Armenians Without Ian Last Names....

[Armo77]

Why is it everyone here has some animosity against Barskahye? We just happen to be Armenians born in Iran.. Can't choose where you are born. <_<

[sev-mard]

I LOVE 'a' Barskahye and am definately cool with ya'll.

 

I mean I speak hayaren with a barskahye accent, what's not to love!

[sev-mard]

Never heard of Russahyes. Armenians lliving in Russia even do not call themselves Russian Armenians but Armenians from Russia.

They don't? In the parking lot of my office there is a black 740il with the plate "Rusahye"

[Armo77]

See Sev, by reading your Personal text under your avatar I laughed my ass off.. Then I thought.. "Armenians hate everyone... Even Armenians" (As you can see). So dont feel bad bro.

[sev-mard]

Yeah that's kind of wild message on my part. No trying to be an ass or nothing you know, just clowning with it. Be light hearted. Hyes on this board are cool. I've cruised some other boards trying to study hayaren, and cats were haters, so that sig wouldnt' fly at all. I did say in another post somwhere that I thought sevs hated the most, on others, on each other, but armos are definately tied for 1st now, if not leading by a landslide.

 

But we can be cool because of that, commonality in our groups hating on everyone else.

[Anonymouse]

I hate you all and I hope you all die by invasion of fire ants in your sleep.

[Harut]

NOT!!!

 

Baghdadlian is not Armenian(surname). Neither is Sivaslian etc.

IAN (alone, inherently just by itself)does not an Armenian name make.

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i agree with this.

i mean, why does having 'ian/yan' ending with foreign stem any better than having armenian stem with foreign ending???

 

zhamkochov vs. ghasaboghlian

[hyebruin]

Why is it everyone here has some animosity against Barskahye? We just happen to be Armenians born in Iran.. Can't choose where you are born. <_<

i defintiely don't feel that way and never did!!! everyone here has been cool to me!

[Azat]

i defintiely don't feel that way and never did!!! everyone here has been cool to me!

That's because you are you Bruinchick. But we all make fun of Sip. heheheh

 

just kidding you guys. I have no problem with any Armenians except those who are from Mar(read Domino here)

[ED]

here is an interesting artical about/origins of IAN ending.

 

THOSE STRANGE SOUNDING ARMENIAN FAMILY NAMES

Have you ever thought about the meaning of "ian"? Most Armenian names end in "ian" or "yan," meaning the "son of ," but some Diaspora Armenians have changed these endings to blend in their host societies. Today in Turkey "oglu" often replaces "ian," while Russian Armenians may change the endings to "ov"; e.g., Gary Kasparov, Serge Parajanov. A name ending in "ian" is not always exclusively Armenian, since the ending can also be occasionally found in names in Irish, Persian, English, Philippine and some other cultures.

Armenian last names generally fall into five specific categories: Aristocracy, Parent, Geography, Occupation or Trait.

 

Aristocracy

The ancient Armenian aristocracy ("Nakharar" class) was derived from Parthian-Persian stock and many of their names ended in "uni" or "ooni." Most of these families were destroyed over the centuries but some still survive today; e.g., Sasuni, Rshtuni.

 

Parent

Many Armenian names are derived from the first names of an ancestor,; e.g., Davidian, "son of David," Stepanian, "son of Stepan," or Krikorian, "son of Krikor/Grigor." Until the 19th century, virtually all first names had a religious origin, so most of those last names are also religious.

 

Geography

Some last names are based on geographic origin and end in "lian" (Turkish) or "tsian" (Armenian). Typical examples are Sivaslian "from Sivas," Urfalian "from Urfa" and Vanetzian "from Van." These names were typically given to an immigrant who migrated from a different region of Armenia. Obviously everyone living in Marash would not call himself or herself "Marashlian".

 

Occupation

Most last names were taken from the professions of an ancestor. These names frequently originated with the tax collectors who needed to identify all individuals for tax purposes. Typical examples are Najarian "son of a carpenter," Arabian "son of a wagon/ teamster," and Vosgarichian "son of a goldsmith." Many of these occupations are not Armenian, since the tax man (typically a Moslem Turk, Persian, Arab, etc.) would use his own native word for the occupation; e.g., the name Boyajian is based on the Arab/Turkish term "boyaji" "one who dyes."

 

Trait

The most confusing and curious names are those based on some trait of an ancestor. Typical examples are Topalian “son of the cripple,” Dilsizian “son of the tongueless one,” or Sinanian “son of the spearpoint.” Many of the origins of these names are unclear unless one understands the original context. As an example, Dilsizian indicates that an ancestor had his tongue cut out by the Turks for using the Armenian language, while the term “Sinan” was a slang term applied to somebody either with a very erect military-like carriage or who was “hung like a horse.” Some of these traits are not physical, but rather reflect personality or social status; e.g., Melikian “son of the king” or Harutunian “son of the resurrection.” The name Harutunian could be based on an ancestor named Harutune (so-named because he was born around Eastertime), or adopted by a convert to Protestantism to show his status as a “born-again Christian.”

 

Many last names today have been shortened or modified to aid pronunciations by non-Armenians; e.g., the name "Mugerditchian/ Mkrtichian" becomes "Mugar," "Husseniglian," becomes "Hewsen," and "Samourkashian" becomes "Samour." These abbreviated names often drop the "ian" ending, and are not immediately identifiable as being Armenian to an outsider.

 

The name categories of Occupation and Trait can differ significantly between Eastern Armenians and Western Armenians, since the eastern names often have Persian, Georgian or Russian roots, while the western names may have Turkish, Arab, or Greek roots. Names with the prefix "Der" or "Ter" show that one of the ancestors was a "Der Hayr" (a married parish priest), a position of great social status among Armenians; e.g., DerBedrosian, Ter Petrosian.

 

The study of Armenian Names is a fascinating exercise, since virtually every aspect of the culture is reflected in names. There have been extensive studies of Armenian names in the Armenian language, but little has appeared in English and many Armenians (born outside of Armenia) do not understand the significance of their own names.

 

 

http://www.armenianheritage.com/faname.htm

[Anonymouse]

Hmmm, it don't answer what Demirjian is. That blows.

[Stormig]

Blacksmithian.

[Anonymouse]

Blacksmithian.

Gee thanks, I guess my ancestors were blacksmiths, that would explain my HUGE hands.

[sev-mard]

Big hands huh? Guess that counts for something?

[Anonymouse]

Big hands huh? Guess that counts for something?

I'm a two ton man-mountain who could palm a medicine ball with my huge hangs.

 

And I also have an IQ that would otherwise make me suicidal

[sev-mard]

I'm a two ton man-mountain who could palm a medicine ball with my huge hangs.

 

And I also have an IQ that would otherwise make me suicidal

Well I'm a god amongst mortals, science and magic combined.

 

With an IQ that doesn't fall under mortal scales, so it's expressed as a sound.

[Anonymouse]

Meet my agent of death.

 

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000Z6X2E.01-A2X3FMBNSRPS6U.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[Anaheet]

I don't have a IAN name either. And quite honestly I really don't mind. I like the flexibility of being able to "hide" my Armenianess when I want to. Among Armenians I usually add the -an to avoid confusion, even though this is more often than not unnecessary.

My last name ends in -ian. Most Americans don't know what that means. I'm always pleased when somebody figures it out on their own.

 

Of course, every so often I'll run across a Persian name that ends in -ian (Case in point: Parvizian). That always throws me off.

 

I want my last name to sound as Armenian as possible, personally! Actually a lot of Armenians don't recognize my last name. It's not that common. ("Baghoumian" is one spelling of it.) My family is ParskaHai, and not Muslim.

[Arpa]

I want my last name to sound as Armenian as possible, personally! Actually a lot of Armenians don't recognize my last name. It's not that common. ("Baghoumian" is one spelling of it.) My family is ParskaHai, and not Muslim.

Finally!

We have a goddess among us!

About time!

I was sick and tired of being the only deity here.

I am the sun god!

Or, in the least, from the sun god.

Read the following thread and pay special attention to the first article.

 

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=15...t=0entry61647

 

Not only you are a goddess, you are also the purest of the pure.

I'm sure you know that Anahit is supposed to have derived from the Persian ana=without and hita=blemish, pure and sacred.

 

Welcome Anaheet!

Stick around. You may even learn what Xash/khash is.

Azat may have the best recipe for it. As far as I am concerned it takes three ingredients to make xash. They are garlic, garlic and garlic. You'll see why when we write about it.

No wonder your grandmother did not make it. She did not want the police, the fire department and the environmental department to raid her house for polluting the entire block. :)

 

So, you say you would like to have an exclusively Armenian surname?

That you don't want to be confused as being Alban-ian, Indones-an or Zimbabwe-an?

Then drop the dubious -ian and consider adding -ents, -ounts, -onts, or better yet -uni to the main body.

 

See below;

 

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=75...t=0entry66022

 

And Anaheet, don't listen to waht anyone says.

Most of he boys here are descended of wolves and the girls are feline. :)

 

PS. Listen to Gamavor. He does not lie. After all he is a lawyer! Is there a law against lawyers!

Edited May 27, 2004 by Arpa

[axel]

I was sick and tired of being the only deity here.

I am the sun god!

Or, in the least, from the sun god.

 

Don't jump to conclusion too fast. My real name is that of an archangel

[Anaheet]

Finally!

We have a goddess among us!

About time!

I was sick and tired of being the only deity here.

I am the sun god!

Or, in the least, from the sun god.

 

I'm only a goddess here...in RL I'm an archangel.

 

Welcome Anaheet!

Stick around. You may even learn what Xash/khash is.

Azat may have the best recipe for it. As far as I am concerned it takes three ingredients to make xash. They are garlic, garlic and garlic. You'll see why when we write about it.

No wonder your grandmother did not make it. She did not want the police, the fire department and the environmental department to raid her house for polluting the entire block. :)

 

Uh....yum?

 

She made a lot of yogurt soup, though. And nazook, every so often.

 

So, you say you would like to have an exclusively Armenian surname?

That you don't want to be confused as being Alban-ian, Indones-an or Zimbabwe-an?

Then drop the dubious -ian and consider adding -ents, -ounts, -onts, or better yet -uni to the main body.

 

No, I'd just like my family to spell our name a different way (not the way I spelled it up there, the way they really spell it). I'd also like an actual Armenian first name in RL, but it seems a bit late to change it now.

 

And Anaheet, don't listen to waht anyone says.

Most of he boys here are descended of wolves and the girls are feline. :)

 

Sounds great!

 

 

[Saramelkonian]

Well, as you can see, I'm an "ian" Armenian. I'm told it means "blond son of Melchior" (although my family aren't particularly fair, so I don't know where the "blond" comes from).

 

I read somewhere recently (I can't remember where), that some Armenians dislike the "ian" names, as they are Turkish in origin (ie, supposedly Turks having renamed Armenians based on who their father was or where they lived). I haven't read this entire thread, but that doesn't seem to be the case here - has anyone else heard this?

Edited June 1, 2007 by Saramelkonian

[aSoldier]

I read somewhere recently (I can't remember where), that some Armenians dislike the "ian" names, as they are Turkish in origin (ie, supposedly Turks having renamed Armenians based on who their father was or where they lived). I haven't read this entire thread, but that doesn't seem to be the case here - has anyone else heard this?

Nope.

[Sassun]

I read somewhere recently (I can't remember where), that some Armenians dislike the "ian" names, as they are Turkish in origin (ie, supposedly Turks having renamed Armenians based on who their father was or where they lived). I haven't read this entire thread, but that doesn't seem to be the case here - has anyone else heard this?

I have heard this too. But I do not think it is true.

[Arpa]

Well, as you can see, I'm an "ian" Armenian. I'm told it means "blond son of Melchior" (although my family aren't particularly fair, so I don't know where the "blond" comes from).

 

I read somewhere recently (I can't remember where), that some Armenians dislike the "ian" names, as they are Turkish in origin (ie, supposedly Turks having renamed Armenians based on who their father was or where they lived). I haven't read this entire thread, but that doesn't seem to be the case here - has anyone else heard this?

Am I reading yo correctlly?

Are you sayimg that the -ian style of Armenian surnames was imposed by the Turks?

Then, how do we explain names like Mamikonian, Timaksian, Capeghian et al along with Artsruni, Amatuni of the Battle of Avarayr fame? That was well over a thousand years before anyone had heard of Turks.