wh00t Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Thorny Rose:Yours was prejudiced, dry, and riff-raff...Prejudiced? To suggest that a marriage between a Turk and an Armenian may not fare well on either side of the family is prejudiced? Yavru, I suggest you go to the pharmacist and fill your prescription for two healthy doses of reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThornyRose Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 quote:Originally posted by wh00t:Prejudiced? To suggest that a marriage between a Turk and an Armenian may not fare well on either side of the family is prejudiced? Yavru, I suggest you go to the pharmacist and fill your prescription for two healthy doses of reality.Yes, it is prejudiced. The very presumption that every family is like yours is prejudice enough.You tried to burst my bubble; I'll burst yours.You still haven't answered my question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elovna Posted September 9, 2001 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 quote:Originally posted by wh00t:Prejudiced? To suggest that a marriage between a Turk and an Armenian may not fare well on either side of the family is prejudiced? Yavru, I suggest you go to the pharmacist and fill your prescription for two healthy doses of reality.Everyones reality is different and reality changes every day. Anythings is possible, life can be wonderful and love can be very powerful.Doesn't the pharmacist also sell anti-depressives? You could try that, maybe it will help you see things in a different light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThornyRose Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Aghtchik:Everyones reality is different and reality changes every day. Anythings is possible, life can be wonderful and love can be very powerful.Yeah, that's the spirit!Poor little pessimists, how they patronize! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wh00t Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 A Turk on one hand, an Armenian on the other.. both naive and oblivious to the world around them. It is one thing to be a pessimist, and another to be a realist. The outlooks of both philosophies are often mutally interchangable, that's a given, because hey... contrary to what you two believe, the world isn't all sunshine, flowers, and lollipops. You can continue to live in your dreamworld, or you can choose to see things the way they are. Your choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThornyRose Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 quote:Originally posted by wh00t:A Turk on one hand, an Armenian on the other.. both naive and oblivious to the world around them. It is one thing to be a pessimist, and another to be a realist. The outlooks of both philosophies are often mutally interchangable, that's a given, because hey... contrary to what you two believe, the world isn't all sunshine, flowers, and lollipops. You can continue to live in your dreamworld, or you can choose to see things the way they are. Your choice.You have some nerve to call me naive and oblivious to the world. Go back and read my "story" - most of the things I wrote there were reiterations of your own crap.Realistic?? YOU??If you were realistic, you would have taken my point regarding outright generalizations and working on elevating that 11% to 55%.Come on, I'm waiting, damn it - how am I your inferior?? Be real yourself, eh?Same shit everywhere, no matter what the nationality. Cornered? Just attack the credibility of the other, "Be realistic"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wh00t Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 quote: Originally posted by Thorny Rose:You have some nerve to call me naive and oblivious to the world. Go back and read my "story" - most of the things I wrote there were reiterations of your own crap.Realistic?? YOU??I'm sorry, but if you can sit there and honestly try to tell me that a Turko-Armenian marriage would not be frowned upon by anyone, then yes, you are naive and oblivious to the world. I can't speak for Turks, but for many Armenians, marrying someone of the other race (odar) is not a good thing. Before you launch your whole generalization schpeil on me, I suggest you read the posts in this very forum.. one even wrote a message about killing an odar man who was going to take an Armenian girl away from us. But joining a Turk and Armenian would without a doubt trigger the worst response among Armenians when it comes to odar marriages. Marriage of an Armenian girl to a Turkish man must be the worst of them all, as it brings back painful memories of Armenian girls who were forced to do that (and convert to Islam) in the 1910's and beyond. You see, we've had the displeasure of having our population artificially reduced, almost to the point of extinction... you can see why preservation of our race is important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThornyRose Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 quote:Originally posted by wh00t:I'm sorry, but if you can sit there and honestly try to tell me that a Turko-Armenian marriage would not be frowned upon by anyone, then yes, you are naive and oblivious to the world. I can't speak for Turks, but for many Armenians, marrying someone of the other race (odar) is not a good thing. Before you launch your whole generalization schpeil on me, I suggest you read the posts in this very forum.. one even wrote a message about killing an odar man who was going to take an Armenian girl away from us. But joining a Turk and Armenian would without a doubt trigger the worst response among Armenians when it comes to odar marriages. Marriage of an Armenian girl to a Turkish man must be the worst of them all, as it brings back painful memories of Armenian girls who were forced to do that (and convert to Islam) in the 1910's and beyond. You see, we've had the displeasure of having our population artificially reduced, almost to the point of extinction... you can see why preservation of our race is important.I do not care what you say. None of what happened in history will give you the right to gobble about Thorny and an Armenian man coming together.I am not aware of anyone who will seriously frown if I were to make such a decision and absolutely nobody and nothing could get in my way.That said, and generalization put aside, you actually condone the killing of other people because they decide they would like to make their own choices?OK, then, f.u.c.k. it, let me be naive and oblivious - those that advocate such are BARBARIANS. They are no different than the ones that kill their own kin who choose to convert to another religion, even another sect, because "our ancestors suffered so much to protect their faith," and even I get the same shit because I am an atheist; I am reminded that our people fought the War of Liberation for their faith, boo boo boo, what I am doing is betrayal, boo hoo hoo. Stiff crap! I am FREE, and I opt to view those struggles as fight for freedom - of their own and mine.It is your own incompetence if you can't tell the difference between rape and a grown-up's choice!Come on, Twoot - where is the list of things that make me your inferior? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wh00t Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Thorny Rose:I do not care what you say. None of what happened in history will give you the right to gobble about Thorny and an Armenian man coming together.I am not aware of anyone who will seriously frown if I were to make such a decision and absolutely nobody and nothing could get in my way.Like I said, Turks may not see this issue in the same light as Armenians. In fact, some probably encourage marrying Armenians. I know of a woman in my grandparents' apartment complex who is actively seeking an Armenian wife for her son. Go figure.That said, and generalization put aside, you actually condone the killing of other people because they decide they would like to make their own choices? OK, then, f.u.c.k. it, let me be naive and oblivious - those that advocate such are BARBARIANS. They are no different than the ones that kill their own kin who choose to convert to another religion, even another sect, because "our ancestors suffered so much to protect their faith," and even I get the same shit because I am an atheist; I am reminded that our people fought the War of Liberation for their faith, boo boo boo, what I am doing is betrayal, boo hoo hoo. Stiff crap! I am FREE, and I opt to view those struggles as fight for freedom - of their own and mine.It is your own incompetence if you can't tell the difference between rape and a grown-up's choice!Don't put words in my mouth, yavrum. It wasn't me who spoke of killing the odar man.. and I certainly didn't condone the idea.If you wish to ignore your heritage and seek a foreign mate, well so be it. But don't call me prejudiced when I suggest some people will frown upon it. Hell, you admit yourself that people are prodding you for being atheist! So what's the problem? I guess you feel compelled to disagree with whatever the evil Armenian wh00t says, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThornyRose Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 My being prodded for being an atheist IS a problem, Twoot. I do not deny that there will be brown-nosers. What I defy is them AND the way YOU say things, especially in that story in which I did not hesitate to involve myself. You were not just trying to spoil my fun, Twoot. Twoot - the list? How am I your inferior? Are you just a "boş konuşan"? Do you feel compelled to ignore my requests because they make you uncomfortable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 Thorny, I like you man! Turk? why not, as far as you write silly things about armenians Allaha usmarladuk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThornyRose Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 quote:Originally posted by dragon:why not, as far as you write silly things about armeniansEstağfirullah. You're cool, too...Unlike this Twoot, who is so uncool that he would also likely spoil the fun out of a Halloween party... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 I'm Dragon for all times and everywhere Hayur! vaz gechmem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wh00t Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 I did not hesitate to involve myself. You were not just trying to spoil my fun, Twoot. And YOU were just trying to take cheap shots at me through your sub-par bastardization of Little Red Riding Hood. Twoot - the list? How am I your inferior? Are you just a "boş konuşan"? You tell me.. I'm not the one so appalled by my people that I must hang around in Armenian message forums. Ey valla! [ September 09, 2001: Message edited by: wh00t ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 Whoot my friend,Why to take Rosa seriously . What ''she'' wrote is out of sense . Not even humor . Dapag martu nerashkharh, hamuda anham desagen. As one of armenian saying Kendi dushen aghlamaz iki gyozu bir delikden chkhar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThornyRose Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 quote:Originally posted by wh00t:I did not hesitate to involve myself. You were not just trying to spoil my fun, Twoot.And YOU were just trying to take cheap shots at me through your sub-par bastardization of Little Red Riding Hood.Twoot, the "fun" I am talking about is the original story - not Little Red Riding Hood. As for that, YOU asked for it - you acted like as much a jack-ass could when telling people who celebrate the new millenium on the eve of the year 2000 that, oh, they actually have another year to wait for! quote:Originally posted by wh00t:Twoot - the list? How am I your inferior? Are you just a "boş konuşan"? You tell me.. I'm not the one so appalled by my people that I must hang around in Armenian message forums. Ey valla!Baloney... I am not appalled by my people.Twoot - your justifications for your claims of my being your inferior? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThornyRose Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 quote:Originally posted by dragon:Whoot my friend,Why to take Rosa seriously . What ''she'' wrote is out of sense . Not even humor . Dapag martu nerashkharh, hamuda anham desagen.As one of armenian saying Kendi dushen aghlamaz iki gyozu bir delikden chkhar Please elaborate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elovna Posted September 9, 2001 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 quote:Originally posted by wh00t:A Turk on one hand, an Armenian on the other.. both naive and oblivious to the world around them. Why not, looks harmless to me. Nice subject for a movie. quote:the world isn't all sunshine, flowers, and lollipops. You can continue to live in your dreamworld, or you can choose to see things the way they are. Your choice.Knowing by experience that the world isn't all sunshine doesn't necessarily need to result in giving up hope, WhOOt. But as you say, it's your choice. I prefer to stay optimistical for a little while longer. There is a Dutch saying "hope makes you live". I don't see anything wrong with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elovna Posted September 9, 2001 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 quote:Originally posted by wh00t:I'm sorry, but if you can sit there and honestly try to tell me that a Turko-Armenian marriage would not be frowned upon by anyone, then yes, you are naive and oblivious to the world. What's so important about who else will frown upon it. It seems to me that YOU are frowning upon it. quoteI can't speak for Turks, but for many Armenians, marrying someone of the other race (odar) is not a good thing. Are you asked to officially speak for many Armenians? If not, I wish you would limit yourself to only speak for yourself. quote:Before you launch your whole generalization schpeil on me, I suggest you read the posts in this very forum.. one even wrote a message about killing an odar man who was going to take an Armenian girl away from us. But joining a Turk and Armenian would without a doubt trigger the worst response among Armenians when it comes to odar marriages. Marriage of an Armenian girl to a Turkish man must be the worst of them all, as it brings back painful memories of Armenian girls who were forced to do that (and convert to Islam) in the 1910's and beyond. You see, we've had the displeasure of having our population artificially reduced, almost to the point of extinction... you can see why preservation of our race is important.HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!What is this, heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp! Someone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Am I going to marry in to a racist community or what?????????????Will any Armenian who doesn't want to be represented by WhOOt here PLEASE stand up NOW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThornyRose Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Aghtchik:Knowing by experience that the world isn't all sunshine doesn't necessarily need to result in giving up hope, WhOOt. But as you say, it's your choice. I prefer to stay optimistical for a little while longer. There is a Dutch saying "hope makes you live". I don't see anything wrong with that.Yeah, like with the kind of "advice" he is trying to give here, about sun-shine and flowers and lollipops, you would think he is talking to a kid, telling him to smarten up and accept the responsibilities of life, that his parents will not always be around to help him or something - instead, you have someone going yak yak yak because he likes it, and then he tries to justify it.He plain screwed a harmless story! I'll bet he also tells his 5-year-old kids that Santa Claus doesn't exist because rein-deer can't fly!Moreover, he succumbs to public opinion regarding spouses from another community - the more you succumb, the more they will feel justified to bully you! Resist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wh00t Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 quote:Originally posted by dragon:Whoot my friend,Why to take Rosa seriously . What ''she'' wrote is out of sense . Not even humor . Dapag martu nerashkharh, hamuda anham desagen.As one of armenian saying Kendi dushen aghlamaz iki gyozu bir delikden chkhar I know my friend dragon, but I feel I must reply to the nonsense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elovna Posted September 9, 2001 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 quote:Originally posted by wh00t:I know my friend dragon, but I feel I must reply to the nonsense! Ohhhhmmmhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaohhhhhhhaaaa.... spoken like a real man, twooty, I bet you have plenty of hair on your chest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 I have not mentioned your name, have I? Why this insecurity? Something wrong deep inside? Supporting or not supporting one’s marriage is one thing, and not intervening is another. Long time ago I have gone to an Armenian Church in LA and Detroit. I have seen a lot of Turkish faces looking unpleasantly at Philipino wives. I don’t see where have I raised uproar on the subject. Do you? [ September 09, 2001: Message edited by: MJ ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wh00t Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 I have not mentioned your name, have I? Why this insecurity? Something wrong deep inside? You know very well that it was a cheap shot, MJ... and you're continuing with this post. I don’t see where have I raised uproar on the subject. Do you? I didn't mean you were the one who raised uproar on the subject.. it was a general comment concerning mainly me, Thorny, and Akhchig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 Aghtchik jan,don't even think about all those nonsense, go and marry the one you love. Life is too short for love and too long for loneliness and without love But first think about my previous posted advice and you will not regret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.