Armo77 Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 I never knew there were other Armenian endings They used to be.. But that was LONG LONG AGO... Not even sure exactly how long ago. but 95% of MODERN armenian last names are either "ian" or "yan". Its a good way to identify eachother beings we all look so different and unique. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 Way to be knowledgable man, I dig that. At least ya'll got names, tell me where you find the name Jennings in ancient Afro-Carribean family trees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hye_Acher Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 I never knew there were other Armenian endings Mashtots, Sevak, Bekunts, Varujan, Hayants, Shiraz, Nova, Khorenatsi and etc… just few examples of Armenian last names that do not have IAN/YAN… my last name also ends with IAN… No offence……. but some people as mentioned when there grandparents or who ever changed their last name years ago………. have no excuse in this day and age continue having the “changed” last name… that’s my personal view…. Good Day!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 (edited) Bones I too find that funny and strange. I was at a wedding about 6 months ago and one of the guests had brought a baby and one of the elder ladies inside the church said "MashAlah lave metatsela". And if I am not mistaken Mashalat is turkish for "something Allah". It just struck me really weird that they would praise allah in armenian church. Ma'asha'allah is supposed to mean "as Allah willed" in Arabic (not Turkish) and is said when one is wishing well-being, fortune, prosperity, etc., on someone, more like wishing them safety from evil, I think. Also, Arab Christians call God, Allah, because grammatically it means The God ("al ilah") and is not a proper noun. Something I learned altogether recently! Edited January 6, 2004 by Stormig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 Mashallah is Arabic, "ma sha' Allah". It literraly mean "Astvats mi arastse", "God forbid". It is used in a partial context to mean "God forbid that something bad to happen". As to using Allah in a Christian church, go to Armenian church in Istanbul and see what word they use to describe Astvats in their sermons delivered in the Turkish language, or a Christian church where the language is Arabic. Allah is a common noun now whereas before Islam it was yhe proper name of a specific deity just as Astvas used to be yhe proper name of an Armenian (main)god and now it is a common noun to mean God, anybody's God be it Christian Moslem or other. Oops, sorry, I hadn't seen this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 Hmmmmm, I can't decide which transliteration of the word is correct - ma'asha'allah (that's what it sounds in that one song with the Arab lady and the Spanish guy) or maashaa'allah? http://www.alislam.org/books/pathwaytoparadise/ch5-15.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 Exactly. Ironically the two phrases are antitheses of sach other, they are both based on the middle syllable "sha'", to will. Whereas insha'Allah means God willing, the other, in a twisted way means "may God not will" (that something bad happen), with the negative "ma" priefix it is almost like rubbing ones' vorik when a compliment is given so as to propect from evil eye. In other words when one says "mashallah inch siroun erekha e" , it actually means "God forbid" that something bad happens to this beautiful baby. I thought the negating prefix was na-. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armine3773 Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 (edited) Some Armenians look at my last name and know that I'm Armenian. The people that do have my last name are all Armenians that also changed their last name. It's not a Russian last name. When I go to college, I'll probably end up changing it to my real last name with the -IAN ending. Edited January 24, 2004 by Armine3773 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 I have 2 last names (the joys of having stubborn parents ahhh) on my passport, with a dash between them... The Armenian one ends with -ian, but a lot of people who don't know that surnames ending in -ian are Armenian ask me what kind of surname that is -- some have even asked if it was German sheesh lol... well, maybe that's because it's basically very close to a Western/European/English first name.. once I was going around during orientation week at university with a name tag and someone at one of the booths asked me if I was Slovak cos he thought that my half last name kinda resembled a Slovak name lol.. and then there are other people who just pick up the significance of the -ian right away and ask me if i'm Armenian. those are the ones who mainly have known Armenians before.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 There are a lot of Persian Jews who have added ian or yan(usually yan) to their last names so they looked more respectable in the rug industry. Because way back then Armenians were respected rug dealers/business men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Persian Jews? or Jewish Persians? Actually, there are a lot of Persians (non-Jewish) who have last names ending with -ian and -yan (e.g.: Yazdanian).. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 does it really matter if it's Persian Jews or Jewish Persians??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Well, technically yes, it does. There is a difference between race and religion. But not in this thread - it doesn't matter. Was just wondering whether you were referring to race or religion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Well darn it,you have me all confused now! (btw,total joke,please don't try and explain it to me again! ) Did you completely overlook the part about they wanting to be confused for respectable Armenian rug dealers???Jeeeeeeeeeeeeshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Did you completely overlook the part about they wanting to be confused for respectable Armenian rug dealers??? no, I didn't miss that part.. but I don't see what your point is..? I mean, I do understand why you mentioned it in the first place, but in your last post, I don't see how that's relevant to being persian jews or jewish persians... Anyhoooooow... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 okkkkk then I'm done here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armo77 Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 (edited) Actually, there are a lot of Persians (non-Jewish) who have last names ending with -ian and -yan (e.g.: Yazdanian).. Simple.. Those are Persians that somewhere in thier family tree had an Armenian. Either that or they are Barskahye. For example.. I have a Persian friend with the last name "Pouryadgrian". But swears up and down she has not one drop bit of Armenian blood.. But most likely, in her family tree, many many years ago, there was an Armenian. Edited January 24, 2004 by Armo77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Armo that's kind of hard to believe considering the extent of the ian's there. I would suspect there is another explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armo77 Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Armo that's kind of hard to believe considering the extent of the ian's there. I would suspect there is another explanation. Not really. Armenia and Iran are neighboring countries.. We Armenians used to intermix with Persians belive it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armo77 Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 For most people that dont know.. Authentic Persian last names are like "Shazadeh", "Alizadeh", ect.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 It also seems to me it's not uncommon to have the location someone is from to be their last name like Najafi, Xhomeini, Tabrizi, Yazdi, Tehrani, etc ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armo77 Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 It also seems to me it's not uncommon to have the location someone is from to be their last name like Najafi, Xhomeini, Tabrizi, Tehrani, etc ... "Baghdadlian" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armo77 Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 this last name thing can be confusing.. I am just glade that Armenians have such identafiable sur names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 i've also heard (don't know how valid this may be)...that native yerevantzees have a lot of persian as well as some turkish blood in them!?!? but i'm sure a yerevantzee would be quick to deny that... personally i don't know about the turkish part! but there was a powerful persian influence in armenia a couple of centuries ago...this can also be found in armenian literature where one can find a lot of 'armenianized persian words'...which some totally deny as being persian and argue that it was the persians who borrowed from armenians.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 i've also heard (don't know how valid this may be)...that native yerevantzees have a lot of persian as well as some turkish blood in them!?!? but i'm sure a yerevantzee would Does that mean their blood types are T and P respectively? I thought blood types were A B and O. Of course they have blood mixtures from all thei neighbors including Russian, Greek etc. I have said this before, when some of us bend out of shape to prove that we have Jewish blood, we forget that we have had longer and more extensive contact with our neighbors, be they Turks or Persians. However, regardless what their/our blood type or color is, and Armenian is he/she who professes to be one. Turks have more Armenian blood in them, be it by natural contact or forced conversion but as long as they don't profess to be Armenian they are NOT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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