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  1. I LOVE ARMENIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  2. USA -responsible for the death of 2 million iraqies
  3. Who cared about Serbia, when US and Nato decided that for the safely of all bomb Serbia? This was disscussed in the media, they asked -is it right, or wrong to bomb a sovereign state, led by a "dictator"?? Does anyone know what hell the Iraqi people have been going through? The war agains Iraq is justified by USA; fighting for JUSTICE.
  4. Egoyan Mounts Testament; New Film Ararat a Personal take on Genocide by Bruce Kirkland, The Toronto Sun - June 8, 2001 Posted: Monday, June 11, 2001 at 11:50 PM CT -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mt. Ararat is the name of the highest peak in the rugged landscape of Turkish Armenia, a region now devoid of the ancient Armenian people. Ararat is now a potent symbol, too, as the name of Toronto filmmaker Atom Egoyan's newest film, a complex drama about the genocide that 'cleansed' Turkey of its ethnic Armenians. Egoyan is currently shooting it on location in Toronto. "It is a huge responsibility," Egoyan said on Wednesday on the set at Cherry Beach. As Baltimore orioles sing in the trees and ring-billed gulls swoop over the set, dozens of Armenian-Canadians stroll past Egoyan's camera and re-enact street scenes in the Armenian-Turkish town of Van in 1912. Villagers play board games, shop for molasses-dipped walnuts and almonds, sample dried figs and dried apricots, look over melons and other fruits. Boys play in the dust while women hang over balconies chatting with the passers-by. A donkey pulls its cart up the path. ARMENIAN MASSACRE This bucolic scene belies the true nature of what will come in 1915 -- a wholesale massacre of at least 600,000 people (according to Encyclopedia Britannica) and the expulsion of an equal number as Turkey reacts, in a way of racism, to the outbreak of World War I. Massacres of Armenians had been happening since 1895, but this was the biggest. It is the first mass genocide of the 20th century, a horror which is rarely acknowledged, Egoyan said. That's why he feels his movie is such a responsibility. Armenians have been waiting for a major film on the subject for decades. "I think, as an Armenian filmmaker (he was born in Egypt and raised in Canada but is of Armenian heritage), you're always wondering about this film, because it has never really been made, as such. It is a unique piece of history. The crime has never been admitted by the Turkish government that perpetrated it so, that makes for a very interesting dramatic situation, dealing with issues of denial." UPSTAGED BY LANTOS The project started when Egoyan's long-time producer, Robert Lantos, introduced him at an Armenian community centre in Toronto where Egoyan was getting an award. Egoyan remembered that he had written a conventional speech. "But he sorted of one-upped me," Egoyan said of Lantos, "by standing up in front of this audience and saying that the time had come to make a film about the Armenian genocide. And the whole audience, in this emotional outburst, stood on their feet. Even he was probably surprised." For Lantos, a Hungarian-born Jew who was then developing Sunshine, an epic about anti-Semitism in his native country, Ararat made sense. "I felt that this is another story like Sunshine that simply had to be told," Lantos said Wednesday. "It's not just a movie. It's not just a story. It is something that really truly matters and it had to be told by Atom. There really isn't anyone else who could tell that story, any more than there is anyone else who could have told the story of Sunshine other than Istvan Szabo." Not surprisingly, Egoyan's film is not an historical epic. While the 1912-15 period is depicted, it is staged as a film-within-the-film. The genocide is viewed from the perspective of a young Armenian-Canadian working on the film in Toronto in 2001. As he awakens to his history -- provoked by the making of the historical film -- the audience is awakened too. Egoyan said he is not comfortable with the idea of making a straight-ahead, traditional historical epic in the David Lean style. "I'm a filmmaker who happens to be very self-conscious. I wonder why I need to make the images I do, and that is in the films, and people are either part of that discourse or not." Armenian-Canadians are not concerned. They are happy that the film, any film, about the genocide, is underway. "To me, it's an honour to be associated with his work," said jeweler Ara Run of Exclusive Diamonds. Each day, he has been raiding his Sherway Gardens store of delicate woven gold necklaces and bracelets, as well as hundreds of other period-looking pieces, to bring them here for the actors. For free. LOST GRANDFATHERS "To me, it is important to be accurate, but I know it's even more important to Atom. He has a reputation for precision." As for the subject of the film -- the genocide -- Run said the story must be told: "It's part of our heritage. Unfortunately, it is one of the first genocides of the century and not many people know." He lost both his grandfathers in the massacres. For 18-year-old Araxie Keshishian, who plays a young bride in the film-within-the-film, acting in Ararat is a thrill, with a caveat. "It's a real honour to be here because we all respect Atom so much. But it's really, really long hours!" She looked resplendent in some of Run's gold jewelry, including a $4,000 necklace and a $3,000 bracelet. The people on set seem to have a sense of entitlement. This is their story. Egoyan, who lost his great-grandparents in the genocide, is conscious of that, too. "It's kind of amazing. Everyone wants to be involved in this because everyone realizes that it's this unique opportunity. Everyone has a story to tell. What is overwhelming is having to say, 'No' to some people, because everyone wants to help. Everyone wants to bring what they have. "We're all aware of the responsibility that the project carries and yet we're trying not to let that burden us. It's very tricky. Sometimes, if you stop and think about it, it could be paralyzing. But you can't let yourself do that."
  5. One of my favorite armenian singers...
  6. A frequently used sentence at home: Inch kap oni Alexandri bekheri hed!
  7. Zeytontsiner! Arevn elav zeytontsiner deh chi hentsnenk arnenk zenker! Dimik araz, Incho incho gluxtserenk bernavorin mer viz barzats. Incho Incho glukh tserenk berna-vor-in mer viz barzats!
  8. www.aids-armenicum.com/intro/index.html [ July 23, 2001: Message edited by: Karine ]
  9. Dasaranom: Osochiche hartsnome vize inchi hamare bedk? Askakertneric meke asoma gluxe bahelo hamar, meken asoma sirounchan hamar meken asome vznotsi hamar. Vartanike badaskhanome asom, -drelo hamar. Inch kases Vartanik? orjorde zaramanome. Inchpes? Vartanike sharnakome, -ov vor mer done drome gtsome im vize.
  10. The original name of the cities was in Armenian, or at least -connected to Armenians.I believe this is the main reason why they changed many of the names to turkish. Like Diarbekir = Dikranakert Van is to famous to change, as well as Ani.
  11. Thoth, When exacly did Irak bomb Israel?
  12. Why have US troops been stationed in Countries of say, the persian Golf? Becuase they want to protect the people who live there? I dont think so! Same concerns ASIA: What happened in Vietnam? Why did they destroy Vietnam? What buissness did they have there? What buissneess do they have anywhere? In Afhganistan? Putting the talibans in power. They can easily bomb Irak. Why, because they want to protect Israel. From who? Saddam Hussein?! WHat would the moral diffrents been with Irak bombing Israel and US bombing Irak?? US destroyed nuclear stations in Irak, few years ago. Because they believed it was a threat to Israel. That was their excause. But its OK for israel to have nuclear weapons? Not to menation US. It's well known, America is a coutry with power, who likes to remain in power, not only in their country. The people in Irak is also people. The sanctions agais Irak by the US is an obvious crime agains humanity. Isk Euvropan ira yughov tapakvi
  13. Who's real threat to world peace? (LIU WEITAO) 07/05/2001 The Pentagon last week unveiled the US 2002 defence budget, which required an increase of US$32.6 billion on the year 2001, the biggest growth since the military build-up of the mid-1980s under President Ronald Reagan. If approved, US military expenditure would rise to US$328.9 billion, a record high in post-Cold War years. The figure would equal the combined spending of seven other major powers - Russia, Japan, France, Germany, Britain, China and India. US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld himself explained that such an increase is the result of Washington's overextended battle line in recent years, which has caused a capital shortage in many aspects. Nowadays, the military presence of the United States is almost everywhere - in the Persian Gulf, in the Balkans and in East Asia. The United States, the sole superpower left, is more active than ever in flexing its military muscle - pushing NATO's eastward expansion, building the New US-Japan Defence Co-operation Guidelines and advocating the National Missile Defence programme and the Theatre Missile Defence system. The United States is doing all of this for just one purpose - to ensure a unipolar world dominated by itself. And that is only part of the story. Besides reinforcing its military presence in the world, Washington has never relaxed its efforts to brainwash other countries. Uncle Sam repeatedly portrays itself as the heavyweight champion of human rights, trying to sell its values, democracy and social system to other countries. When meeting resistance, it either adopts an iron fist - using military threats or intervention or supporting political opposition forces - or uses softer means like financial aid to realize its purposes. Such tactics are clearly demonstrated in the Iraqi and Yugoslav cases. Uncle Sam also has other handy gimmicks like the "congagement" (containment and engagement) strategy, an uncontrolled arms race, labelling others as "rogue countries," or the "X threat" theory, etc. In today's world, hotspots have emerged one after another. War, conflict and confrontation still plague millions of people. The arms race is getting worse and behind it is the shadow of Uncle Sam. So who is the real threat to world peace? Who is creating so much fear and instability? The answer is quite clear.
  14. I really don't know what to belieive. It could be true, it wouldn't surprise me. As what was told about Gorbatjov and his reactions is completly true. He didn't like the fact that we still put such great value on the Karabach question. At the time of the earthquake, cloths were collected everyday we would gather in a local house and people had tons of cloths with them. The help never reached armenia. money wich was collected, would have to go trough Russia in order to get to Armenia. That never seemed to have reached armenia.
  15. Soviet Conspiracy Against Armenia in 1988 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Eye Witness Story The Insider Info-What Was Not Told Sources:Anushavan Manyan & Louys Periodical #98,December 7-13 issue, p.3-5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Eye Witness Story Part 1 In 1988, December 8, 7:45am, me and my younger brother came to Spitak from Yerevan to find our relatives, who were living in Spitak ( the eppicenter of the Armenian "Earthquake" of 1988.) There we found out that along with our many relatives who died of that "Earthquake" my brother's wife was one of them. Even the monumental gates of the city Spitak (which were known to be strongly built) were collapsed into ruins. In the ruins was the whole Northern portion of the Armenian Republic. Nevertles it is worth to mention that the "Earthquake" was pre-planned and artificially created to which we came in conclusion based on the events that occured before the "Earthquake" of December 7,1988. 1ST EVIDENCE: When Japaneece rescuers came to Adler airport (Russia) on their way to Armenian Earthquake Zone, they were not allowed to enter Armenian Republic by the Soviet gov't in Moscow. Japaneese rescuers were known to be the most technically advanced in the field of seismology, and therefore with their superior equipments they would of been able to detect the presence of un-natural biological agents in the air. So as a result they were not allowed to enter Armenia by the Soviet gov't of Moscow, and therefore they had no choice but to return back to Japan. Fortunatelly, Japaneese rescuers had managed to send their equipments into the Disaster Zone before their arrival to the Adler Airport (Russia). Furthermore, In those days, in Spitak there were functioning emergency rescue teams from France, England, Germany and Italy, who warned us to use specialy medicated masks and bondanges used to be wrapped around our mouths and noses, which they were using already, since the first moment that they landed in Armenia. Those of us who were there in the Disaster Zone using their equipments already knew of "Earthquake's" un-natural cause. This proved the precense of biological agents in the air, which meant that air in Armenia, especially in the Disaster Zone was contaminated, which never occurs as a result of natural earthquakes, unless chemical facilities were damaged as a direct result of the event. 2ND EVIDENCE:On the night of December 6th and morning of December 7th, from the city of Lvov (Ukraine), a special group of 400 Soviet soldiers were brought in to Yerevan, Armenia. Exactrly 45min. after the "Earthquake", on December 7th, those 400 special soldiers trained to guard military prisons and strategic facilities in emergency cituations were relocated to Spitak, and put on guard around all gov't buildings and facilities through out the Disaster Zone in Spitak. When they were asked by common people when were they told to arrive, they said that: a day before the Earthquake, on December 6th, once in Yerevan, they were told of their relocation to Spitak, for December 7th and so they did the following morning. 3RD EVIDENCE: In the winter of 1988, prior to December 7th, in the northern part of Armenia, in the area around Spitak, there were many Azerys living, especially in the villages of Saral and Khursale. As the Kharabagh Movement was gaining momentum, Azery inhabitants begged their local Armenian authorities to secure their habitation in those areas, saying that they were ready even to change their religion to Christianity, just to remain there, on their property. But before the tragic day of December 7th, on December 5th, the Azery gov't of Baku sent gov't cars and buses to the area, where they forcefully packed them with Azery villagers and drove them back to Baku,Azerbaijany republic. In one day, a few thousands of Azeries were removed from their villages by the Azery gov't. The next day, on December 6th, over four thousands of Armenians moved into those villages to settle in there. On the December 7th, half of those resettling Armenians perished due to the disaster. On December 10th, 1988, at 9:30a.m. I went to the information center of the rescue teams working in Spitak, to meet its gov't official in charge Norik Muradyan, who was also the head of the Spitak's regional gov't. On my way to there, half way past, I got surrounded by the Soviet military troops located in that area, who ordered to everybody in the wisinity to get off the main road. They blocked all the entrances to the downtown Spitak. I was dressed at that moment in a Soviet military uniform, since I was a reserve officer within soviet Army, but off duty, so as a result, one Russian officer of that group told me to join them in guarding line, where everybody were aweighting for someone to drive in. Ten minutes later, in the city's downtown appeared Soviet President Gorbachev, with his wife and gov't entrounage following him on foot, who just emerged from their gov't cars. They were headed toward the command center of the Soviet rescue teams operating in Spitak and its visinity. That day, Gorbachev was escorted by his gov't officials: Nikolay Rishkov, Slyunov and Secretary of the Armenia's Communist Party Suren Harutounyan with his officials from the Armenian gov't. As i was standing there in the military guard-line along with another Russians officer, Gorbachev aproached me and said: "Did you see what happened?". I, as I had nothing else to fear about (most of my family and relatives, over all 65 people were already dead as a result of this "Earthquake") replyed: "You know well what have happened. You, as well as mysylf know the true secret behind this disaster. Let the God be the judge for it, but let us talk about the fact that it is already the 4th day, where a whole nation of great people is subject to a big disaster in all mighty USSR, and nobody wants to think about it like it was supposed to happen. We, Armenians are Christian people and therefore cannot be burried without coffins. You have done so much damage already, at least do care about providing enough coffins to burry all these people". Our conversation lasted about 20 minutes, yet no newspaper in the Soviet Union despite many journalists being present at that moment wrote anything about this conversation, not even showed a picture of this incident. I also told Gorbachev that if such "Earthquake" as they called it have taken place in Turkey, Soviet Union would of rushed to help them, just to show the world how humane Soviet Union was. But to us, Armenians, no immediate help was shown by the Soviet gov't, only neighboring Georgians rushed in to help us, while the rest of the Soviet republics was weighting for the order to come from the Moscow, before they do so. After all what i said, Gorbachev didn't respond to me. But the next day, many thousands of coffins arrived to Armenia. That...he managed to organize. What Was Not Told In the mountains of Bazum (North Armenia, nier by the city Spitak), which was the epicenter of the "Earthquake", there were located inter-continental nuclear-balistic missles of the Soviet Union. They were kept in their underground silos, whose "push" button was inter-connected with other "push" buttons of Soviet nuclear missles through out the Soviet Union. The key to the main "push" button of this nuclear missles was kept in Moscow, in the hands of the Soviet President. The main enemy of the USSR was supposedly considered to be NATO, who had similar nuclear missles command-control system and nuclear missles enveloping the borders of USSR, based in NATO's allied countries. But the most dangerous NATO base was and is considered by Russia to be located in Turkey, where NATO also has its ground forces capable of taking over the Caucasian highland within minutes. Thus opening their way toward the Russian mainland. The reasons for such worry by Russians are the rail-road Kars-Gumry and high-way connecting Turkey and Armenia. Possibility of fast NATO ground troops advancement into Russia through the territory of Caucasia was seriously considered by the Soviet military establishment, therefore ways were found to cover such weaknes of the Soviet's Southern Flank. It was known that the total amounth of the Soviet's nuclear weapons was enough destroy half of the world 26 times, while the nuclear arsenal under NATO command was enough to destroy half of the world 24 times. In case of war, 15 minutes was enough for the nuclear missles launched by the NATO to reach their targets through out the Soviet Union. But nuclear missles attack by NATO from its bases in Turkey could hit their targets within seconds. So one of the ways that Soviet military establishment tried to re-inforce its nuclear leverage against NATO was attempted deployment of nuclear missles in Kuba, which Soviet president Krushev did, by almost triggering a nuclear confrontation with the United States, which could of ignited a WW-3, nuclear holocaust of the whole world. This operation was carried out with Fidel Castro's cooperation and approval. The tensions over Kuban missle crisis were watered down by active involvement of Anastas Mikoyan on behalf of the negotiating Soviet party. When Soviet submarines left American territorial waters, a political coope was carried out within Soviet Union's gov't, which ousted Nikite Krushev frim his powers. After the Kuban Crisis, the nuclear competition between Soviet Union and USA continued. The power of their weapons was showed off in Vietnam, as a result of which, USSR and USA continued their nuclear race, attaining capabilities of totally anahilating each other 30 times. As a result of such nuclear competition, Soviet military establishment designed designed a strategic, post-nuclear plan, called "A Few Hours After Nuclear War", which was to be used the following way: In case of the nuclear war, both waring parties will anahilate each other which was unavoidable, and after the climax, it is only the mobile ground forces will be the ones to determine how the war will end and who won the war. USSR had no chance of saving enough ground troops to fight the war after such event, but the NATO ground troops based in Turkey, had a chance to survive and continue the war on the ground. So in order to take care of that problem, next to the underground nuclear missles silos based in the mountains of Spitak, there were located a different type of a nuclear missles, with a smaller nuclear capasity designed to propell solid ground and explode underground, thus causing an artificial Earthquake equalent to 12.0 magnitude on the Richter Scale. Such "Eathquake" was able to destroy the Kars-Gumry rail-road and their connective high-ways, blocking any advancement opportunities by NATO troops from Turkey into the region, until they could find out who is dead and who is not, how many are dead and how many are not. Such missles were possible to be used by firing them from the aircrafts. About existance of such eath-quake causing missles was made known by Leonid Breshnev in his conversations with foreign leaders, where he tried to treath them into voluntarry submission to the Soviet Union. The idea of creating such weapons came to minds of the Soviet nuclear scientists during their underground nuclear experiments in Semipalatinsk (Khazakstan), where always underground nuclear explosions generated Earthquakes and major after shoks. Therefore knowledge gained from that is believed by many Armenians to have been practiced by the Soviet Union in Armenia, on December 7th, of 1988. The believed reason for this theory is the fact that the destruction of the Soviet Union was pre-arranged from its beginning, which started first by the Chernobil accident at the Chernobil nuclear power-station in Ukraine, then it was followed by the pre-arranged "Earthquake" in Armenia. Why in Armenia? Simply because the desintregation process of the Soviet Union was hoped to be carried out under controlled circumstances, which started by Gorbachev's famous Perestroyka and Glasnost reforms within the Soviet Union. But all of a sudden, unexpected to those behind the scenes, the public movements in Armenia for Democrasy and preservation of good ecological environment in Armenia started by the Armenian green party evolved into a public outburst of dissatisfaction with the Soviet system and its unjust patrition of Armenia through out the years, as a result of which Armenian territories of Kharabagh, Nakichevan and Javagkh were given to its neigbors, without Armenians's consent on it. This political and economical disatisfaction of Armenian people with the Soviet regime turned into public, mass demostrations, stikes and walk outs, done to make Soviet Union recognize Armenia's independence and re-unification of Kharabagh with Armenia. Thus, the cituation was getting out of the Soviet regime's controll, and therefore they believed that something was supposed to be done to stop Armenians from its national aspirations. Thus the nuclear disaster occured in Armenia, on December 7th, 1988. Many people through out the world wer told that the "Earthquake" was only 6.8 at the epicenter, and that many buildings collapses, killing thousands some 25,000 people by the Soviet estimates (while in reality it was over 40,000 people killed) and half million of people left homeless as a result of unproperly built buildings, and use of a low quality construction materials. That was a major lie, decimated by the Soviet propaganda machine, to "blind" all those who asked how come so many people were killed, if the "Earthquake" was not that strong to cause such damage. In fact, many buildings and structures were built with top technology available in the Soviet union, using the best quality materials available at that time, yet all of them collapsed on that tragic hour. Blaming the victims with the guilt of tragedy was and is practiced method of dissinformation and public opinion manipulation carried out by the Turkish gov't to deny the facts of Armenian Genocide that took place between 1915-1923 in the Ottoman Empire. But soon or later, people will find out the whole truth and documented facts about the so called Armenian "Earthquake" of 1988, no matter how hard the criminals will try to hyde it. But untill then it is worth to mention the following events that took place after the tragic disasterous moment,on December 7th, of 1988. The epicenter of the "Earthquake" was established to be located in the Spitak's mountaneous area, formerly known as Nalband, where according to the official Armenian Press report of that time, the magnitude of the "Earthquake" was 12.4 on the Richter Scale, while forgeting that the maximum number on the Richter Scale is only 12.0 Later on it was refuted. It was known that if the Earthquake magnitude was 12.0, then it would of followed by a volcanic explosion and bursting out lave, which never happened in Spitak. That shows that "Earthquake" of such magnitude didn't take place in Armenia, but it is worth to mention that all the earthquake seismograms printed by the Armenian seismographic stations were taken away by unknown security officials aproximately one hour later after the "Earthquake". Then, it was reported on Armenian gov't TV, that supposedly all the seimsmographic machines in Armenia were broken down into pieces, as a result of the "Earthquake" being to strong to handle. It is also worth to mention that in 1987, the Soviet Press reprorted of only 38 nuclear missles being present on the territory of the Armenian republic. Then, when later on, between 1989-1990, the soviet troops along with their weaopons and equipments except border troops were withdrawn from Armenian republic, it was reported that only 36 units of nuclear missles were removed. The question is what happened with the other 2 nuclear missles? Besides, the Armenian "Earthquake" of 1988 was felt by having the whole ground shaken 2 times also. Was it a coicidence??? During the "Earhquake" a very loud noice was heard through out the country, even in Yerevan,which sounded like a major explosion or some type of misle/s being fired. What that noice could of been, when naturally, during true Earthquake, such noice is not heard. The whole "Earthquake" desaster had very much political movivations. The whoel process of triggering the desintegration of the Soviet Union was designed to be carried out by the artificial "Kharabagh Movement", which suddenly grew in proportions and became a national-liberational struggle of Armenians against the Soviet opression and historical injustice toward Armenians, to gain independence and reunification of Artsakh (Kharabagh) with mother Armenia. The whole stuggle incorporated millions of Armenians inside the republic and abroad, starting from the kids to very old adults. Millions of Armenians through out the world got involved, and for those who started the disintegration of Soviet Union it was already to late to brake the course of history, since same events like a domino effect took hold in all other 15 Soviet Republics. The movers and shakers behind the scenes lost their controll over the events taking place in Armenia, so as a result Armenian "Earthquake" was enjineered to brake the national moral and aspirations of Armenian people for freedom, independence and reclaimation of its justly rights to its historical lands, artificially put under Azery controll (Kharabagh and Nakhichevan) in 1921-1923, by Stalin and Lenin. As a continuation of enslaving Armenian people by the powers behind the scenes, famous Armenian national leaders, political and military figures got assasinated between 1991-1996. The quick presence of Michael Gorbachev in the city of Spitak, who that day was visiting USA, which he cut short to run back to Armenia was like of a behavior made by criminals, who are usually the first ones present on their crime scene, thinking that their presence will sway away the suspecion of their involvement in the crime. On that day, December 10th, during his meeting with Armenian people in Spitak, Gorbachev yelled in rage: "What kind of people are they? They still speak about Kharabagh!?", his rage was followed by an astonishing phrase, "Wasn't this enough for you!!!???" In 1989, in Moscow, during the all soviet Communist Party convention, Armenian female deputy, Ludmila Haroutunyan in her speech referred to now former, then current Defense Ministr of Soviet Union, Marshal Yazov with the following questions: -"Marshal Yazov, when did you arrive to the Disaster Zone, before the EXPLOSION or after" to which Marshal Yazov replied: -"Two hours after the EXPLOSION". The whole meeting participants were shocked to hear him confirm that what took place in Armenia was not an Earthquake but a "mysterious" EXPLOSION. A couple seconds later, Marshal Yazov coming to his senses changed his previous reply and said: -"No,No, two hours after the 'Earthquake' ". To Marshal Yazov respond, deputy Ludmila Haroutounyan replied: -"How did you happen to manage coming to Spitak from Moscow in 2 hours, when first before arriving to Spitak, your plane would of made landing in Tbilisi (Georgia), or Yerevan (Armenia), before you reached Spitak and that is only in 1.5 ours later, after your landing that you could of reached Spitak !???" Obviously, the whole trip would of lasted more than 2 hours before arriving to Spitak and right there, the biggest criminal Michael Gorbachev, who was presiding over the meeting, turned off Armenian deputy's microfon, cutting her short from further quesitoning the Soviet leaders. So now, what can you say Accademicians of the world, who keep insisting that what happened in Armenia, on December 7th, of 1988 was only a natural disaster ??? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Former Azeri Official Confesses in the Crimes of the Former Azeri Leadership -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KGB Officer Claims Azerbaijani Scientists Had Role in Tectonic Weapon Program -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4 May 2001 Baku Zerkalo Subslug: Interview with Akif Gasanov, former KGB intelligence officer, by R. Mirkadyrov; place and date not given: "Azerbaijanis Developed Tectonic Weapon -- And May Even Have Tested It in the FinalYears of the Soviet Union" [FBIS Translated Text] Much has been written about tectonic weapons. Most scientists assert to this day that it is impossible at present to build such a weapon.But the secrets of the Soviet Union were best known by the KGB. Lieutenant Colonel Akif Gasanov, professional intelligence officer in the state security service, confirms that the military-industrial complex of the former Soviet Union was actively engaged in the development of tectonic weapons in the mid-1980s.We are even more amazed to learn that Azerbaijani scientists were actively involved in this work. [Mirkadyrov] Akif-Bey, how did it come about that you, an ordinary KGB operative, learned about the development of such a secret weapon? [Gasanov] I became aware of this subject quite by accident in 1985. I was working in the Second Department (counterintelligence) in the linear branch of Western espionage.I needed some new assistants to "set up" foreign diplomats. We would usually select these people from among intellectuals who were of interest to the Western special services. Preferably they knew English and were able to readily establish contacts but did not in fact have access to classified information.Since ours was a linear branch, I had no servicing objectives. [Mirkadyrov] For us mere mortals, could you explain what you mean by a "linear branch"? [Gasanov] We conducted operations by objective and by functional area. For example, enterprises of strategic and defense significance comprised objectives for operational servicing and were run by certain divisions.At the same time, there were linear divisions that operated by functional area.For example, activities against the NATO countries, activities against currency violations, etc. [Mirkadyrov]So how did you happen to come upon the developers of tectonic weapons? [Gasanov]During a general sweep I conducted of operations and information aggregates, I wound up at one of the institutes of the Academy of Sciences. When entirely by chance I set up an operational site there, I saw that this elicited great displeasure from the department that was servicing this objective. But our division had higher priority, and this settled the dispute. Some time later I transferred to intelligence and wound up in Moscow.Then I returned to Baku.In 1984 I continued my service in a division of NTR (Scientific-Technical Intelligence) under the direction of that ace of Azerbaijani intelligence, Colonel Shamil Kasumovich Suleymanov,who would become the NTR agent of the First Main Directorate (Intelligence) of the USSR KGB in Sweden. At that time, our division was operationally servicing the intelligence line of the Academy of Sciences.I had no involvement with it, however, since I was working in a linear functional area and was engaged not in information collection,but rather in the study, cultivation, and recruitment of persons of intelligence interest. One day I received a phone call from a source with whom I had worked when I was in counterintelligence at the division of the Academy of Sciences mentioned earlier.In general, it should be noted that an operative and a source often develop a relationship whereby they continue to have contacts, even many years after the operational aspect of the relationship has ended. So we met. [Mirkadyrov] Is it really possible that an intelligence officer would be permitted to meet with his "sources," if that is the correct expression, after the cessation of an operational relationship? [Gasanov]People are people.Basic human behavior is not alien to us.This may surprise you, but the KGB relied mainly on dealings with people in pursuing its activity.We therefore had special training in psychology and the moral-psychological traits of certain categories of people and even specific ethnic groups.The organization allocated great weight to the human factor. We were obliged to meet with people if only because any dealings with them might reveal aspects affecting matters of state security.True,when we met with an active source, we had to inform the headquarters. [Mirkadyrov]And what did your source tell you with respect to tectonic weapons that was so unusual? [Gasanov]The information I received seemed fantastic. Certain scientists at the Academy of Sciences were working on problems associated with earthquakes.There was a certain Ikram Kerimov and a group of his associates, the most notable of whom was Dzhafar Dzhafarov, son of Khady Dzhafarov, the well known AzINEFTEKhIM [Azerbaijani Petrochemical Institute] professor. Ikram Kerimov asserted that they could control and initiate earthquakes.Moreover, he said they had theoretical justification for their assertions and were attempting to obtain minimal financing in the academic sphere.In their opinion, there were grounds to believe that a number of earthquakes that had occurred recently may well have been initiated through a remote control device or accidentally triggered directional influence on the Earth's core. Because of his assertions, Ikram Kerimov was considered by the Academy of Sciences to be a somewhat weird scientist,to put it mildly,and his laboratory was virtually on the brink of closure. We collected materials that might prove factually relevant, then drew up and submitted our report to the center. [Mirkadyrov] And what was the reaction? [Gasanov]It would usually take a month or more to process information.On this occasion, however, we received a conclusion very quickly.The assessment was fairly high for internal USSR information.It was treated as intelligence information.There was an immediate request to prepare the most extensive possible analytical reference package on the material and send it to the VPK (military-industrial complex). As a result of VPK study, a very high assessment was given.Scientists were then brought to Moscow to elaborate the subject matter.According to main information, an outstanding environment was created for them.They were afforded almost unlimited financing and the ability to conduct experiments. Following the collapse of the Soviet Union, however, this subject area was forgotten in Azerbaijan. I never heard mention of Ikram Kerimov after that.As far as Dzhafar Dzhafarov is concerned, his name was mentioned in an article on artificial earthquakes that was published about five years ago in the newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda.The article also asserted that he had taken up permanent residence in South Africa. [Mirkadyrov] What about the application of tectonic weapons? [Gasanov] In the late 1980s, a series of earthquakes took place encompassing a vast territory -- from India to Central Asia. Accusations of the use of tectonic weapons and directed towards the Soviet Union appeared in the Western press at that time.Our scientists who had participated in the development of tectonic weapons declined to give a response to all questions dealing with the nature of these earthquakes. I read anarticle once in the newspaper Zerkalo to the effect that all this talk about artificial earthquakes is absolute nonsense.Perhaps the newspaper has more trustworthy information.I will boldly state, however, that if Azerbaijani scientists were not the originators of some discovery, there is no doubt but that they participated most actively in the development of this subject area. The names of various scientists who predict earthquakes are cited quite often today, but believe me, no one in our day knew better than our scientists when and where one would occur. Let me also say that due to the specific nature of our work, it is only by virtue of this discussion that our scientists will become aware of our cooperative effort in this area, and of our very existence.We are not personally acquainted with them.I hope that they will perceive this mention of them as gratitude. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source:www.angelfire.com/hi/Azgaser/index.html
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  17. Where do I find information about youth camps, or volenteer campagaigns in armenia? Does AGBU have Summer Camps in Armenia?
  18. www.umich.edu/~kelseydb/Exhibits/DangerousArchaeology/MainDangerous.html
  19. Dear Taguhi and Armenians Diana is 1/64th armenian She is, weither you agree or not!!! Ad I'v heard myself whe I was younger that the inventor of colour tv was an armenian, along with an american. Like when they give the Nobel prize in medicin to USA when russian had come up with the same formula 10 years earlier!
  20. IN MEMORY OF BEAUTY: www.hal-pc.org/~questers/PARADJANOV.html
  21. quote:Originally posted by ara baliozian: P.S. /Tuesday, June 26, 2001 ******************************* If you read any American newspaper or pundit or watch a debate on American TV, you will observe that all Americans are critical of some aspects of American life and politics. An Armenian by the name of Avedis Deournian (writing under the pen name John Roy Carlson) published a big book during World War II in which he described many fascist organizations (including the ARF) active within the United States. One could write a similar book today. On the day all the tribes of the Middle East are democratized, you will be astonished to discover that the Arabs will be as critical of their own leadership as the Americans; and what’s even more important for all Arabs everywhere, Arab leaders will enjoy more prestige and power in the world, including the United States. But as long as Arabs allow themselves to be bullied into subservience by petty little despots, they will be loathed by all men of goodwill, common sense and decency, including Arabs themselves. What prevents Arabs from democratizing today? What else but fear of criticism. Surely, of all forms of cowardice, the worst is fear of criticism. We all criticize one another on this forum. So what? The sky doesn’t fall around us. The world does not come to an end. At worst our ego or self-esteem is slightly damaged: a small price to pay if the result is an enhanced understanding of reality and the acquisition of a more objective and balanced view of ourselves in the world in which we live. And you say that arabs are not critical of their goverment and their leadership?How would you know ?? The biggest thief is US who can't stand beeing critizied. The country who gives You critic would end up as a country with it's cities and high technology destroyed. A good example is Jugoslavia and Irak.
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