Takoush Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Lol. My infatuation with that novel began in early high school years. And the recent popularity of the book has to do with the fact that Oprah made it one of her book club picks last year. So housewives across America started debating amongst themselves... to cheat or not to cheat.... Cheating will only get you in misery and mostly in trouble with God!!!! It is in the TEN Commandments that who who cheats will break God's rules and will be in trouble with God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Em Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Cheating will only get you in misery and mostly in trouble with God!!!! It is in the TEN Commandments that who who cheats will break God's rules and will be in trouble with God. I would think first and foremost, it'd get you into trouble with your spouse... I know what the Bible says about infidelity, yet regardless of what I believe, I do not judge. Each person walks his/her own path and answers for his/her actions and choices. If you are not familiar with the novel, one of it's central themes is one woman's choice to "obey her heart' and go with her lover and subsequently lose her son, her marriage and status in society... You should definelty read it. I highly recommend it. I am sure you will find that it reaffirms your belief that cheating is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 I would think first and foremost, it'd get you into trouble with your spouse... I know what the Bible says about infidelity, yet regardless of what I believe, I do not judge. Each person walks his/her own path and answers for his/her actions and choices. If you are not familiar with the novel, one of it's central themes is one woman's choice to "obey her heart' and go with her lover and subsequently lose her son, her marriage and status in society... You should definelty read it. I highly recommend it. I am sure you will find that it reaffirms your belief that cheating is wrong. Not only it would get you into trouble with your spouse, but in God's eyes you are deceiving and disobeying Him and His rules, and God's judgement is far worse than our judgement towards one another, as God's punishment may take into forms and shapes such as losing not only your spouse but perhaps your loved one or your health, etc. Yes we cannot and should not judge each other, you are right in that; because it should not be our business. Sometimes we could judge other people when they could be innocent and we may judge them unjustifiably and ruin their life with their spouses, their status in society and their good names and that would be very fatal to them; especially when they didn't do anything in the first place or the second place. Yes I am aware of the novel. The novel is a sheer drama. Very sad ending. And yes Anna Karenina really gets her bad luck or God's judgement in the end. It is a very sad ending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Em Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 God is not very relevant to this story. THe ending happened becuase it happened. It is about actions and consequences. It’s about personal demons and being able to live in your own skin for certain choices that you make. All things come to an end. She made the choice to give herself to her feelings, to live and indulge in the novelty of the relationship. She was suffocating in her marriage, she chose to give up everything she had for the man she loved, but he rebuffed her. So she chose to end her life. His “betrayal”of her -in choosing to follow the rules of society and his mother drove her to the edge. Mind you, her decision was not about her God (and failing him), nor the loss of her son or what society thought of her. The only sad aspect of the story is that she did not see what was coming. The passionate beginnings of such couplings dies down. The magic fades. And reality rears it’s ugly head. So it ended, as all great love stories end...not in “happily ever after”... but that’s okay. The happily ever after would have been boring, and tedious and very “suffocating”. If you had a choice to experience the extraordinary brilliance of the light even for a short fleeting period of time, would you go for it? Of would you opt to live in the safety of the routine, the right way of living? I just have to reiterate that, for me, God does not have to be the reason to do or not to do something. Sometimes, it just comes down to whether you can live and carry on in your own skin... Never mind... I cannot ramble on any longer.. I hope you get what I was trying to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 (edited) Oh yes of course I did get the gist of what you were trying to say. But I was talking in general about God's rules and the perils of not following it. No of course not, God was not relevant to the story. It never really crossed her mind or maybe it did, but she didn't care about it; rather she plunged in head on with her passions. Her passions of love and to be loved by a handsome young man when she had it lacking in her own marriage, when her husband was cold, matter of fact and older unpassionate man and was actually her opposite in many ways. Though in the great majority of couples the passion dies eventually and the routine of living takes its place; but there are in some very minority cases that the passion never dies between couples and they continuously work at it also and they make it work for always that the initial passions wouldn't and doesn't die. Usually I think that that extraordinary brilliance of the light happends to extraordinarily beautiful and special women who are either very beautiful and/or are able to allure men in general. Edited December 21, 2007 by Anahid Takouhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 God is not very relevant to this story. THe ending happened becuase it happened. It is about actions and consequences. It’s about personal demons and being able to live in your own skin for certain choices that you make. All things come to an end. She made the choice to give herself to her feelings, to live and indulge in the novelty of the relationship. She was suffocating in her marriage, she chose to give up everything she had for the man she loved, but he rebuffed her. So she chose to end her life. His “betrayal”of her -in choosing to follow the rules of society and his mother drove her to the edge. Mind you, her decision was not about her God (and failing him), nor the loss of her son or what society thought of her. The only sad aspect of the story is that she did not see what was coming. The passionate beginnings of such couplings dies down. The magic fades. And reality rears it’s ugly head. So it ended, as all great love stories end...not in “happily ever after”... but that’s okay. The happily ever after would have been boring, and tedious and very “suffocating”. Excellent analysis Em Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 ... but there are in some very minority cases that the passion never dies between couples and they continuously work at it also and they make it work for always that the initial passions wouldn't and doesn't die. Yes, and thus Tolstoy also wrote about Kitty and Levin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Yes I am aware of the novel. The novel is a sheer drama. Very sad ending. And yes Anna Karenina really gets her bad luck or God's judgement in the end. It is a very sad ending. Have you read Anna Karenina, Anahid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Unfortunately, did not find much worth posting here. You can check youtube... let me know if you find anything. I knew of this one clip - the end of "Anna Karenina" - for some months now but today also found . I've wanted to see the Soviet version for a long time but haven't been able to find it. I called a Russian bookstore over the summer and it turned out that he had it on video, but unfortunately without any subtitles and I'm pretty sure the video was of bad quality as well. I saw the American version, with Greta Garbo, last month and completely hated it. They'd turned this masterpiece into a cheap love story and completely omitted Levin's story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balaclava Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Lol. My infatuation with that novel began in early high school years. And the recent popularity of the book has to do with the fact that Oprah made it one of her book club picks last year. So housewives across America started debating amongst themselves... to cheat or not to cheat.... hahahahaha is that's so!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balaclava Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Du el karda Anushik jan, es el ban u gorts chunem, kakoy ni buyt' Anna Karenina kardam... vabshe rusakan patmvatsqner@ chem sirum... et iranc balalayki dzen@ tesoghutyans vra azduma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Anushik jan, es el ban u gorts chunem, kakoy ni buyt' Anna Karenina kardam... vabshe rusakan patmvatsqner@ chem sirum... et iranc balalayki dzen@ tesoghutyans vra azduma Sxalvum es, Hakop jan, sxalvum Rusakan grakanutyun@ hoyakap e yev shat kshahes vorpes mard vor du kardas ayd grakanutyun@. Isk vor asum es ches sirum, petq e hartsnem te inch es kardatsel vor ches sirum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balaclava Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Sxalvum es, Hakop jan, sxalvum Rusakan grakanutyun@ hoyakap e yev shat kshahes vorpes mard vor du kardas ayd grakanutyun@. Isk vor asum es ches sirum, petq e hartsnem te inch es kardatsel vor ches sirum? es chem sxalvum---erbeq grqer el chem kardum---mek mek grum em grqer---ory mek lav e inch em durs talis es gisherva kesin... mi girq download areci, gnam kardam.. rerum britaniccarum medii aevi scriptores Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashot Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Bayts inch hetaqerqire vor amena shate axchiknernen zhamanak tramadrum girq kardalu vra, isk menq tghaneres naxentrumenq aveli shat humorner kartal internetov, yev HyeForum-ov zbaghvel, grel, kardal, artasanel, websitener irar ugharkel, nkarner!!! Che ban chem asum, proste hetaqerqira!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 God is not very relevant to this story. THe ending happened becuase it happened. It is about actions and consequences. It's about personal demons and being able to live in your own skin for certain choices that you make. All things come to an end. She made the choice to give herself to her feelings, to live and indulge in the novelty of the relationship. She was suffocating in her marriage, she chose to give up everything she had for the man she loved, but he rebuffed her. So she chose to end her life. His "betrayal"of her -in choosing to follow the rules of society and his mother drove her to the edge. Mind you, her decision was not about her God (and failing him), nor the loss of her son or what society thought of her. The only sad aspect of the story is that she did not see what was coming. The passionate beginnings of such couplings dies down. The magic fades. And reality rears it's ugly head. So it ended, as all great love stories end...not in "happily ever after"... but that's okay. The happily ever after would have been boring, and tedious and very "suffocating". If you had a choice to experience the extraordinary brilliance of the light even for a short fleeting period of time, would you go for it? Of would you opt to live in the safety of the routine, the right way of living? I just have to reiterate that, for me, God does not have to be the reason to do or not to do something. Sometimes, it just comes down to whether you can live and carry on in your own skin... Never mind... I cannot ramble on any longer.. I hope you get what I was trying to say. Incidentally the relativity with God and God's rules/wraths that I have mentioned earlier was mostly to do in reference to your post that from recent popularity of the Anna Karenina's book that had to do with the fact that Oprah made it one of her book club picks last year and so you remembered that housewives across America started debating amongst themselves... to cheat or not to cheat... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Mushegh Galshoyan, "Maruta Sari Amper@"... Մարութա Սարի Ամպերը Պատմվածք... "Սերը հայրենիքի նկատմամբ, կարոտը հող ու ջրի, լեռների գլխին ծագող արեգակի, լեռներով չվող ամպերի: Այս բոլորն են ծնունդ տվել "Մարութա սարի ամպերը" ժողովածուին: Հերոսները գերազանցապես տարեց մարդիկ են, որ իրենց կյանքի իմաստնությամբ են հաստատում հեղինակի արծարծված գաղափարները" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nané Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 (edited) Կարդում եմ Սերգեյ Գալոյանի «Պարույր Սևակ. Զուտ Սովետական Սպանություն» գիրքը: Հեղինակը նախաբանում պախարակում է նրանց, ովքեր Սևակի մասին գրում են իրենց անձը կարևորելով: Իսկ ի՞նքը ինչի համար է գրում ... չես հասկանում: Գրում է «եթե մեջբերումներ եմ արել, ապա՝ ամբողջությամբ, ոչ թե գրքի ծավալ ապահովելու, այլ կեղծիքից խուսափելու համար»: Իրեն ապահովագրել է և անցել արտատպման «քրտնաջան» աշխատանքին ... և այսպիսով լցրել 2 հատոր: Վերնագիրը կարդալով մտածում ես որ պիտի ծանոթանաս Պ.Ս.-ի սպանության հանգամանքներին: Եվ ի՞նչ եք կարծում ... սպանության մասին խոսվում է առաջին հատորի մի քանի տասնյակ էջերում (և ոչ մի նոր տեսակետ, այլ այն ամենը ինչ արդեն կարդացել են ուրիշ գրքերում): Իսկ երկրորդը հատորը կարելի է ասել գրեթե կապ չունի Սևակի հետ: Այ քեզ խայտառակություն: Սևակագրությունը կարծես մեր օրերի ամենից շատ շահարկվող «ապրանքն» է: Գիտեն, որ Սևակի անունը գնորդ է ապահովելու ... Իսկական չարչինե՛ր ... Edited June 25, 2008 by Nané Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 Mushegh Galshoyan, "Maruta Sari Amper@"... Մարութա Սարի Ամպերը Պատմվածք... "Սերը հայրենիքի նկատմամբ, կարոտը հող ու ջրի, լեռների գլխին ծագող արեգակի, լեռներով չվող ամպերի: Այս բոլորն են ծնունդ տվել "Մարութա սարի ամպերը" ժողովածուին: Հերոսները գերազանցապես տարեց մարդիկ են, որ իրենց կյանքի իմաստնությամբ են հաստատում հեղինակի արծարծված գաղափարները" iyd g@rqum mi shat hetaqrqir hatvats ka - motavorapes iyspes " mets rus qeru s@vin@ k@piyli marutaki gagatin, rus@ k@ga, rus@ k@hasni, menq k@haxtenq verchum.... che verchum k@hardi yevropakan neng qaghaqakanutyun@ yev storutyun@..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nané Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 And? Who's reading what nowdays? I really don't get the chance to read as much as I would like to but I still manage (during lunch, after dinner, on weekends). I really look forward to not having to work for a while and just reading. Maybe, one day. Anyhow, I am currently reading a few books: The Secret by Rhonda Byrne The daring young man on the flying trapeze (collection of short stories) by William SaroyanՄուրացանի ՊատմվածքներըLarousse Gastronomique by Librairie Larousse (jumping from one entry to another as I explore a topic) and you guys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Em Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 I have discovered poetry and spiritual writing by Rumi and Hafiz. (Muslim/ Persian & Turkish). I have become obsessed with finding as much translated material of theirs as I can. I have begun a few different novels since the beginning of the year, yet I do not have time to devote to them. I cannot forgo the few hours of sleep I do get. I just read articles on the internet instead of working. BTW, thanx to you and by means of borrowing it from Ani, I read The Bastard of Istanbul and loved it. I have taken an interest in Shafak. She may be in the L.A. area in late January. I'd like to meet her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 i did Outliers few months back by Malcolm Gladwell and found it to be such an excellent book that I practically made all my employees read it as well. I have read Blink as well as The Tipping Point and they are exceptional books as well and highly recommend them to anyone looking to be inspired... He has a new book that i just ordered and plan to read it on the way to St Thomas and back in 2 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nané Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 i did Outliers few months back by Malcolm Gladwell and found it to be such an excellent book that I practically made all my employees read it as well. You reminded me of Piaf I remember reading (in Aznavour's biography I think) that when Piaf liked a movie she would make her whole entourage sit through numerous showings of the same movie (whether they liked it or not). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 ... that I practically made all my employees read it as well. You actually give them HOMEWORK?!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 its for their own good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louise Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 I am reading "The Cursed Years " by Yervant Odian. It is in English, and has not yet been published in French, but I was so eager toread it, because an Armenian from Istanbul wrote to me that Yervant Odian had met my grandfather and his family during the deportation.I thought that would give me some information about them, but he only saw them twice and writes: I met Misag effendi and his wife and threechildren (my father was the eldest, he was 14 or 15 years old). I was a little disappointed.But after, I read in my father'diary that when he was in Getronagan in Constantinople, he had a school friend named Hagop whosebenefactor was Yervant Odian. I remembered when Odian was in an orphanage he wanted to adopt one of the children, all wanted to be hisgodson, he choosed Hagop. After the war, Hagop went to getronagan too, Y. Odian had given a room to him, and my father when hecame back too late to the orphanage, used to sleep in that room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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