hyebruin Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 ... oh just where oh where have I heard that before yeah, yeah, you're funny!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 Yeah.....thats what I'm basically after. I think this is an experience (experiment) in itself Azat (for me anyway, since I've never been in a serious relationship) and regular sex is an added bonus hmmm, why is it that you sound so strangely like some guys i've known!! i'll give you one advice that will spare you and the potential girl you'll want to make your future ex-girlfriend!! ---get to know yourself first!! be honest with yourself about what you want AND be able to trust, open up, be vulnerable, and put in some faith in the girl---not all girls are bitches, you know!--- if you cannot do or hesitate to do any of the following i can pretty much say that most likely you are DEFINITELY NOT ready for a relationship!! ---find this out about yourself before you go breaking anyone's heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 Well Harut...i feel sorry for you...(for your attitudes)...even if perhaps you do have a point...but a womens body is a temple...to be worshipped...and don't you forget it! I'm not a religeous man...but ...well...we'll leave it at that...LOL ...and its not just the body...though I was intentionally referring to such...but women in general...and yes - many are perhaps as you say...but still...women are precious and should be treated as such...(and men are generally just shits...though not all of course...) i'd love to meet a guy around my age who has this kind of ideology!!!! ~~~thoth, you just know how to say everything right!! ~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 Well 'Bruin - I must admit - talk is easy...and I have very many of the same faults as other guys (and maybe a few more)...so no one is perfect...but, I must say - I have always tried to treat women with respect and understanding. And I just can't believe the attitudes/behaviors of some/many guys...and how they can get away with it... I know that (in my youth) there have been some women who weren't interested in me because I was "too nice a guy" - and not macho/agressive or whatever - really (LOL)...well their loss in many ways (but I certainly have regrets...)...so perhaps think about it...not that I couldn't talk to gals...but yeah, perhaps I was a bit shy/didn't make all the right moves etc...so think about that...maybe your "perfect guy" (OK no such thing...but I'm talking someone who really thinks of a gal's needs and treats her right [in every possible way]...and perhap not at all bad in bed [in my case I was trained well - by an older gal who very much knew what she wanted ...etc] - well these guys are out there...they might just often be overlooked... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted September 25, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 you sound so strangely like some guys i've known!! Is it because of the bonus regular sex bit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 I was about to die of laughter of Thoth's definitions of women’s' body. Man, 90% of American women are far from being temples, or if they are the only key to the temple is MasterCard. As to the rest, they look like bunkers with their (on average) 260 Lb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 Is it because of the bonus regular sex bit? sorry dude! you totally missed my point! ask thoth, i'm sure he can translate from 'female to male' for ya ..though i think i was pretty straightforward! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 (edited) ...if they are the only key to the temple is MasterCard Good one, LOL Edited September 25, 2003 by Sasun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitterSweet Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 aww, well isn't this cute my advice, dont look toooo hard... take it as it comes... and when it comes, dont let the opportunity pass you by. As for the male/female issue of paying, I agree with hyebruin. As much as males and females say they're equal and whatnot, they're not. It is the males role to pay... ESPECIALLY when the couple are just starting to date... when you're in a relationship, it's alright if the female pays sometimes... but when you just start off dating, he should pay. I personally wouldnt go out with a guy twice if he asked me to "split the bill" or "pay this time" or whatnot... Not because I'm a "gold-digger" but because I find that to be very unattractive. It shows a lack of character... a lack of "manliness." Money shouldn't be an issue. If she's money hungry, you'll know it through the conversation you share, you dont need to have her pay the bill to see if she's into you for your money. and in all honesty, most ARMENIAN men (of which I know at least) wouldnt even allow the thought to cross their minds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 ...but a womens body is a temple...to be worshipped... but empty worshipping gets quite boring after a while. i want a blessing in return (you know what i mean). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 another point is that men are not obligated to do anything (pay, open the door, etc). if i'm doing that (and i don't that almost always) it's not because i should, but because i choose so out of my good nature. (yah, yah, a little self-praiseing). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 i, too, something (when the time allows) turn into this romantic sensual man. and start thinking that i should find a soulmate.but then i start thinking like Sip. i won't have the freedom i have. i won't be able to stay out all night without giving a long exprlanation to someone. i won't be able to go out of town with guys and not have someone call me at the time i least expect and ask the most annoying question in the world "ur es?".well, i guess i'm not ready for a serious relationship yet. but if it continues like this, i'm afriand i will never be. unless i meet someone who will completely conquire my heart and make me give up all that wonderful freedom i have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 Harut - well good luck to you to...and it ain't so bad (this loss of freedom issue...overblown I think)...and speaking of...often you do get that blessing...particualrly if you are properly worshipful at the temple...LOL And Gams..well - glad to have made your day...I don't discount what you say (about the physical condition and what have you of many gals here)...but all I can tell you is that some places where I go out ad walk around 9as i am about to do now - to get some lunch) - well I fall in love (lust perhaps...) every day! So don't tell me that there aren't plenty of women worthy etc...thats just untrue....and of course we are concentrating on the physical aspects - and there is much more then just that...but I really thik that a lot of you guys are really giving the gals a bum wrap. I know the perception of gold-digging women & such...but I think that often that is also exaggerated. Sure gals are interested in guys with money (particuialrly if they know how to lavish it one them etc)...but OK - the trappings of it all - but thats very much because of the histlry where females have been much more limited in making it on their own. I mean you try for the highest paying job you can get basically - and don't wish to live in poverty...well why would a gal want to "settle" for less then maybe she could get as well. But I still don't think that most gals consider this the #1 criteria...or at least there are very many where this isn't the main factor of interest or such (as funny as that key to the temple comment was...LOL)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 Thoth, my observations of American women are purely empirical. I hadn't had the time and luxury to explore their inner world. American women are reflection of the American society. Men want them to be beaches ( I can only enjoy that fact from a very narrow minded male perspective) and they are bitches. My views are rather objective, since the city that I live in is number one in terms of cases of obesity. It is a very serious health issue. On the other hand, without going too much into science, something is very deeply wrong with women' mentallity when it comes to looks, manners and attitude. I had a conversation the other day with one of "those". I tryed politely to point out some of the shortcomings of American women, to which she responded that she doesn't care. If not me than somebody else will "take care" of her. Unfortunatelly that is the predominant mentality and I blame solely American men for that ugly picture.You are right that there are some rare ones, whose bodies are "temples" not in terms of sound "himen", but rather beuty and elegance. I met many of those too:), but as I said all they care about is your MasterCard. Sad but very true. On a more serious note, it is not about having sex it is about very serious social problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 Gamavor - Again i don't dicount what you say...to some degree...but really - I come accross lots of women who I think are pretty together (physically, emotionaly, itellectually etc0 - at leasst o the level that I interact with them (but I'm not dating anyone at the moment -LOL - and haven't been for a long time now...). So I don't know what to say. Yeah American society has its shortcommings - and this is reflected on peoples values and what they are into/care about etc - and their perspectives on things...but there are many gals (and guys) that reject a lot of this and do have more going for them....and don't know - maybe I just know more hippie chicks or what not then you - I don't know - but I feel that I know a fair number of gals who are very grounded/down to earth and beautiful (even if not necissarily beauties per se...)....and perhaps like "Bruin - you are setting your standard for physical beauty to high (or such) and the porportion of these sorts of people who are screwed up his higher then just the normal folks...don't know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varduhi Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 I personally wouldnt go out with a guy twice if he asked me to "split the bill" or "pay this time" or whatnot... Not because I'm a "gold-digger" but because I find that to be very unattractive. It shows a lack of character... a lack of "manliness." Money shouldn't be an issue. Barev BitterSweet well said. Ev ayn tghaner voronk asum en Akhjiknel petke vjari, da tsuyts e talis inchkan CHEAP tghaner er. Bayts tsavok srti ays forumum erevum e aytpesi tghanerov ltsvats en. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 Not that I do this but if I were to pay everytime for the dinners and the movies and this and that I could just hire a prostitute because to me that it what it looks like. If a woman wants to go out with me it should not be because I am paying. I actually find the reverse very sad for women. And I too would not waste my money on a woman who feels that I should pay all the time. EQUALITY? What happened to it. I also find it interesting how fast you guys change your mind. When it comes to equal pay and equal power at work you all feel that women should be equal but when it comes to paying all of a sudden all you ladies turn into "different than men" creatures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 Hehehehe ... I was just picturing an Armenian lesbian relationship ... no one pays for anything, they both keep running into doors since neither will open ... they stand for hours in front of a car waiting for someone to unlock the doors. But then I somehow got distracted with other "images" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 Not that I do this but if I were to pay everytime for the dinners and the movies and this and that I could just hire a prostitute because to me that it what it looks like. If a woman wants to go out with me it should not be because I am paying. I actually find the reverse very sad for women. And I too would not waste my money on a woman who feels that I should pay all the time. EQUALITY? What happened to it. I also find it interesting how fast you guys change your mind. When it comes to equal pay and equal power at work you all feel that women should be equal but when it comes to paying all of a sudden all you ladies turn into "different than men" creatures. This is what they are. Prostitutes. I haven't met even one girl that would like to go out just, lets say for a walk. None. When you draw the line, its cheaper with a prostitute, thus they are professional. No emotions, no b/s. Just "business". You see how "American" I'm!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 Not that I do this but if I were to pay everytime for the dinners and the movies and this and that I could just hire a prostitute because to me that it what it looks like. If a woman wants to go out with me it should not be because I am paying. I actually find the reverse very sad for women. And I too would not waste my money on a woman who feels that I should pay all the time. EQUALITY? What happened to it. I also find it interesting how fast you guys change your mind. When it comes to equal pay and equal power at work you all feel that women should be equal but when it comes to paying all of a sudden all you ladies turn into "different than men" creatures.This is what they are. Prostitutes. I haven't met even one girl that would like to go out just, lets say for a walk. None. When you draw the line, its cheaper with a prostitute, thus they are professional. No emotions, no b/s. Just "business". You see how "American" I'm!!! boy, i thought i was a bit bitter about guys, but you guys are...??? i still feel the man should pay! it's not that the woman cannot or is incapable! i did not think like this before! but after dating a couple of guys who actually would have it no other way than for them to pay, it really appealed to me! it's being a man and taking care of things, AND they were fully aware of my sincerity to pay and that i was not just offering to be polite! though on this one trip the guy spent so much money(it was a pricey place!) that i offered/had to almost fight with him to let me pay for the excursion tickets!! and the whole trip was my idea too!! the tickets were expensive too! but i didn't mind! it's like this: i don't push them to pay, they just do and i have so much more respect for them!! and guess what? in the end, if the girl is nice and sweet, guys DO get rewarded with gifts, affection,....etc. considering he doesn't make her pay, but if she does it's her choice!! i just love that and i didn't find out 'till later in life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 Bruin it is not about paying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 Bruin jan, what lead you to believe that I was bitter? Quiet the opposite, I am sweet. Also we are not talking about forcing someone to pay. We are talking about the woman having respect to offer. If he declines that is a different story. BTW: Women get rewarded as well. It is not like the women are the only gender who buy gifts and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 Juggy, sorry completely hijacked your topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 In the recent 20 centuries women were very succesful in fooling men that sex is something that only men are hungry for. Thanks to Al Gore (and Internet) that misconception is history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted September 26, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 Juggy, sorry completely hijacked your topic. I dont mind....pretty interesting discussion.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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