Armat Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 That is just it! I just took a while to read several books about AG. And it all seemed clear, not only that, but i read history books on the subject. I have just come out of reading. And want to discuss it with Armenians. But it seems you yourselves are learning half the truth. Heik please tell us the titles of the books you read. One is probablyThe Banality of Indifference: Zionism and the Armenian Genocide by Yair Auron right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiggyWiggy Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 No I have not read that... But it is on my to read list... I read that 40 Days of Musa Dagh. and Forgotten Fire... and the other ones...ill find right now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 this is all that you have to say for our nation ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 No I have not read that... But it is on my to read list... I read that 40 Days of Musa Dagh. and Forgotten Fire... and the other ones...ill find right now... Heik you got busted!!!Don't go to gogol looking for titles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiggyWiggy Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 Alright you caught me Lol. You are good, Armat. MosJan, Well that was in brief. Because he is going to sleep. Good night Armo! Have a great nights sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahumyan Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 The funny thing is Armenia is LESS independent than pre-1991, not so much funny, sickening Now we have to dance to the tune of the EU, USA capitalists, Russian capitalists, the IMF, WTO, Iranian capitalists (eg having to give back Iranians to Iran if they commit a crime in Armenia) and worst of all is the people having to dance to the tune of the Armenian capitalists Had the dashnaks been there instead of the communists Armenia would have been crushed, and even if it didnt, the state of Armenia would be like one big village Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiggyWiggy Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 Shahumyan. Lol. I know what you are saying. Armenia would not exist if the Dashnaks had their way, I believe they would have rather surrendered to the Turkish forces rather than become Communist. Not realising that the Red Army was just around to corner, ready to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armo77 Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Armenia would not exist if the Dashnaks had their way, I believe they would have rather surrendered to the Turkish forces rather than become Communist. Common now think LOGICALLY! If they surrendered to the Turkish Army, they would have been killed or forced into Islam.. And YOU would be having to praying to the east numerous times a day because if it.. Do you seriously think our ancestors that died would have chose to convert to Islam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiggyWiggy Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 You know what Armo? I am tired of you bashing on me! You do not even read my posts, just jump to conclusions. I am against what the Dashnaks did...and if I could have cursed and not gotten band I would do so right now! So please...do not jump to conclusions, you are older, and I respect that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahumyan Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 So in conclusion are we more? or less independent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxSipanxX Posted December 5, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 Listen im a metal drummer here in Los Angeles. Im not from russia. I was there last summer and they are a lot like us. Your right i am crushing Armenian Americans because they all give the Armenians from Armenia a bad name. Dont beleive me? Go to Armenia. Ask the people, just like I did. Or else your being pampered here in the United States with your rich fathers money. Hah, how can you call yourself an AMERICAN. Just because we were BORN here or we LIVE here? Cmon now, you guys must be joking. THe true Armenians are not in LEBANON, or IRAN or GLENDALE. They are in ARMENIA. The Armenian Girls here in America are joke, 30 years old already and most of them dont know how to cook. Most of them dress like their going to a club when they come to church. This is sick shit, and its AMERICAN. A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N. You guys have to look at what was going on back then and whats going on now. OH SO ARMENIA IS FREE NOW. Free with prostitution, theft, hunger, and pain. That to me sucks and i dont want ANYTHING to do with freedom. Just as long as my people are well kept and have a job im happy. But right now you must be blind if you dont think that somethings wrong. "oh but its getting better there". Really is it? From what year to what? Weve gone back 100 years after our republic fell. We went to war when we should have thought about our economy. We as armenians SUCK at governing. Weve always needed to be with a bigger UNION or EMPIRE just so we can be there. Persia, Russia, Rome, Greece, and unfortunately for those in the WEST... Turkey. Im not a horrible guy im just seeing shit in this country thats pretty disgusting. So im sorry but calling yourself an AMERICAN ARMENIAN is just SORRY period. Its a shame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxSipanxX Posted December 5, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 (edited) SORRY I FORGOT TO ADD SOMETHING.... The armenian guys here are just as bad as the girls, the thinking process of a 30 year old armenian male here is equivalent to a 16 year old male in Yerevan. Sad but True. Were all spoiled here. ALL OF US. EVEN ME. AND I HATE IT. i wish i grew up poor and in the streets just so i can have much more knowledge and experience than i do now. Im not saying the Soviet Union was perfect. But it had MUCH BETTER morals than todays ARMENIA and of course AMERICA. But again every country has better morale than the USA. Edited December 5, 2003 by XxSipanxX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 xxSipanxx ... THIS is what I think of your last two posts. Their level of crappitude is sooooo much, that I don't even know where to begin. But again every country has better morale than the USA. http://armenians.com/forum/style_images/1/icon8.gif Go to Armenia. Ask the people http://armenians.com/forum/style_images/1/icon8.gif... and of course those people know what is really going on in America as opposed to the ones who are actually here? So im sorry but calling yourself an AMERICAN ARMENIAN is just SORRY period http://armenians.com/forum/style_images/1/icon8.gif I rather be a "sorry" American Armenian than ANYTHING else in this world right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxSipanxX Posted December 5, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 go ahead your free to say what you feel. but its time for the truth, its time for us to stop and look in the mirror and ask ourselves who we REALLY are. and who THEY really are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 xxSipanxx - I'm sorry that you have such a narrow view of things... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiggyWiggy Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 SIPANS! I AM AT TOTAL SUPPORT FOR YOU! WHATEVER YOU WANT, MONEY GUNS WOMEN DRUGS...i dont got, but if u need em, preety sure i can find it somewhere... You are thinking like me, I like that... I like to add! Children here (such as myself) do not have a childhood! my life has been nothing but TV and COmputers , the American way. My father tells me of stories of how he played in the streets... You will get hurt if you go out in our streets...It is sickening (i know i like it, but it is wrong) to see 15 yr old girls wearing clothes a prostitute would wear. I know girls who have had their 2nd child already! This is what Armenians are in America...crap crap crap... The majority anyway...The good Armenians keep quiet of their roots, and show it in their work, rather than on their car... GOD BLESS THE WORLD THAT DOESNT HAVE ANYTHING! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 GOD BLESS THE WORLD THAT DOESNT HAVE ANYTHING! What does that even mean? Why don't you throw your computer and TV out the window? Or better yet, why don't you donate it to some poor kid in Armenian who would LOVE to be in your place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 You people are SO spoiled. It's really a shame - instead of THANKING your parents, and elders for bringing you here: - where you have the freedom to study & get yourselves education - where you have a high standard of healthcare - where you can walk down tree-lined streets to grocery to buy strawberries in January - where you live in beautiful 3000 sq ft + homes, with pools and double (or triple) garages - where YOU HAVE NO WORRIES - no secert police suddenly taken your father away - no threat of war or conscription - no famine or rampant disease All you see are 15 year old dressing 'like sluts' ??? THAT's your big problem? Get real!!! Who the hell are you to categorize someone as a slut anyway?? : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiggyWiggy Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 hey vava...america may be good but its where armenians, the people who are 3500 yrs old! to be erased. Secret police? i have never heard of such a case in the soviet union... stop being dillusional vava... and i believe when your ass is open to the public, and your breasts are just a bounce away from popping out of your small shirt, that makes you a good person... that quote, you cant judge a book by its cover, is not true at all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 Great post vava! here here! Whats with these kids anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiggyWiggy Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 THOTH... I know you are jewish man, this entire forum is filled with Jews. There is no armenian quality left... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 Your a laugh Piggy...and very predicatable...no...thats too easy a fall back...you really must do better then that.... Oh and Shalome to you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 1st - I'm not refering necessarily to the USSRl, or Russia, but the hundreds of other places you could be rather than here (maybe you should go live somewhere else for a while, it'll open your eyes a bit.) 2nd - fashion trends come and go - the way people dress has no relation to their upbringing, their ethics, or their values. Don't judge so quickly... Now, about the jew thing - what's the matter? Are you afraid of jews? What's your issue with them? You keep bringing it up... you kind of seem paranoid. There are jews EVERYWHERE!!! let's run for cover and hide!! huh? Piggy? C'mon. Get a life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 1st - I'm not refering necessarily to the USSRl, or Russia As much as I think Piggy shouldnt be taken seriously, I dont like the USSR bashing on this thread. Comparing 70s USSR and USA: - where you have the freedom to study & get yourselves educationSame in USSR and it was FREE! - where you have a high standard of healthcareSame in USSR and it was FREE! - where you can walk down tree-lined streets to grocery to buy strawberries in JanuaryI doubt your could buy straberries in January in US in the 70s, but the fact that the US always had a more consumer orientated economy is a given - where you live in beautiful 3000 sq ft + homes, with pools and double (or triple) garagesSoviet cities were more like European ones ie. real estate was at a premium, nevertheless many still managed to have a 'dacha' (country estate) - where YOU HAVE NO WORRIES - no secert police suddenly taken your father awayYou didnt have to worry about the secret police unless you were involved in something against the state - which is fair enough - no threat of war or conscription Yes USSR had conscription, the period and intensity of which was more than halved if you managed to make it to university. No threat of war? I believe during the Cold War period the US was involved in many more conflics both overtly and covertly and as a consequence lost many more men. - no famine or rampant disease there was no such thing in the USSR after World War 2. ....just a few points cleared up I hope. Im not a big fan of the USSR, just playing the devils advocate in this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 You comrads should wake up and realize that dreaming of "USSR" is living in the past. It was a nice try but it was a total failure so get used to it and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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