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Have you heard about his coils?

Then see you later dude!

Oh God, now you start again...

MJ, inspite of I'm mad at you because of our previous arguements, now I should thank you for your respectful and sensitive approach on this issue. Thanks.

A nuke can cause an earthquake only by chance. Since we have a very limited knowledge on the dynamics of the faults, we can not predict their reaction to a nuclear explosion. Also, there is a conflict between the scientist about the exact locations of the faults. In this respect, using nukes to trigger faults is currently impossible. On the other hand, Tesla's earthquake machine is real. Tesla caused an earthquake in NY in 1898 while he was working on sonic vibrations. After many years, he revealed what had happened as follows: I was experimenting with vibrations. I had one of my machines going and I wanted to see if I could get it in tune with the vibration of the building. I put it up notch after notch. There was a peculiar cracking sound. I asked my assistants where did the sound come from. They did not know. I put the machine up a few more notches. There was a louder cracking sound. I knew I was approaching the vibration of the steel building. I pushed the machine a little higher. Suddenly all the heavy machinery in the place was flying around. I grabbed a hammer and broke the machine. The building would have been about our ears in another few minutes. Outside in the street there was pandemonium. The police and ambulances arrived. I told my assistants to say nothing. We told the police it must have been an earthquake. That's all they ever knew about it. That machine was an unique oscillator that could fit in an overcoat pocket. Especially, after Kobe earthquake in 1995, many people claimed that it was an US attack (!) with Tesla's machine. An other example was in 28 May 1993, close to the Banjawarn sheep station - NW of Perth, Australia. An event registered 3.7 on the Richter scale and was assumed to have been the first ever recorded quake in that part of Australia. Many people also thought that it could be another experiment with Tesla's Machine since the area was quite stable. Some people is also accusing US and Israel for the 17 August earthquake in Turkey. What I know on this issue is as follows: The main impact point of the 17 August earthquake was The Turkish Naval Base in Golcuk. There was a celebration on that night on the base, and unusually some Israel and US officals were attending to that celebration too. Later, a Turkish offical stated that, they were there to manoeuvre a seismic communication system that lets you to communicate with your troops without wires in wartime. He also stated that a big machine was builted to the basement of the main building for this manoeuvre. (Actually this guy has nothing to do with Tesla's machine, poor guy was accusing Turkish officals for manouvering with Jews and thinks that God was punished them for this; I read it in a islamic newspaper) It was quite possible that they started their experiment at 03.00 (as usual in the army) while everybody was sleeping after a nice ball. After few minutes, when the machine achieves its full power, people of Golcuk witnessed unbelievable fire balls flashing across the sky, and earthquake occured. (Same flashlights also happened in Kobe earthquake, it also started at 03.07) All buildings of the base were builted to remain standing in worst conditions, but only the main building couldn't do that; it was completely destroyed after few seconds. All communication lines were blocked for hours, afterwards politicians said that it was because of the damage and overload but it doesn't explains the blockage on the unique lines between the presidents house and the army. In the morning of the 17 August, Prime Minister Ecevit gave a statement to the journalists; he was looking so confused and said that "I don't know what's going on, my phone doesn't work!" One day after the earthquake, some fishers witnessed a plane crash in the straits of Canakkale; it was a small plane and they saved the Jewish pilot. Coast guard took the pilot, said the fishers forget everything they saw and gone. I don't know if it has anything to do with the 17 August earthquake, but there was definitely something happened we don't know there. (It is said that they were making an experiment to avoid big earthquakes by triggering small ones and relief the massed forces on the faults. They choose Golcuk for their experiment because the KAF fault is very similar with the San Andrias fault in North America. They were hoping to create some small earthquakes, and collect usefull information to use with San Andrias Fault; but something really bad happened and they caused an unbelievable disaster) [ July 07, 2001: Message edited by: oz ]

Well, first of all you can not create an artificial earthquake with a nuclear missile; it sounds impossible under today's technology. Even if we assume that a new technology had been developed by Russians to trigger the faults by a nuclear missile, they can not hide the radioactivity level of the soil. On the other hand, there is a machine called " Tesla's Earthquake Machine", it is true. Actually, it is a resonance machine and the main purpose of the machine is creating resonances that are equal to a structure's resonance. Theoretically, all structures have their own resonance frequencies', and if you can vibrate them with an equal frequency, they collapse. It is a very common problem in the design of steel constructed buildings and bridges. Again theoretically, you might create artificial earthquakes if you can send electromagnetic vibrations to the soil that are equal to the soil's resonance frequency. Tesla and his life is quite interesting, I can recommend you to read: "Tesla: Man out of Time" by Margaret Cheney And "Nikola Tesla's Earthquake Machine" by Dale Pond [ July 07, 2001: Message edited by: oz ]

1- quote April 21 posted by you: quote 2- quote If you don't know or even don't have interest in a subject, then you don’t have right to make comments about it. Its better for you to say “I don’t know” or “I have to check before answering you” so we communicate in a better manner. By the way, if you really don’t know what happened in last couple of decades, how can we argue about early 1900’s? 3- quote First of all his target was not Turkish Diplomats, he was charged for bombing Turkish Airlines Office in Orly Airport, please read my postings carefully. Second, he is not a single suffering man who is looking for revenge. He is a member of ASALA, which is responsible for many other terrorist actions against innocent people. 4- quote So they and their families deserve being murdered. Due to your position and your education you don’t state like this of course, even you say these kind of actions are “senseless”, however, you can't stop yourself finding excuses and defending Armenians regardless what they did. Why don’t you just condemn them without sheltering under “mitigating causes”? What would you think if I say Armenians had desired to be massacred because they were renegades? Can we accept it as an excuse or a “mitigating cause” for Ottomans? On the other hand, if you really don't know what ASALA did, again I highly recommend you to research it before making comments. (For example bombing marketplace in Istanbul and bombing Ankara Airport actions. Should we assume that all victims were deniers who deserved being massacred? What about RCMP Officer murdered in front of Turkish Embassy in Canada?) 5- quote I care because I know what they did Anatolian people; I care because I know what they did to Armenians whom were our best friends once upon a time. As long as you keep on blaming Turks for everything goes bad in your life, you will deserve to experience same nightmares again and again. If you really care about your people you should study history a little bit more and see what imperialist countries did to your and our people. But may be you don’t care too, like many other Armenians in Diaspora. (Sure you don’t need an International Politics lesson, probably you know better than I do) 6- quote It depends what you understand from being smart. I don't see any point to accept all your allegations without question them. If I accept everything you say I’m smart, otherwise I’m idiot eh? Can we call ourselves "smart" if we just verbatim everything we read on articles or books? What about questioning, researching or at least listening (or reading) each other? By the way, to the contrary to you, I know both Armenian and Turkish allegations so I can compare them and ask myself some questions. 7- quote Who is maneuvering here? You keep on saying same things but never listen to me. quote quote quote quote quote quote -------------------------------------- I can clearly see that you have some problems with understanding my opinions, so I need to repeat: neither I’m defending Ottoman Government's actions nor I'm denying the massacres of hundreds of thousands of Armenian people. I feel deep regret not only for Armenians but all innocent humans who were suffered from government policies, wars etc. Also, I strongly condemn all individuals and Governments who take part in all kinds of violations against all living creatures. Also, again, to the contrary to you, I have no discrimination in my beliefs. I have no problem to condemn Ottoman Government or Turkish Government or any Turk for their actions. So, if you want to hear my specific opinions about Armenians, I don’t hesitate to condemn Ottoman Government or any other individual who take part in murdering hundreds of thousands of Armenian. They were our brothers and sisters whom we shared peaceful centuries and whatever the reason was they didn’t deserve this kind of treatment. I can guarantee that many other Turks are feeling in the same way with me. Why don’t you do the same think instead of claiming that hundreds of thousands of Turks were killed mostly because of sicknesses? Do you call this being sincere? If there is someone who is trying to hide something here, positively it is not I. --------------------------------------

quote So what MJ? Please try to be more sincere, you are intelligent enough to understand what I'm talking about. Varujan Garbisyan is a member of ASALA terror organization and he is responsible for its activities against innocent people. French Police Department cought him after bombing the Turkish Airlines Office in Orly Airport in France in July 1983. Then, he was sentenced to a life imprisonment by French judgement. Couple of weeks ago French Government relased him as a gift to Armenia (he relased on the night of 23 April, interesting eh?) Do you think that French Government did the right thing? Do you think they are fair to all humans in human rights and other similar issues? One last question, do you think they really care you?

There could be no excuse for any type of violation.

Hi again, Due to change in my workplace, I can not access the internet as frequent as before, but I will try to do my best for keeping in touch. MJ, thank you for your refinement. Levon Marahslian's book, Economic Influences on US Policies Toward Turkey and Armenians 1919-1923, was published by Belge Book Company in November 2000 in Turkish. Also, you can find some other books about Armenian view of the problem from other book companies like Yazici. You can easily find and buy these books in major bookstores in Turkey. I will check the recent postings as soon as possible and try to answer the questions that I missed. quote: ASALA has killed 20-30 to ra-éise the intentionally silenced issue of Genocide. Believe me if the issue was free for discussion they wouldn't have touched anyone. I do not think terrorism is right, but it has always been only an answer to surpression, murder, genocides etc. By the way, Turkey has rehabilitated and is honoring (monuments etc.) Talaat ***** and the other Young Turk Government members. Berj, there could be no excuse for terrorism. I don't accept buts,ifs or becauses when we are talking about terrorism. By the way, I don't know any monument of Talat Pasa or any Young Turk in Turkey. You have to prove your allegations before accusing an entire nation.

I really have to go now, but I think this is very important. These are from your web site's welcome message: quote: Perhaps if turkey was punished at the time by the "civilized world", the Armenian Genocide would not have become a blueprint or instruction manual for the Jewish Holocaust, the Somalian massacres, the massacres in Sumgait and Baku, massacres in Kosovo, and perhaps the turkish Genocide one day. quote Guys, am I in the wrong place? [ April 24, 2001: Message edited by: oz ]

By the way, yesterday French government relased Varujan Garbisyan and sent him back to Yerevan. What are you thinking about that? [ May 12, 2001: Message edited by: oz ]

Hi folks; Sorry for not replying, but I was really so busy. I'm leaving country for a project in an overseas country. Probably I will spend 8 to 10 months over there. So, I will try to respond all your messages as soon as possible. Thanks...

Nice for you Alpha!

quote This is a quite nationalist approach; I'm not talking about attacking each other, I'm talking about diplomacy. I think we should revise this issue to clarify: Armenian Government knows that Turkey has no doubt about the massacres and crimes of Ottoman Empire. Only disagreement is the usage of the term “Genocide”. If their purpose is recognition of genocide, they should go Lahey (Hague) Justice Court. It is how it works between civilized countries. Turkey is a member of UN and recognizes the decisions of Hague. However, Armenian Government (or Diaspora) tries to persuade foreign parliaments to recognize the genocide. They are lying to their own people, foreign parliaments cannot force Turkey to recognize the genocide; it is an internal affair of Turkey. Armenia knows it very clearly, but also enjoys continuing its policy; probably because of different purposes. As you can see, nationalist groups both in Turkey and Armenia are taking the advantage of the situation and cultivating hatred in people's mind. This is why I’m calling it as an aggressive policy. I'm sure one day we will find a solution for this problem but I have no idea who will clean this ultra-nationalism and racism mess from our people's mind after then. quote You were not alone. Ultra-nationalist groups in Turkey didn’t discriminate anyone because of their races, thousands of young Turkish people either murdered or wounded by these groups because of their beliefs. So, if you just talk about Armenians it would be a misleading. On the other hand, Kurds, Greeks and even Armenians co-operated with them on their dirty jobs. Who can deny this? I lived in Turkey, I know how it works. Finally, tax of wealth was not only for Christians. I think you don’t know the subject clearly. quote There are violations of human rights in Turkey and we are trying to get over it. However, I’m not sure about the application on names and surnames. I know a lot of Christian names in Turkey (for example Manukyan) but it would be better for me to check first before making a comment. By the way, I cannot say other countries in Europe are perfect on the application of human rights. I think current human rights violations in Europe is a great subject to discuss and I would be glad to talk about it in another group, so we can stick to the main subject here. [ April 23, 2001: Message edited by: oz ]