Guest Posted June 3, 2001 Report Share Posted June 3, 2001 quote:Originally posted by naira:I'm flattered, circassian.Actually, I think of asking you to invite me for your delicious culinary experimentations.I'm so timide and fragile.I cannot dare to do that first! Dear Naira Plesase consider yourself as my special dinner guest Care for a cyber-aperetif perhaps ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairakev Posted June 4, 2001 Report Share Posted June 4, 2001 quote:Originally posted by circassian:Dear Naira Plesase consider yourself as my special dinner guest Care for a cyber-aperetif perhaps ?Well, Circassian!I have parked my car already!I had a tiresome drive through one of those traffic jams, when you want to leave your bike and simply walk.You know how to find me. Get your bottle and come to my place.Yeah!Please, call before to be sure that I'm free and available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berj Posted June 4, 2001 Report Share Posted June 4, 2001 quote:Originally posted by circassian:I meant to say that in a global world the definition of the population which is based upon defensive nationalistic aspirations is bit old fashion.Those who say armenian for armenians are exactly same of those who say turkey is only for turks.(most MHP supporters by the way)Would you say the same thing if Turkey's population was 5 mln ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 4, 2001 Report Share Posted June 4, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Berj:Would you say the same thing if Turkey's population was 5 mln ?Yes .I would also advise charm offensive - but that is another subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 4, 2001 Report Share Posted June 4, 2001 Naira thank you once again for your friendly comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berj Posted June 4, 2001 Report Share Posted June 4, 2001 quote:Originally posted by circassian:Yes .I would also advise charm offensive - but that is another subject.Thank you. Armenia can't afford it now. We need to develop our economy first, deal with the regional crisis and collect some population. When it'll be 10-15 mln. we will surely think about it.Regarding the another subject - I surrender the dimond to you, enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 4, 2001 Report Share Posted June 4, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Berj:Thank you. Armenia can't afford it now. We need to develop our economy first, deal with the regional crisis and collect some population. When it'll be 10-15 mln. we will surely think about it.Regarding the another subject - I surrender the dimond to you, enjoy.I disagree with all due respect. Diamond ? What Diamond ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted June 4, 2001 Report Share Posted June 4, 2001 RUSSIAN FRONTIER GUARDS DETAINED A TURKISH CITIZEN "SEEKING BETTER LIFE" IN ARMENIA Snark4 June 2001 YEREVAN A Turkish citizen, residing in Ismir gubernia (district), was detained June 1 by the Russian frontier guards of Gumry detachment of the Federal Border Service of Russia deployed in Armenia, the head of the press office of the detachment, sub-colonel Ivan Zhirenko told a SNARK correspondent. The 52-year old violator was detained with active participation of local population. As it became known, he was trying to cross the border seeking "better life in Armenia". According to the order, the National Security Ministry of Armenia investigates the case. The identity of the violator is being clarified. Noteworthy that it was the fifth attempt to cross the border of Armenia. The first three violators (Kurds by nationality) were detained in January 2001 and the forth one was taken in Zvartnots international airport in April, 2001. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berj Posted June 5, 2001 Report Share Posted June 5, 2001 quote:Originally posted by circassian:I disagree with all due respect. Diamond ? What Diamond ?I respectfully take your disagreement into consideration, but by my right of the citizen of Armenia I will urge my Government to keep the proportions fixed in a way that Armenians always form the dominant majority of the population of Armenia.What diamond? What charm then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted June 5, 2001 Report Share Posted June 5, 2001 quote:Originally posted by naira:"Armenia for Armenians" stuff folks always existed in Armenia, Harut.This are the same people who in France say "France for French, in Russia they say "Russia for Russians in Germany they say Germany for Germans.In every country I lived or I'll live I'll always say. France is mine, Germany is mine, Russia is mine, Armenia is mine. Common now take this all from me, you dick-heads, skin-head!Do you understand what I mean, Harut.I sincerely hope you do. We have some little fascists in Armenia and that's a big victory. Arms will never be fascists. Remember this! Because there will be Armenians like me who will say to them "**** you! Armenia is for all"[ June 03, 2001: Message edited by: naira ]Exactly! Superbe...magnificit! well said... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted June 5, 2001 Report Share Posted June 5, 2001 quote:Originally posted by naira:We have already lots of American armenophiles with their money and skills in Armenia. I don't think they care about Armenia, at all.Shushi Paul should be resettled by azeris who left this region. I don't think that this town should be ocuupied by armenians. Azeris should return to their homes. A peaceful resolution of Nagorno-Artsax conflict must include also the resettelement of Azeris in Shushi.This is how a real multi-ethinc society should deal with all ethnic communities. Azeris are not our eternal enemies.[ June 02, 2001: Message edited by: naira ]Excellent points - I agree entirely. (basically with everything you have said so far in this thread). Armenians who fail to see this may wake up one day and find they are no more (that the world has past them by or that they have antogonized their neigbors and will pay for it - after all we are small - that will not change) - we cannot exist in a vacume - and we cannot hate indescriminatly. Sure we have our reasons to dislkie/distrust the Turks and Azeris - but we must move beyond this. They are not going away - we must learn to live as neighbors and to learn to get along as modern humans...do we really want to end up like Israel (or worse) with enemies all around and within...living in fear, watching our children being killed...and for what?[ June 05, 2001: Message edited by: THOTH ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berj Posted June 5, 2001 Report Share Posted June 5, 2001 If we could only collect as much population as Israel has collected. After all that killings, sufferings and hostile surrounding they chose to stand for their land. Good for them! Bravo, I should say. I have yet to hear a Jew say: "I'm not going to Isreal because it's not muti-ethnic.I need more Arabs there". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berj Posted June 5, 2001 Report Share Posted June 5, 2001 One of the leading Turkish politicians of the recent past said once: "If Armenians want Karabagh, give it to them, give Nakhichevan too, give everything they want, but do not start a fight with them. In 15 years or so these lands will be Azeri". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted June 5, 2001 Report Share Posted June 5, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Berj:If we could only collect as much population as Israel has collected. After all that killings, sufferings and hostile surrounding they chose to stand for their land. Good for them! Bravo, I should say. I have yet to hear a Jew say: "I'm not going to Isreal because it's not muti-ethnic.I need more Arabs there".Well this is much of the problem - Zionism had no place for the Arabs - for which Palestine was also their homeland. If the Israeli's could abandon their apartheid like approach to non-Jews and become inclusive they would only benefit. As it stands they are a doomed nation. No nation so small can last forever in the face of such continued and determined opposition. And as you hint in your post concerning Karabagh and Natchevian - demographics are against them. I have also met a number of Jews who now live in the States as Israel was just not a great place to raise a family - due to the violence and for other reasons. I understand why you admire the Israelis - and I admire them as well and feel good for what they have achieved for their people...but at what cost? It is long past time that they politically diversify and abandon the Zionist principals. If they do not soon, IMO - it will soon be too late for them. The Arabs aren't just throwing rocks anymore...soon it will be much much more than that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berj Posted June 5, 2001 Report Share Posted June 5, 2001 Every nation which has the gutts to have state must be nationalistic at some point in its development. You can change the demography by opposing to it with your brains. That's how Israelis have done it. No nation that small can survive...? The first group of Americans which arrived to America filled 1 ship. And at first they were nationalistic, even racist... In 1960-1970 lot of people destined Israel to death. It crashed 4 Arab states simulataniously, is alive and kicking. As long as there is oil in the Middle East, Isreal will exist, though it will be a tough existence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berj Posted June 6, 2001 Report Share Posted June 6, 2001 AZG Daily #103 - 06/06/2001DiasporaUS-ARMENIAN FAILS TO OPEN HOTEL IN VAN Turkish Ashkam newspaper informs that US-Armenian Victor Petoyan triedto open a hotel in Van, but he didn't succeed in it for he didn't havea right of living in van, and, moreover, according to the newspaper,"had a secret thought of naming it "Vardan", which means ‘victory'". The initiative of Victor Petoyan caused big noise in Van, and the licensegiven to him by tourism ministry of Turkey was invalidated. The policegave Petoyan only one day so that the new owner of the hotel vacatesit. Petoyan said that he'll apply to court, but Van's merchants insistedin their turn that Petoyan came to Van not to trade or make investments,but for "some other reasons". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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