can out of your life instead of some shitty idea of some system presetting it on a silver platter. This country is about making it! People work their asses off because they have a chance to enjoy rest of their lives and not feeling sorry for themselves. Enough said! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted December 21, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 Well said, Armat. Shahumyan, I lived in Sweden for two and a half years.  First, if you're going to live outside your own country you better live in a country that's not nationalist. And the only countries thus would mean the U.S., Canada, and Australia. In European countries people over there hate you no matter who you are. In school and sometimes on the streets we were called "svartskalle", meaning black skull. It's considered to be a very offensive term. But that's not to say the Swedes are bad people. They are just tired of seeing immigrants coming to their country. After all, they are the ones who pay the very high taxes so the immigrants can get all the welfare benefits. (We actually befriended some excellent Swedish families and still keep in touch with postcards after five years!) Second, in a socialist country the life is very boring. Did you know that Sweden has the highest suicide rates among other developed countries? Imagine that you know no matter what you do, whether you work or not or don't even study, the government is going to take care of you? After just one year of employment, if you lose your job you will get 80% of that income from the government for the rest of you life. So you know you're safe in terms of not being homeless, but what kind of life is that? There is nothing to look forward too that's why people kill themselves. After a while in a country like that you begin to lose your identity and start to question your purpose in life.  Also, even if Sweden, or a country like Sweden that's a socialist country and no one is considered poor by Armenian standards, most of the people consider themselved to be lower-middle class. It's really hard to advance to higher income. The taxes are huge and the income is not much. And everything is very expensive - clothing, cars, etc. So next time Shahumyan, I suggest you do a bit research (or more research in your case) before you come and tell people you should feel sorry for them to live in the U.S. Like I said before, I am very proud to be a citizen of the United States. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted December 21, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 Oh, I forgot to say that most people choose to work all their lifes instead of getting welfare from the government, but the problem is that Sweden has a very high rate of unemployment. Everyone dreams of finding a decent job so that's why a lot of Swedish themselves come to the U.S. to work. Now, why would they do that if they could get free money from the government? Hmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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