The earthquake of 1988, a conspiracy?

[Karine]

Soviet Conspiracy Against Armenia in 1988

 

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The Eye Witness Story

The Insider Info-What Was Not Told

Sources:Anushavan Manyan & Louys Periodical #98,December 7-13 issue, p.3-5

 

 

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The Eye Witness Story

Part 1

In 1988, December 8, 7:45am, me and my younger brother came to Spitak from Yerevan to find our relatives, who were living in Spitak ( the eppicenter of the Armenian "Earthquake" of 1988.) There we found out that along with our many relatives who died of that "Earthquake" my brother's wife was one of them. Even the monumental gates of the city Spitak (which were known to be strongly built) were collapsed into ruins. In the ruins was the whole Northern portion of the Armenian Republic. Nevertles it is worth to mention that the "Earthquake" was pre-planned and artificially created to which we came in conclusion based on the events that occured before the "Earthquake" of December 7,1988.

1ST EVIDENCE: When Japaneece rescuers came to Adler airport (Russia) on their way to Armenian Earthquake Zone, they were not allowed to enter Armenian Republic by the Soviet gov't in Moscow.

 

Japaneese rescuers were known to be the most technically advanced in the field of seismology, and therefore with their superior equipments they would of been able to detect the presence of un-natural biological agents in the air. So as a result they were not allowed to enter Armenia by the Soviet gov't of Moscow, and therefore they had no choice but to return back to Japan.

 

Fortunatelly, Japaneese rescuers had managed to send their equipments into the Disaster Zone before their arrival to the Adler Airport (Russia). Furthermore, In those days, in Spitak there were functioning emergency rescue teams from France, England, Germany and Italy, who warned us to use specialy medicated masks and bondanges used to be wrapped around our mouths and noses, which they were using already, since the first moment that they landed in Armenia. Those of us who were there in the Disaster Zone using their equipments already knew of "Earthquake's" un-natural cause.

 

This proved the precense of biological agents in the air, which meant that air in Armenia, especially in the Disaster Zone was contaminated, which never occurs as a result of natural earthquakes, unless chemical facilities were damaged as a direct result of the event.

 

2ND EVIDENCE:On the night of December 6th and morning of December 7th, from the city of Lvov (Ukraine), a special group of 400 Soviet soldiers were brought in to Yerevan, Armenia. Exactrly 45min. after the "Earthquake", on December 7th, those 400 special soldiers trained to guard military prisons and strategic facilities in emergency cituations were relocated to Spitak, and put on guard around all gov't buildings and facilities through out the Disaster Zone in Spitak. When they were asked by common people when were they told to arrive, they said that: a day before the Earthquake, on December 6th, once in Yerevan, they were told of their relocation to Spitak, for December 7th and so they did the following morning.

 

3RD EVIDENCE: In the winter of 1988, prior to December 7th, in the northern part of Armenia, in the area around Spitak, there were many Azerys living, especially in the villages of Saral and Khursale. As the Kharabagh Movement was gaining momentum, Azery inhabitants begged their local Armenian authorities to secure their habitation in those areas, saying that they were ready even to change their religion to Christianity, just to remain there, on their property. But before the tragic day of December 7th, on December 5th, the Azery gov't of Baku sent gov't cars and buses to the area, where they forcefully packed them with Azery villagers and drove them back to Baku,Azerbaijany republic. In one day, a few thousands of Azeries were removed from their villages by the Azery gov't. The next day, on December 6th, over four thousands of Armenians moved into those villages to settle in there. On the December 7th, half of those resettling Armenians perished due to the disaster.

 

On December 10th, 1988, at 9:30a.m. I went to the information center of the rescue teams working in Spitak, to meet its gov't official in charge Norik Muradyan, who was also the head of the Spitak's regional gov't. On my way to there, half way past, I got surrounded by the Soviet military troops located in that area, who ordered to everybody in the wisinity to get off the main road. They blocked all the entrances to the downtown Spitak. I was dressed at that moment in a Soviet military uniform, since I was a reserve officer within soviet Army, but off duty, so as a result, one Russian officer of that group told me to join them in guarding line, where everybody were aweighting for someone to drive in. Ten minutes later, in the city's downtown appeared Soviet President Gorbachev, with his wife and gov't entrounage following him on foot, who just emerged from their gov't cars.

 

They were headed toward the command center of the Soviet rescue teams operating in Spitak and its visinity. That day, Gorbachev was escorted by his gov't officials: Nikolay Rishkov, Slyunov and Secretary of the Armenia's Communist Party Suren Harutounyan with his officials from the Armenian gov't. As i was standing there in the military guard-line along with another Russians officer, Gorbachev aproached me and said: "Did you see what happened?". I, as I had nothing else to fear about (most of my family and relatives, over all 65 people were already dead as a result of this "Earthquake") replyed: "You know well what have happened. You, as well as mysylf know the true secret behind this disaster. Let the God be the judge for it, but let us talk about the fact that it is already the 4th day, where a whole nation of great people is subject to a big disaster in all mighty USSR, and nobody wants to think about it like it was supposed to happen. We, Armenians are Christian people and therefore cannot be burried without coffins. You have done so much damage already, at least do care about providing enough coffins to burry all these people".

 

Our conversation lasted about 20 minutes, yet no newspaper in the Soviet Union despite many journalists being present at that moment wrote anything about this conversation, not even showed a picture of this incident. I also told Gorbachev that if such "Earthquake" as they called it have taken place in Turkey, Soviet Union would of rushed to help them, just to show the world how humane Soviet Union was. But to us, Armenians, no immediate help was shown by the Soviet gov't, only neighboring Georgians rushed in to help us, while the rest of the Soviet republics was weighting for the order to come from the Moscow, before they do so. After all what i said, Gorbachev didn't respond to me. But the next day, many thousands of coffins arrived to Armenia. That...he managed to organize.

 

 

What Was Not Told

In the mountains of Bazum (North Armenia, nier by the city Spitak), which was the epicenter of the "Earthquake", there were located inter-continental nuclear-balistic missles of the Soviet Union. They were kept in their underground silos, whose "push" button was inter-connected with other "push" buttons of Soviet nuclear missles through out the Soviet Union. The key to the main "push" button of this nuclear missles was kept in Moscow, in the hands of the Soviet President.

 

The main enemy of the USSR was supposedly considered to be NATO, who had similar nuclear missles command-control system and nuclear missles enveloping the borders of USSR, based in NATO's allied countries. But the most dangerous NATO base was and is considered by Russia to be located in Turkey, where NATO also has its ground forces capable of taking over the Caucasian highland within minutes. Thus opening their way toward the Russian mainland. The reasons for such worry by Russians are the rail-road Kars-Gumry and high-way connecting Turkey and Armenia. Possibility of fast NATO ground troops advancement into Russia through the territory of Caucasia was seriously considered by the Soviet military establishment, therefore ways were found to cover such weaknes of the Soviet's Southern Flank.

 

It was known that the total amounth of the Soviet's nuclear weapons was enough destroy half of the world 26 times, while the nuclear arsenal under NATO command was enough to destroy half of the world 24 times. In case of war, 15 minutes was enough for the nuclear missles launched by the NATO to reach their targets through out the Soviet Union. But nuclear missles attack by NATO from its bases in Turkey could hit their targets within seconds. So one of the ways that Soviet military establishment tried to re-inforce its nuclear leverage against NATO was attempted deployment of nuclear missles in Kuba, which Soviet president Krushev did, by almost triggering a nuclear confrontation with the United States, which could of ignited a WW-3, nuclear holocaust of the whole world. This operation was carried out with Fidel Castro's cooperation and approval.

 

The tensions over Kuban missle crisis were watered down by active involvement of Anastas Mikoyan on behalf of the negotiating Soviet party. When Soviet submarines left American territorial waters, a political coope was carried out within Soviet Union's gov't, which ousted Nikite Krushev frim his powers. After the Kuban Crisis, the nuclear competition between Soviet Union and USA continued. The power of their weapons was showed off in Vietnam, as a result of which, USSR and USA continued their nuclear race, attaining capabilities of totally anahilating each other 30 times. As a result of such nuclear competition, Soviet military establishment designed designed a strategic, post-nuclear plan, called "A Few Hours After Nuclear War", which was to be used the following way: In case of the nuclear war, both waring parties will anahilate each other which was unavoidable, and after the climax, it is only the mobile ground forces will be the ones to determine how the war will end and who won the war. USSR had no chance of saving enough ground troops to fight the war after such event, but the NATO ground troops based in Turkey, had a chance to survive and continue the war on the ground. So in order to take care of that problem, next to the underground nuclear missles silos based in the mountains of Spitak, there were located a different type of a nuclear missles, with a smaller nuclear capasity designed to propell solid ground and explode underground, thus causing an artificial Earthquake equalent to 12.0 magnitude on the Richter Scale. Such "Eathquake" was able to destroy the Kars-Gumry rail-road and their connective high-ways, blocking any advancement opportunities by NATO troops from Turkey into the region, until they could find out who is dead and who is not, how many are dead and how many are not. Such missles were possible to be used by firing them from the aircrafts.

 

About existance of such eath-quake causing missles was made known by Leonid Breshnev in his conversations with foreign leaders, where he tried to treath them into voluntarry submission to the Soviet Union. The idea of creating such weapons came to minds of the Soviet nuclear scientists during their underground nuclear experiments in Semipalatinsk (Khazakstan), where always underground nuclear explosions generated Earthquakes and major after shoks. Therefore knowledge gained from that is believed by many Armenians to have been practiced by the Soviet Union in Armenia, on December 7th, of 1988. The believed reason for this theory is the fact that the destruction of the Soviet Union was pre-arranged from its beginning, which started first by the Chernobil accident at the Chernobil nuclear power-station in Ukraine, then it was followed by the pre-arranged "Earthquake" in Armenia. Why in Armenia? Simply because the desintregation process of the Soviet Union was hoped to be carried out under controlled circumstances, which started by Gorbachev's famous Perestroyka and Glasnost reforms within the Soviet Union. But all of a sudden, unexpected to those behind the scenes, the public movements in Armenia for Democrasy and preservation of good ecological environment in Armenia started by the Armenian green party evolved into a public outburst of dissatisfaction with the Soviet system and its unjust patrition of Armenia through out the years, as a result of which Armenian territories of Kharabagh, Nakichevan and Javagkh were given to its neigbors, without Armenians's consent on it. This political and economical disatisfaction of Armenian people with the Soviet regime turned into public, mass demostrations, stikes and walk outs, done to make Soviet Union recognize Armenia's independence and re-unification of Kharabagh with Armenia. Thus, the cituation was getting out of the Soviet regime's controll, and therefore they believed that something was supposed to be done to stop Armenians from its national aspirations. Thus the nuclear disaster occured in Armenia, on December 7th, 1988.

 

Many people through out the world wer told that the "Earthquake" was only 6.8 at the epicenter, and that many buildings collapses, killing thousands some 25,000 people by the Soviet estimates (while in reality it was over 40,000 people killed) and half million of people left homeless as a result of unproperly built buildings, and use of a low quality construction materials. That was a major lie, decimated by the Soviet propaganda machine, to "blind" all those who asked how come so many people were killed, if the "Earthquake" was not that strong to cause such damage. In fact, many buildings and structures were built with top technology available in the Soviet union, using the best quality materials available at that time, yet all of them collapsed on that tragic hour. Blaming the victims with the guilt of tragedy was and is practiced method of dissinformation and public opinion manipulation carried out by the Turkish gov't to deny the facts of Armenian Genocide that took place between 1915-1923 in the Ottoman Empire.

 

But soon or later, people will find out the whole truth and documented facts about the so called Armenian "Earthquake" of 1988, no matter how hard the criminals will try to hyde it. But untill then it is worth to mention the following events that took place after the tragic disasterous moment,on December 7th, of 1988. The epicenter of the "Earthquake" was established to be located in the Spitak's mountaneous area, formerly known as Nalband, where according to the official Armenian Press report of that time, the magnitude of the "Earthquake" was 12.4 on the Richter Scale, while forgeting that the maximum number on the Richter Scale is only 12.0 Later on it was refuted. It was known that if the Earthquake magnitude was 12.0, then it would of followed by a volcanic explosion and bursting out lave, which never happened in Spitak. That shows that "Earthquake" of such magnitude didn't take place in Armenia, but it is worth to mention that all the earthquake seismograms printed by the Armenian seismographic stations were taken away by unknown security officials aproximately one hour later after the "Earthquake". Then, it was reported on Armenian gov't TV, that supposedly all the seimsmographic machines in Armenia were broken down into pieces, as a result of the "Earthquake" being to strong to handle.

 

It is also worth to mention that in 1987, the Soviet Press reprorted of only 38 nuclear missles being present on the territory of the Armenian republic. Then, when later on, between 1989-1990, the soviet troops along with their weaopons and equipments except border troops were withdrawn from Armenian republic, it was reported that only 36 units of nuclear missles were removed. The question is what happened with the other 2 nuclear missles? Besides, the Armenian "Earthquake" of 1988 was felt by having the whole ground shaken 2 times also. Was it a coicidence??? During the "Earhquake" a very loud noice was heard through out the country, even in Yerevan,which sounded like a major explosion or some type of misle/s being fired. What that noice could of been, when naturally, during true Earthquake, such noice is not heard.

 

The whole "Earthquake" desaster had very much political movivations. The whoel process of triggering the desintegration of the Soviet Union was designed to be carried out by the artificial "Kharabagh Movement", which suddenly grew in proportions and became a national-liberational struggle of Armenians against the Soviet opression and historical injustice toward Armenians, to gain independence and reunification of Artsakh (Kharabagh) with mother Armenia. The whole stuggle incorporated millions of Armenians inside the republic and abroad, starting from the kids to very old adults. Millions of Armenians through out the world got involved, and for those who started the disintegration of Soviet Union it was already to late to brake the course of history, since same events like a domino effect took hold in all other 15 Soviet Republics. The movers and shakers behind the scenes lost their controll over the events taking place in Armenia, so as a result Armenian "Earthquake" was enjineered to brake the national moral and aspirations of Armenian people for freedom, independence and reclaimation of its justly rights to its historical lands, artificially put under Azery controll (Kharabagh and Nakhichevan) in 1921-1923, by Stalin and Lenin. As a continuation of enslaving Armenian people by the powers behind the scenes, famous Armenian national leaders, political and military figures got assasinated between 1991-1996.

 

The quick presence of Michael Gorbachev in the city of Spitak, who that day was visiting USA, which he cut short to run back to Armenia was like of a behavior made by criminals, who are usually the first ones present on their crime scene, thinking that their presence will sway away the suspecion of their involvement in the crime. On that day, December 10th, during his meeting with Armenian people in Spitak, Gorbachev yelled in rage: "What kind of people are they? They still speak about Kharabagh!?", his rage was followed by an astonishing phrase, "Wasn't this enough for you!!!???"

 

In 1989, in Moscow, during the all soviet Communist Party convention, Armenian female deputy, Ludmila Haroutunyan in her speech referred to now former, then current Defense Ministr of Soviet Union, Marshal Yazov with the following questions: -"Marshal Yazov, when did you arrive to the Disaster Zone, before the EXPLOSION or after" to which Marshal Yazov replied: -"Two hours after the EXPLOSION". The whole meeting participants were shocked to hear him confirm that what took place in Armenia was not an Earthquake but a "mysterious" EXPLOSION. A couple seconds later, Marshal Yazov coming to his senses changed his previous reply and said: -"No,No, two hours after the 'Earthquake' ". To Marshal Yazov respond, deputy Ludmila Haroutounyan replied: -"How did you happen to manage coming to Spitak from Moscow in 2 hours, when first before arriving to Spitak, your plane would of made landing in Tbilisi (Georgia), or Yerevan (Armenia), before you reached Spitak and that is only in 1.5 ours later, after your landing that you could of reached Spitak !???" Obviously, the whole trip would of lasted more than 2 hours before arriving to Spitak and right there, the biggest criminal Michael Gorbachev, who was presiding over the meeting, turned off Armenian deputy's microfon, cutting her short from further quesitoning the Soviet leaders.

 

So now, what can you say Accademicians of the world, who keep insisting that what happened in Armenia, on December 7th, of 1988 was only a natural disaster ???

 

 

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Former Azeri Official Confesses in the Crimes of the Former Azeri Leadership

 

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KGB Officer Claims Azerbaijani Scientists Had Role in Tectonic Weapon Program

 

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4 May 2001

Baku Zerkalo Subslug: Interview with Akif Gasanov, former KGB intelligence officer, by R. Mirkadyrov; place and date not given: "Azerbaijanis Developed Tectonic Weapon -- And May Even Have Tested It in the FinalYears of the Soviet Union"

[FBIS Translated Text] Much has been written about tectonic weapons. Most scientists assert to this day that it is impossible at present to build such a weapon.But the secrets of the Soviet Union were best known by the KGB.

Lieutenant Colonel Akif Gasanov, professional intelligence officer in the state security service, confirms that the military-industrial complex of the former Soviet Union was actively engaged in the development of tectonic weapons in the mid-1980s.We are even more amazed to learn that Azerbaijani scientists were actively involved in this work.

 

[Mirkadyrov] Akif-Bey, how did it come about that you, an ordinary KGB operative, learned about the development of such a secret weapon?

 

[Gasanov] I became aware of this subject quite by accident in 1985. I was working in the Second Department (counterintelligence) in the linear branch of Western espionage.I needed some new assistants to "set up" foreign diplomats. We would usually select these people from among intellectuals who were of interest to the Western special services. Preferably they knew English and were able to readily establish contacts but did not in fact have access to classified information.Since ours was a linear branch, I had no servicing objectives.

 

[Mirkadyrov] For us mere mortals, could you explain what you mean by a "linear branch"?

 

[Gasanov] We conducted operations by objective and by functional area. For example, enterprises of strategic and defense significance comprised objectives for operational servicing and were run by certain divisions.At the same time, there were linear divisions that operated by functional area.For example, activities against the NATO countries, activities against currency violations, etc.

 

[Mirkadyrov]So how did you happen to come upon the developers of tectonic weapons?

 

[Gasanov]During a general sweep I conducted of operations and information aggregates, I wound up at one of the institutes of the Academy of Sciences. When entirely by chance I set up an operational site there, I saw that this elicited great displeasure from the department that was servicing this objective. But our division had higher priority, and this settled the dispute.

 

Some time later I transferred to intelligence and wound up in Moscow.Then I returned to Baku.In 1984 I continued my service in a division of NTR (Scientific-Technical Intelligence) under the direction of that ace of Azerbaijani intelligence, Colonel Shamil Kasumovich Suleymanov,who would become the NTR agent of the First Main Directorate (Intelligence) of the USSR KGB in Sweden.

 

At that time, our division was operationally servicing the intelligence line of the Academy of Sciences.I had no involvement with it, however, since I was working in a linear functional area and was engaged not in information collection,but rather in the study, cultivation, and recruitment of persons of intelligence interest.

 

One day I received a phone call from a source with whom I had worked when I was in counterintelligence at the division of the Academy of Sciences mentioned earlier.In general, it should be noted that an operative and a source often develop a relationship whereby they continue to have contacts, even many years after the operational aspect of the relationship has ended. So we met.

 

[Mirkadyrov] Is it really possible that an intelligence officer would be permitted to meet with his "sources," if that is the correct expression, after the cessation of an operational relationship?

 

[Gasanov]People are people.Basic human behavior is not alien to us.This may surprise you, but the KGB relied mainly on dealings with people in pursuing its activity.We therefore had special training in psychology and the moral-psychological traits of certain categories of people and even specific ethnic groups.The organization allocated great weight to the human factor.

 

We were obliged to meet with people if only because any dealings with them might reveal aspects affecting matters of state security.True,when we met with an active source, we had to inform the headquarters.

 

[Mirkadyrov]And what did your source tell you with respect to tectonic weapons that was so unusual?

 

[Gasanov]The information I received seemed fantastic. Certain scientists at the Academy of Sciences were working on problems associated with earthquakes.There was a certain Ikram Kerimov and a group of his associates, the most notable of whom was Dzhafar Dzhafarov, son of Khady Dzhafarov, the well known AzINEFTEKhIM [Azerbaijani Petrochemical Institute] professor.

 

Ikram Kerimov asserted that they could control and initiate earthquakes.Moreover, he said they had theoretical justification for their assertions and were attempting to obtain minimal financing in the academic sphere.In their opinion, there were grounds to believe that a number of earthquakes that had occurred recently may well have been initiated through a remote control device or accidentally triggered directional influence on the Earth's core.

 

Because of his assertions, Ikram Kerimov was considered by the Academy of Sciences to be a somewhat weird scientist,to put it mildly,and his laboratory was virtually on the brink of closure.

 

We collected materials that might prove factually relevant, then drew up and submitted our report to the center.

 

[Mirkadyrov] And what was the reaction?

 

[Gasanov]It would usually take a month or more to process information.On this occasion, however, we received a conclusion very quickly.The assessment was fairly high for internal USSR information.It was treated as intelligence information.There was an immediate request to prepare the most extensive possible analytical reference package on the material and send it to the VPK (military-industrial complex).

 

As a result of VPK study, a very high assessment was given.Scientists were then brought to Moscow to elaborate the subject matter.According to main information, an outstanding environment was created for them.They were afforded almost unlimited financing and the ability to conduct experiments.

 

Following the collapse of the Soviet Union, however, this subject area was forgotten in Azerbaijan. I never heard mention of Ikram Kerimov after that.As far as Dzhafar Dzhafarov is concerned, his name was mentioned in an article on artificial earthquakes that was published about five years ago in the newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda.The article also asserted that he had taken up permanent residence in South Africa.

 

[Mirkadyrov] What about the application of tectonic weapons?

 

[Gasanov] In the late 1980s, a series of earthquakes took place encompassing a vast territory -- from India to Central Asia. Accusations of the use of tectonic weapons and directed towards the Soviet Union appeared in the Western press at that time.Our scientists who had participated in the development of tectonic weapons declined to give a response to all questions dealing with the nature of these earthquakes.

 

I read anarticle once in the newspaper Zerkalo to the effect that all this talk about artificial earthquakes is absolute nonsense.Perhaps the newspaper has more trustworthy information.I will boldly state, however, that if Azerbaijani scientists were not the originators of some discovery, there is no doubt but that they participated most actively in the development of this subject area.

 

The names of various scientists who predict earthquakes are cited quite often today, but believe me, no one in our day knew better than our scientists when and where one would occur.

 

Let me also say that due to the specific nature of our work, it is only by virtue of this discussion that our scientists will become aware of our cooperative effort in this area, and of our very existence.We are not personally acquainted with them.I hope that they will perceive this mention of them as gratitude.

 

 

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Source:www.angelfire.com/hi/Azgaser/index.html

[Harut]

i used to believe in this too.

 

but you never know, we always have a tough luck.

[Garo]

I've read that the earthquake was so destroying because the ground was moving vertically (up and down) while during most of the earthquakes the ground moves horiozontally. It's extremely diffucult to protect the bulidings agains the vertical earthquakes. I think as a result of underground explosion you'll most likely get vertical movement of the ground.

[Karine]

I really don't know what to belieive. It could be true, it wouldn't surprise me. As what was told about Gorbatjov and his reactions is completly true. He didn't like the fact that we still put such great value on the Karabach question. At the time of the earthquake, cloths were collected everyday we would gather in a local house and people had tons of cloths with them.

 

The help never reached armenia. money wich was collected, would have to go trough Russia in order to get to Armenia. That never seemed to have reached armenia.

[MJ]

Dear Karine,

 

What worries me in the material above is its low quality of arguments. None of the “evidences” provided in the material may sustain elementary professional criticism, and the quality of the material doesn’t even allow it to qualify for a grotesque.

 

The exodus of Azeris from Armenia was a process, which had started immediately after the Sumgait pogroms. The Azeris of Yerevan have moved out much later – primarily in the summer of 1989, if my memory doesn’t betray me.

 

Some of the arguments about the volcanic lava are most ridiculous in the material. As we know, there have not been any active volcanoes in Armenia, so that to give rise to lava in the results of earthquakes. It is apparent that this material has not been written by a professional.

 

I have spoken to some leading Armenian geologists and seismologists in Armenia, immediately after the earthquake. All they have confirmed that this has been a typical, classic earthquake by all its parameters. Only it has been too strong. They used to get furious or laugh at the allegations of the artificial causes of the earthquake.

 

It is known, however, several countries, including USSR and USA, have possessed the technology to cause artificial earthquakes. A French encyclopedia published in 1989, which I have seen, provided information about such incidents, attributing to USSR such experiment in 1988.

 

As far as the “missing” nuclear missiles from the territory of Armenia are concerned, I am highly suspicious of it. I am not sure that there have ever been nuclear missiles on the territory of Armenia in the first place. Don’t recall anything of the kind. Additionally, it is too naïve to assume that if, for the sake of the argument, USSR had used nuclear missiles in the North of Armenia, they were so stupid that didn’t know that 38-36=2.

 

The human tragedy of the 1988 earthquake was enormous. During such tragedies people always come up with “mystery” and “conspiracy” stories. In that sense, we were not unique in the post 1988 era.

[Aaron]

Karine

I personnaly don't believe in this and i've heard the story many times since 1988.

this is too big of an event to be kept away from people, its not like killing JFK or the UFO cases.

Such a project requires a lot of manpower, many scientists, officials, military, politicians, hundreds of people, plus you just cant lose two ICBM s (missiles) without people knowing what happened to them, each missile is followed by hundreds of engineers and other security measures are taken as well.

And if those who did it got away with it and today are laughing at our emails, then I must admit that revealing the truth today would be even more painfull for people.

So I blame nature

 

But still, if it turns out to be true,I wouldn't sit down home, I wouldn't be able to digest it. it would be the biggest crime against humanity

 

 

AAAhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!

Why did you have to raise doubts in my brain I can't sleep or work now...

[ThornyRose]

Artificial earthquakes... Same stuff went around with our earthquake of August 17 and "Tesla's machine"... Only you had the Israelis and Americans experimenting, and how did the Israelis happen to arrive so fast, why did Ecevit say what he said, blah blah blah.

It was a crafty scenario, yes... Well-pieced, but the plaster was just that - plaster. This piece of work crumbled under common sense.

[oz]

Well, first of all you can not create an artificial earthquake with a nuclear missile; it sounds impossible under today's technology.

 

Even if we assume that a new technology had been developed by Russians to trigger the faults by a nuclear missile, they can not hide the radioactivity level of the soil.

 

On the other hand, there is a machine called " Tesla's Earthquake Machine", it is true.

 

Actually, it is a resonance machine and the main purpose of the machine is creating resonances that are equal to a structure's resonance.

 

Theoretically, all structures have their own resonance frequencies', and if you can vibrate them with an equal frequency, they collapse.

 

It is a very common problem in the design of steel constructed buildings and bridges.

 

Again theoretically, you might create artificial earthquakes if you can send electromagnetic vibrations to the soil that are equal to the soil's resonance frequency.

 

Tesla and his life is quite interesting, I can recommend you to read:

 

"Tesla: Man out of Time" by Margaret Cheney

 

And

 

"Nikola Tesla's Earthquake Machine" by Dale Pond

 

[ July 07, 2001: Message edited by: oz ]

[Guest Fadi]

Nuclear explosion can creat Earthquakes, when they are used in dangerous territories such as Turkey, Armenia, Iran etc... of course it is not typical, but not impossible, as for Tesla machine, it do not creat only artificial Earthquakes but true ones also, and I can not believe that Soviet Union could have been so stupid to use them near Armenia, and more the Thesla machine is only theoric. Israel made some tests, by using explosions that have variable resonance, but they arew to far from Armenia or Turkey.

 

I believe that the Armenian and Turkish Earthquake were a natural desasters and that we have no enough prove to conclude else.

 

As for horizontal vs Vertical Earthquake, I always believed horizontal Earthquakes are more dangerous, in fact this is what I learned from my geology course, of course in Armenia houses were build up with rocks etc... and their lack of protection was more responsable then other things, but when you have horizontal Earthquakes, it cuts everything that is on the soil.

[Garo]

Domino do you know any good method of protecting buldings from vertical earthquake? There are a few effective ways to protect the buldings from horizontal movements of the land.

As for generating an earthquake by using resonance machine I think in that case there should be small earthquakes before it reaches to its maximum level.

[Garo]

I think if even it was an artifical earthquake whoever did it were not stupied and would think about the way of making it look like a natural earthquake long before even starting the project. Probably time will show. I remember an article in russian magazine a few years ago. It was about an horrible experiment in army when they used a real nuclear bomb during a military training against about 20-30000 soldiers in Ural military poligon. A few survivors were lucky enough to pass the 25 years of non-disclosure barrier to speak about this and sue the defense ministry for ruining their life.

Hopefully one day we'll get more info about the earthquake too if it was another experiment.

[oz]

A nuke can cause an earthquake only by chance.

 

Since we have a very limited knowledge on the dynamics of the faults, we can not predict their reaction to a nuclear explosion.

 

Also, there is a conflict between the scientist about the exact locations of the faults.

 

In this respect, using nukes to trigger faults is currently impossible.

 

On the other hand, Tesla's earthquake machine is real.

 

Tesla caused an earthquake in NY in 1898 while he was working on sonic vibrations.

 

After many years, he revealed what had happened as follows:

 

I was experimenting with vibrations. I had one of my machines going and I wanted to see if I could get it in tune with the vibration of the building. I put it up notch after notch. There was a peculiar cracking sound.

 

I asked my assistants where did the sound come from. They did not know. I put the machine up a few more notches. There was a louder cracking sound. I knew I was approaching the vibration of the steel building. I pushed the machine a little higher. Suddenly all the heavy machinery in the place was flying around. I grabbed a hammer and broke the machine. The building would have been about our ears in another few minutes. Outside in the street there was pandemonium.

 

The police and ambulances arrived. I told my assistants to say nothing. We told the police it must have been an earthquake. That's all they ever knew about it.

 

That machine was an unique oscillator that could fit in an overcoat pocket.

 

Especially, after Kobe earthquake in 1995, many people claimed that it was an US attack (!) with Tesla's machine.

 

An other example was in 28 May 1993, close to the Banjawarn sheep station - NW of Perth, Australia. An event registered 3.7 on the Richter scale and was assumed to have been the first ever recorded quake in that part of Australia.

 

Many people also thought that it could be another experiment with Tesla's Machine since the area was quite stable.

 

Some people is also accusing US and Israel for the 17 August earthquake in Turkey.

 

What I know on this issue is as follows:

 

The main impact point of the 17 August earthquake was The Turkish Naval Base in Golcuk.

 

There was a celebration on that night on the base, and unusually some Israel and US officals were attending to that celebration too.

 

Later, a Turkish offical stated that, they were there to manoeuvre a seismic communication system that lets you to communicate with your troops without wires in wartime.

 

He also stated that a big machine was builted to the basement of the main building for this manoeuvre.

 

(Actually this guy has nothing to do with Tesla's machine, poor guy was accusing Turkish officals for manouvering with Jews and thinks that God was punished them for this; I read it in a islamic newspaper)

 

It was quite possible that they started their experiment at 03.00 (as usual in the army) while everybody was sleeping after a nice ball.

 

After few minutes, when the machine achieves its full power, people of Golcuk witnessed unbelievable fire balls flashing across the sky, and earthquake occured.

 

(Same flashlights also happened in Kobe earthquake, it also started at 03.07)

 

All buildings of the base were builted to remain standing in worst conditions, but only the main building couldn't do that; it was completely destroyed after few seconds.

 

All communication lines were blocked for hours, afterwards politicians said that it was because of the damage and overload but it doesn't explains the blockage on the unique lines between the presidents house and the army.

 

In the morning of the 17 August, Prime Minister Ecevit gave a statement to the journalists; he was looking so confused and said that "I don't know what's going on, my phone doesn't work!"

 

One day after the earthquake, some fishers witnessed a plane crash in the straits of Canakkale; it was a small plane and they saved the Jewish pilot.

 

Coast guard took the pilot, said the fishers forget everything they saw and gone.

 

I don't know if it has anything to do with the 17 August earthquake, but there was definitely something happened we don't know there.

 

(It is said that they were making an experiment to avoid big earthquakes by triggering small ones and relief the massed forces on the faults.

 

They choose Golcuk for their experiment because the KAF fault is very similar with the San Andrias fault in North America.

 

They were hoping to create some small earthquakes, and collect usefull information to use with San Andrias Fault; but something really bad happened and they caused an unbelievable disaster)

 

[ July 07, 2001: Message edited by: oz ]

[Guest Fadi]

Yes, you may be right Garo, but there is no real only Vertical Earthquake, I don't know in the case of the Armenian Earthquake, I was to young at that time, but I don,t think that Armenian buildings were protected from horizontal or vertical kind of Earthquakes, so I do not know if really what would have happened if the Earthquake was horizontal, but for high bildings horizontal Earthquakes are nighmares, the building collaps waiting a few second when they are not protected, when they can resist to Vertical ones a little more, I experimented this for a project, and the text of the diagonal protection designed by the Japonese, of course they have the horizontal Earthquakes, and I wonder how they could prevent a building collapsing from vertical ones.

 

About Tesla, I know that mini-Earthquakes existed before the Earthquake in Turkey, what about Armenia ? And more even if they were how could we prove there were not linked to techtonic plat movements before an Earthquake ?

[Kazza]

I beleive in a little from both sides of the story..LOL! There will always be these "theories" over natural disasters. People never want to beleive terrible things happen just because they do, and in greif look for someone or something to blame. Take for exampe, the murder of Jill Dando, the british TV presenter. Amonst the many theories, was one saying it was a Serb conspiracy!! Serbs at the time were contoversial in British politics because they were seeking asylum. The Diana death? Serbs also came in to this one more, and I also saw ridiculous stories over the net that armenian mobsters were in some way involved! lololol! I fell out of my chair, just laughing. Theser exaples that I am giving are just explaitation to everyone, but I think you must get the idea.

 

I think Garo you are right, because Armenian is also a very Hilly "highlandy" area, so that up and down thing makes sense to me. As for our Dear Mr.Gorbachev this looks like a perfect excuse to blame russians. Just involving them makes their arguement look so lame it can't even limp properly.

 

I was chatting to this guy from HyeBiz QUITE a lot on this, and he has come up with some reasonable arguements in favour of the theory. I must admit his arguements sound very very valid to me. Hreally knows his sources, and how to weed the Thoery from the facts. I'm amazed at how much, for his young age. He also says he really likes my "unique" ideas !!!LOL!! If you give me a moment I will ask him if he wants to share some his thoughts to us

 

[ July 08, 2001: Message edited by: Kazza ]

 

[ July 08, 2001: Message edited by: Kazza ]

[Guest Fadi]

Oz, you are taking Tesla and his machine a little bit to serious I think. First of all Tesla was known to be a little on the sky and a dreamer, an artist, believing to have recieved messages from the aliens, using vibration to heal people etc...

 

Tesla machine and his test have been exagerated, Tesla exagerated in his results, when he say it was enough small to be pout in a pocket, he sure exgerated, when reports of his test are talking about big machines with osciation head.

 

The problem with Tesla machine is complex, first of all achieving the vibration of an object to creat an Earthquake is difficult when you are talking about a general Earthquake, a building, closed has an reverberation effect, not the same as a soil Earthquake test. I already builded an tesla machine as we can call with my Friend, studying in Polythecnic, it just a powerfull osciator, with an air pressured flow, when tested in a hard building, made without wood and gyproc, you have a result, but this is all about what we had as result, the results are exgerated, and Tesla lied about the dimention of the machine that he build up.

 

The problem is the amplitude, when you increase the amplitude the head of the osciator start to creat another frequence so there is energy loss, the creat the first frequence that you want to have, more you increase less the increase of the first frequence, at the end it stabilise and you creat many second 3rd 4rt etc... frequences, so for this you need geant osciators, or one of very good quality, using maghetic fields to replace Pressurised air, it was impossible for us to do, and you need a good floor, with one real resonance frequency and homogenious.

 

This is why I believe, that Nuclear bombs or explosive united with an osciation head is the best tool to creat Earthquake, just a nuclear bomb of some megatones, creat frequencies of a very great scales, and a part of it is to resonance of the floor etc... with a giant steel on the soil, with a dome head, of the same freaquence of the floor, with a nuclear head directed implosion, could have all the power to creat an Earthquake.

 

Sorry but I do not buy really the Tesla machine. Maybe another Serbian Tale ;-)

[Kazza]

LOl Domino ! Those silly serbs! Resonsible for EVERYTHING aren't they ?

[Guest Fadi]

Accualy Tesla was a Serb

[Kazza]

ooh!

[oz]

Have you heard about his coils?

[Guest Fadi]

His lightning device Oz ? Sure, I believe they accuse him of being responsable of a destrcution by lightning of a forest. Again what a rediculous Tesla story

[MosJan]

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Soviet Conspiracy Against Armenia in 1988

 

Evidence of an artificially generated earthquake!

 

The Eye Witness Story

Part 1

 

During the December 7, 1988 Armenian earthquake even the monumental gates of the city Spitak (which were known to be strongly built) were collapsed into ruins. In the ruins was the whole Northern portion of the Armenian Republic. Nevertheless it is worth mentioning that the "Earthquake" was pre-planned and artificially created to based on the events that occurred before the "Earthquake" of December 7,1988.

 

1ST EVIDENCE: When Japanese rescuers came to Adler airport (Russia) on their way to Armenian Earthquake Zone, they were not allowed to enter Armenian Republic by the Soviet government in Moscow.

 

Japanese rescuers were known to be the most technically advanced in the field of seismology, and therefore with their superior equipment they would have been able to detect the presence of unnatural biological agents in the air. So as a result they were not allowed to enter Armenia by the Soviet government of Moscow, and therefore they had no choice but to return back to Japan.

 

Fortunately, Japanese rescuers had managed to send their equipment into the Disaster Zone before their arrival to the Adler Airport (Russia). Furthermore, In those days, in Spitak there were functioning emergency rescue teams from France, England, Germany and Italy, who warned the people to use specially medicated masks and bandages used to be wrapped around mouths and noses, which they were using already, since the first moment that they landed in Armenia. The people who were there in the Disaster Zone using their equipment already knew of "Earthquake's" unnatural cause.

 

This proved the presence of biological agents in the air, which meant that air in Armenia, especially in the Disaster Zone was contaminated, which never occurs as a result of natural earthquakes, unless chemical facilities were damaged as a direct result of the event.

 

2ND EVIDENCE:On the night of December 6th and morning of December 7th, from the city of Lvov (Ukraine), a special group of 400 Soviet soldiers were brought in to Yerevan, Armenia. Exactly 45min. After the "Earthquake", on December 7th, those 400 special soldiers trained to guard military prisons and strategic facilities in emergency situations were relocated to Spitak, and put on guard around all government buildings and facilities through out the Disaster Zone in Spitak. When they were asked by common people when were they told to arrive, they said that: a day before the Earthquake, on December 6th, once in Yerevan, they were told of their relocation to Spitak, for December 7th and so they did the following morning. Why would 400 specially trained soldiers be sent to Armenia one day before the earthquake. Perhaps the strategy was to diffuse the situation. Perhaps it was some other reason but we may never know for sure. To an observer of the event it does seem a bit odd and adds a lot of questions.

 

3RD EVIDENCE: In the winter of 1988, prior to December 7th, in the northern part of Armenia, in the area around Spitak, there were many Azerys living, especially in the villages of Saral and Khursale. As the Kharabagh Movement was gaining momentum, Azery inhabitants begged their local Armenian authorities to secure their habitation in those areas, saying that they were ready even to change their religion to Christianity, just to remain there, on their property. But before the tragic day of December 7th, on December 5th, the Azery government of Baku sent government cars and buses to the area, where they forcefully packed them with Azery villagers and drove them back to Baku,Azerbaijani republic. In one day, a few thousands of Azeries were removed from their villages by the Azery government The next day, on December 6th, over four thousands of Armenians moved into those villages to settle in there. On December 7th, half of those resettling Armenians perished due to the disaster. One can argue that this too was just a coincidence but it seems as though it was a very favorable one for all in this story except for the Armenian people.

 

What Was Not Told

In the mountains of Bazum (North Armenia, near by the city Spitak), which was the epicenter of the "Earthquake", there were located intercontinental nuclear-balistic missiles of the Soviet Union. They were kept in their underground silos, whose "push" button was interconnected with other "push" buttons of Soviet nuclear missiles through out the Soviet Union. The key to the main "push" button of this nuclear missiles was kept in Moscow, in the hands of the Soviet President.

 

The main enemy of the USSR was supposedly considered to be NATO, who had similar nuclear missiles command-control system and nuclear missiles enveloping the borders of USSR, based in NATO's allied countries. But the most dangerous NATO base was and is considered by Russia to be located in Turkey, where NATO also has its ground forces capable of taking over the Caucasian highland within minutes. Thus opening their way toward the Russian mainland. The reasons for such worry by Russians are the railroad Kars-Gumry and highway connecting Turkey and Armenia. Possibility of fast NATO ground troops advancement into Russia through the territory of Caucasus was seriously considered by the Soviet military establishment, therefore ways were found to cover such weakness of the Soviet's Southern Flank.

 

It was known that the total amount of the Soviet's nuclear weapons was enough destroy half of the world 26 times, while the nuclear arsenal under NATO command was enough to destroy half of the world 24 times. In case of war, 15 minutes was enough for the nuclear missiles launched by the NATO to reach their targets through out the Soviet Union. But nuclear missiles attack by NATO from its bases in Turkey could hit their targets within seconds. So one of the ways that Soviet military establishment tried to reinforce its nuclear leverage against NATO was attempted deployment of nuclear missiles in Cuba, which Soviet president Krushev did, by almost triggering a nuclear confrontation with the United States, which could of ignited a WW-3, nuclear holocaust of the whole world. This operation was carried out with Fidel Castro's cooperation and approval.

 

The tensions over Cuban missile crisis were watered down by active involvement of Anastas Mikoyan on behalf of the negotiating Soviet party. When Soviet submarines left American territorial waters, a political coup was carried out within Soviet Union's government, which ousted Nikite Krushev from his powers. After the Cuban Crisis, the nuclear competition between Soviet Union and USA continued. The power of their weapons was showed off in Vietnam, as a result of which, USSR and USA continued their nuclear race, attaining capabilities of totally annihilating each other 30 times. As a result of such nuclear competition, Soviet military establishment designed designed a strategic, post-nuclear plan, called "A Few Hours After Nuclear War", which was to be used the following way: In case of the nuclear war, both warring parties will annihilate each other which was unavoidable, and After the climax, it is only the mobile ground forces will be the ones to determine how the war will end and who won the war. USSR had no chance of saving enough ground troops to fight the war After such event, but the NATO ground troops based in Turkey, had a chance to survive and continue the war on the ground. So in order to take care of that problem, next to the underground nuclear missiles silos based in the mountains of Spitak, there were located a different type of a nuclear missiles, with a smaller nuclear capacity designed to propel solid ground and explode underground, thus causing an artificial Earthquake equivalent to 12.0 magnitude on the Richter Scale. Such "Earthquake" was able to destroy the Kars-Gumry railroad and their connective highways, blocking any advancement opportunities by NATO troops from Turkey into the region, until they could find out who is dead and who is not, how many are dead and how many are not. Such missiles were possible to be used by firing them from the aircraft.

 

About existence of such earthquake causing missiles was made known by Leonid Breshnev in his conversations with foreign leaders, where he tried to treat them into voluntary submission to the Soviet Union. The idea of creating such weapons came to minds of the Soviet nuclear scientists during their underground nuclear experiments in Semipalatinsk (Khazakstan), where always underground nuclear explosions generated Earthquakes and major After shocks. Therefore knowledge gained from that is believed by many Armenians to have been practiced by the Soviet Union in Armenia, on December 7th, of 1988. The believed reason for this theory is the fact that the destruction of the Soviet Union was prearranged from its beginning, which started first by the Chernobyl accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power-station in Ukraine, then it was followed by the prearranged"Earthquake" in Armenia. Why in Armenia? Simply because the disintregation process of the Soviet Union was hoped to be carried out under controlled circumstances, which started by Gorbachev's famous Perestroika and Glasnost reforms within the Soviet Union. But all of a sudden, unexpected to those behind the scenes, the public movements in Armenia for Democracy and preservation of good ecological environment in Armenia started by the Armenian green party evolved into a public outburst of dissatisfaction with the Soviet system and its unjust partition of Armenia through out the years, as a result of which Armenian territories of Kharabagh, Nakichevan and Javagkh were given to its neighbors, without Armenian's consent on it. This political and economical dissatisfaction of Armenian people with the Soviet regime turned into public, mass demonstrations, strikes and walk outs, done to make Soviet Union recognize Armenia's independence and reunification of Kharabagh with Armenia. Thus, the situation was getting out of the Soviet regime's control, and therefore they believed that something was supposed to be done to stop Armenians from its national aspirations. Thus the nuclear disaster occurred in Armenia, on December 7th, 1988.

 

Many people through out the world were told that the "Earthquake" was only 6.8 at the epicenter, and that many buildings collapses, killing thousands some 25,000 people by the Soviet estimates (while in reality it was over 40,000 people killed) and half million of people left homeless as a result of unproperly built buildings, and use of a low quality construction materials. That was a major lie, decimated by the Soviet propaganda machine, to "blind" all those who asked how come so many people were killed, if the "Earthquake" was not that strong to cause such damage. In fact, many buildings and structures were built with top technology available in the Soviet union, using the best quality materials available at that time, yet all of them collapsed on that tragic hour. Blaming the victims with the guilt of tragedy was and is practiced method of disinformation and public opinion manipulation carried out by the Turkish government to deny the facts of Armenian Genocide that took place between 1915-1923 in the Ottoman Empire.

 

But soon or later, people will find out the whole truth and documented facts about the so called Armenian "Earthquake" of 1988, no matter how hard the criminals will try to hide it. But until then it is worth to mention the following events that took place After the tragic disastrous moment,on December 7th, of 1988. The epicenter of the "Earthquake" was established to be located in the Spitak's mountainous area, formerly known as Nalband, where according to the official Armenian Press report of that time, the magnitude of the "Earthquake" was 12.4 on the Richter Scale, while forgetting that the maximum number on the Richter Scale is only 12.0 Later on it was refuted. It was known that if the Earthquake magnitude was 12.0, then it would of followed by a volcanic explosion and bursting out lava, which never happened in Spitak.

 

All the earthquake seismograms printed by the Armenian seismographic stations were taken away by unknown security officials approximately one hour later After the "Earthquake". Then, it was reported on Armenian government TV, that supposedly all the seismographic machines in Armenia were broken down into pieces, as a result of the "Earthquake" being to strong to handle.

 

In 1987, the Soviet Press reported of only 38 nuclear missiles being present on the territory of the Armenian republic. Then, when later on, between 1989-1990, the soviet troops along with their weapons and equipment except border troops were withdrawn from Armenian republic, it was reported that only 36 units of nuclear missiles were removed. The question is what happened with the other 2 nuclear missiles? The Armenian "Earthquake" of 1988 was felt by having the whole ground shaken 2 times. Was it a coincidence? During the "Earthquake" a very loud noise, unlike any earthquake noise, was heard through out the country, even in Yerevan.

 

The whole "Earthquake" disaster had a lot of political motivations. The whole process of triggering the disintegration of the Soviet Union was designed to be carried out by the artificial "Kharabagh Movement", which suddenly grew in proportions and became a national-liberational struggle of Armenians against the Soviet oppression and historical injustice toward Armenians, to gain independence and reunification of Artsakh (Kharabagh) with mother Armenia. The whole struggle incorporated millions of Armenians inside the republic and abroad, starting from the kids to very old adults.

 

Millions of Armenians through out the world got involved, and for those who started the disintegration of Soviet Union it was already too late to brake the course of history, since same events like a domino effect took hold in all other 15 Soviet Republics. The movers and shakers behind the scenes lost their control over the events taking place in Armenia, so as a result the Armenian "Earthquake" was engineered to brake the national moral and aspirations of Armenian people for freedom, independence and reclamation of its justly rights to its historical lands, artificially put under Azery control (Kharabagh and Nakhichevan) in 1921-1923, by Stalin and Lenin. As a continuation of enslaving Armenian people by the powers behind the scenes, famous Armenian national leaders, political and military figures got assassinated between 1991-1996.

 

The quick presence of Michael Gorbachev in the city of Spitak, who that day was visiting USA, which he cut short to run back to Armenia. His behavior was that of a criminals, who are usually the first ones present on their crime scene, thinking that their presence will sway away the suspicion of their involvement in the crime. On that day, December 10th, during his meeting with Armenian people in Spitak, Gorbachev yelled in rage: "What kind of people are they? They still speak about Kharabagh?", his rage was followed by an astonishing phrase, "Wasn't this enough for you?"

 

In 1989, in Moscow, during the all soviet Communist Party convention, Armenian female deputy, Ludmila Haroutunyan in her speech referred to now former, then current Defense Minister of Soviet Union, Marshal Yazov with the following questions: -"Marshal Yazov, when did you arrive to the Disaster Zone, before the EXPLOSION or After" to which Marshal Yazov replied: -"Two hours After the EXPLOSION". All the participants of the meeting were shocked to hear him confirm that what took place in Armenia was not an Earthquake but a "mysterious" EXPLOSION. A couple of seconds later, Marshal Yazov coming to his senses changed his previous reply and said: -"No,No, two hours After the 'Earthquake' ". To Marshal Yazov respond, deputy Ludmila Haroutounyan replied: -"How did you happen to manage coming to Spitak from Moscow in 2 hours, when first before arriving to Spitak, your plane would have made landing in Tbilisi (Georgia), or Yerevan (Armenia), before you reached Spitak and that is only in 1.5 ours later, After your landing that you could of reached Spitak?" Obviously, the whole trip would have taken more than 2 hours before arriving to Spitak and right there, the biggest criminal Michael Gorbachev, who was presiding over the meeting, turned off Armenian deputy's microphone, cutting her short from further questioning the Soviet leaders.

 

So now, what can you say Academicians of the world, who keep insisting that what happened in Armenia, on December 7th, of 1988 was only a natural disaster ?

 

 

 

Former Azeri Official Confesses in the Crimes of the Former Azeri Leadership

 

KGB Officer Claims Azerbaijani Scientists Had Role in Tectonic Weapon Program

 

4 May 2001

Baku Zerkalo Subslug: Interview with Akif Gasanov, former KGB intelligence officer, by R. Mirkadyrov; place and date not given: "Azerbaijanis Developed Tectonic Weapon -- And May Even Have Tested It in the final years of the Soviet Union"

[FBI's Translated Text] Much has been written about tectonic weapons. Most scientists assert to this day that it is impossible at present to build such a weapon. But the secrets of the Soviet Union were best known by the KGB.

Lieutenant Colonel Akif Gasanov, professional intelligence officer in the state security service, confirms that the military-industrial complex of the former Soviet Union was actively engaged in the development of tectonic weapons in the mid-1980s.We are even more amazed to learn that Azerbaijani scientists were actively involved in this work. Here is the interview itself:

 

[Mirkadyrov] Akif-Bey, how did it come about that you, an ordinary KGB operative, learned about the development of such a secret weapon?

 

[Gasanov] I became aware of this subject quite by accident in 1985. I was working in the Second Department (counterintelligence) in the linear branch of Western espionage needed some new assistants to "set up" foreign diplomats. We would usually select these people from among intellectuals who were of interest to the Western special services. Preferably they knew English and were able to readily establish contacts but did not in fact have access to classified information.Since ours was a linear branch, I had no servicing objectives.

 

[Mirkadyrov] For us mere mortals, could you explain what you mean by a "linear branch"?

 

[Gasanov] We conducted operations by objective and by functional area. For example, enterprises of strategic and defense significance comprised objectives for operational servicing and were run by certain divisions. At the same time, there were linear divisions that operated by functional area. For example, activities against the NATO countries, activities against currency violations, etc.

 

[Mirkadyrov]So how did you happen to come upon the developers of tectonic weapons?

 

[Gasanov]During a general sweep I conducted of operations and information aggregates, I wound up at one of the institutes of the Academy of Sciences. When entirely by chance I set up an operational site there, I saw that this elicited great displeasure from the department that was servicing this objective. But our division had higher priority, and this settled the dispute.

 

Some time later I was transferred to intelligence and wound up in Moscow. Then I returned to Baku. In 1984 I continued my service in a division of NTR (Scientific-Technical Intelligence) under the direction of that ace of Azerbaijani intelligence, Colonel Shamil Kasumovich Suleymanov,who would become the NTR agent of the First Main Directorate (Intelligence) of the USSR KGB in Sweden.

 

At that time, our division was operationally servicing the intelligence line of the Academy of sciences. I had no involvement with it, however, since I was working in a linear functional area and was engaged not in information collection,but rather in the study, cultivation, and recruitment of persons of intelligence interest.

 

One day I received a phone call from a source with whom I had worked when I was in counterintelligence at the division of the Academy of Sciences mentioned earlier. In general, it should be noted that an operative and a source often develop a relationship whereby they continue to have contacts, even many years After the operational aspect of the relationship has ended. So we met.

 

[Mirkadyrov] Is it really possible that an intelligence officer would be permitted to meet with his "sources," if that is the correct expression, After the cessation of an operational relationship?

 

[Gasanov]People are people.Basic human behavior is not alien to us. This may surprise you, but the KGB relied mainly on dealings with people in pursuing its activity. We therefore had special training in psychology and the moral-psychological traits of certain categories of people and even specific ethnic groups. The organization allocated great weight to the human factor.

 

We were obliged to meet with people if only because any dealings with them might reveal aspects affecting matters of state security. True,when we met with an active source, we had to inform the headquarters.

 

[Mirkadyrov]And what did your source tell you with respect to tectonic weapons that was so unusual?

 

[Gasanov]The information I received seemed fantastic. Certain scientists at the Academy of Sciences were working on problems associated with earthquakes.There was a certain Ikram Kerimov and a group of his associates, the most notable of whom was Dzhafar Dzhafarov, son of Khady Dzhafarov, the well known AzINEFTEKhIM [Azerbaijani Petrochemical Institute] professor.

 

Ikram Kerimov asserted that they could control and initiate earthquakes. Moreover, he said they had theoretical justification for their assertions and were attempting to obtain minimal financing in the academic sphere.In their opinion, there were grounds to believe that a number of earthquakes that had occurred recently may well have been initiated through a remote control device or accidentally triggered directional influence on the Earth's core.

 

Because of his assertions, Ikram Kerimov was considered by the Academy of Sciences to be a somewhat weird scientist,to put it mildly,and his laboratory was virtually on the brink of closure.

 

We collected materials that might prove factually relevant, then drew up and submitted our report to the center.

 

[Mirkadyrov] And what was the reaction?

 

[Gasanov]It would usually take a month or more to process information.On this occasion, however, we received a conclusion very quickly.The assessment was fairly high for internal USSR information.It was treated as intelligence information.There was an immediate request to prepare the most extensive possible analytical reference package on the material and send it to the VPK (military-industrial complex).

 

As a result of VPK study, a very high assessment was given.Scientists were then brought to Moscow to elaborate the subject matter.According to main information, an outstanding environment was created for them.They were afforded almost unlimited financing and the ability to conduct experiments.

 

Following the collapse of the Soviet Union, however, this subject area was forgotten in Azerbaijan. I never heard mention of Ikram Kerimov After that.As far as Dzhafar Dzhafarov is concerned, his name was mentioned in an article on artificial earthquakes that was published about five years ago in the newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda.The article also asserted that he had taken up permanent residence in South Africa.

 

[Mirkadyrov] What about the application of tectonic weapons?

 

[Gasanov] In the late 1980s, a series of earthquakes took place encompassing a vast territory -- from India to Central Asia. Accusations of the use of tectonic weapons and directed towards the Soviet Union appeared in the Western press at that time.Our scientists who had participated in the development of tectonic weapons declined to give a response to all questions dealing with the nature of these earthquakes.

 

I read anarticle once in the newspaper Zerkalo to the effect that all this talk about artificial earthquakes is absolute nonsense.Perhaps the newspaper has more trustworthy information.I will boldly state, however, that if Azerbaijani scientists were not the originators of some discovery, there is no doubt but that they participated most actively in the development of this subject area.

 

The names of various scientists who predict earthquakes are cited quite often today, but believe me, no one in our day knew better than our scientists when and where one would occur.

 

Let me also say that due to the specific nature of our work, it is only by virtue of this discussion that our scientists will become aware of our cooperative effort in this area, and of our very existence.We are not personally acquainted with them. I hope that they will perceive this mention of them as gratitude.

[Guest]

There are tens of seismic stations in the world to enforce the international nuclear test ban treaty in the world. These stations can distinguish between an underground nuclear explosion and a natural earthquake. Why didn't they signal such a nuclear explosion at that time? This seems to be a report based on rumors aimed at disinforming people without any scientific evidence.

[Anna]

I've read in some Russian newspaper that during the Sovet times, Russians were treatning USA with their underground weapon called "krot" which caused earthquakes, but later Russians stoped making such treates to USA, when Reagan warned them about their weapon which they can send it through the skies. Even right after the earthquake i remember people talking about the earthquake being made up by Soviets.

I think that that's the way it was.

[THOTH]

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Originally posted by Hovik:
After reading this thread I think I will stop accusing Ara Baliozian of calling us morons I think he was rather right...

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Hovik - I think you are correct - LOL (and about the sensors for quakes & nukes...many independently manned BTW - not beholden to East or West as it were)

All of this is pure speculation basically without merit (IMO). MJ is correct - the "so-called" evidence (sorry, I hate that term too...but it fits here) is weak and unsupported. Releif workers ware masks due to disease from the dead, etc etc. (and so many "facts" presented are just plain wrong...) It is nice to speculate....and these capabilities (to trigger faults by various means) are certainly theoretically possible and perhaps have been attempted on a small scale - however if they were able to do so with any level of predictability this would be occuring to releive stress fault build up in many areas...remember big bucks are at stake...

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After reading this thread I think I will stop accusing Ara Baliozian of calling us morons I think he was rather right...