What is the attraction of black men?

[ThornyRose]

LOL! XLNT!

[nairakev]

Berj,
That's smth surprising. I'm interested in knowing more! Where do you mean "rabiz" Armenian men are on the verge of becoming a major sexual attraction?

[Kazza]

Well, it's true! they need somewhere to go after a long, hard, day, and they need to be private

[nairakev]

Poor guy! LOL
All in one is terrific! What a catch!
Actually it is smth that can be called the ideal lover, so far?

[ May 30, 2001: Message edited by: naira ]

[Berj]

Well Naira,

You said: "So if you have decided to marry a "traditional" armenian man, called in ancient times "rabiz", profit from all men's experience before engaging yourself in a long-lasting sexual slavery."

This implies that traditional Armenian men treat women like slaves, right? Taking into account that sexual slavery is a popular sex game in the West (I think you must be aware of this) I concluded that traditional Armenian men (who, as you have said, treat women like slaves) will enjoy popularity.

I don't see anything surprising here...

[nairakev]

Berj,
I don't see anything in common between a man of armenian origin and a "traditional" armenian man, called in ancient times "rabiz".
Please, look that the words "traditional" and "rabiz" are in quotes. I did intentionaly separated the words traditional and armenian.
Because these words cannot coexist, since we are talking about general armenian manhood. If will take men of armenian origin by their geographic location, I'm quiet sure they will reflect the men of their region. Which means French armenians will most likely be alike the Frenchmen, Russian armenians will be as Russians, Turkish armenians will be as Turkish men in general. I'm not talking about individual cases. I'm saying that each man reflects the sexual behaviour according to the society in which he grew up as a male.
Talking about "rabiz" Armenians, they came from Armenia. This "movement" was born in Soviet Armenia. And their behaviour reflects actualy (in part) the education, cultural atmosphere in the society of Soviet Armenians. This behaviour turned into a well-polished cliché of modern Armenian "neanderthal". Rabiz are mostly men who stood for "patriarchaism" and wiped out women issues from their family agenda's. Women was a possibility for them to be reproduced and take care of their well-being during their existence. I would say rabiz men are sort of "fundamentalist" armenian patriots, who beleive that being armenian stands for "being an armenian man" first of all and keep reproducing by all means. That's why for them actually the importance of male child is crucial. They areextremely unhappy when during their life, they didn't succeed to have a "son". I can't explain you what does mean "rabiz" for me, better than with this example of their "reproduction" dilema. I can't see a man giving so much importance to the birth of its "male child", be able to love a woman for what she is.

That's why I call it sexual slavery. Because, most of women, who got married with "rabiz" idiots, are there only for one reason. Take care of their reproduction and well-being.

Berj,
For me there is a huge difference between sexual games and sharing everyday life with somebody.
I think sexual games in genre "La Maitresse et ses esclaves" are funny and delicious. And there are so many unexplored games yet to discover.
Comparing these games with marriage to a "rabiz" guy are just a "bad taste". Well I forgot as well, to mention, another specific caracteristic of a "rabiz" guy it is his amount of "bad tastes". They are known to have plenty of them.

[Berj]

Naira,

I am from:Armenia for already 26 years. And some of my friends and relatives are "rabiz" as well.



...and also these "rabiz" idiots constitute 90% of your motherlands army.



I don't speak French but I can assure you (after studying this matter in Egyptian, Indian, Greek, Roman, Bysantian, Chinese, French history) there are no unexplored sexual games to be discovered unless the discovery is connected with the advance of modern technology (for example online sex).
The man-type you call "rabiz" has existed thoughout history, exists now, and will exist in the future everywhere around the globe. And you don't have a right to call them idiots.

[nairakev]

I am from:Armenia for already 26 years. And some of my friends and relatives are "rabiz" as well.

I understand. Me too. But I'm not obliged to approve their behaviour.

 

...and also these "rabiz" idiots constitute 90% of your motherlands army.

90%? You have a very good impression of Armenian militaries, actually! Your count seems to me a bit inflated. The real percentage is much higher, I think.

 

I don't speak French but I can assure you (after studying this matter in Egyptian, Indian, Greek, Roman, Bysantian, Chinese, French history) there are no unexplored sexual games to be discovered unless the discovery is connected with the advance of modern technology (for example online sex).

If you have had experienced a dime of what you have looked through your "research" books, I doubt that you would state the bullshit above. Sorry! I can't agree...

 

The man-type you call "rabiz" has existed thoughout history, exists now, and will exist in the future everywhere around the globe. And you don't have a right to call them idiots.

I loved this the most. Actually you seem to be a "rabiz", Berj!

[MosJan]

Naira jan

 

Nax yev arach vorpes barekam xndranq unem qez, Yek tsenzurayi sahamnerum mnanq, barerin ushadrutyun dartsnenq.

Iyster kan nayev Anchapahas masnakitsner...

Naxapes Shnorhakal em

 

- Sireli Hayuhi JAN inchu pitakner paqtsnenk Hye tramardun ??? yev inchu qajalrel Hye knoj@ yev Axchnaknerin OTAR Azgi het vorevitse tesaki intim kaperi mej linelu ???

Inch patahets Hye tramardun ??? inchu e Hye tramard@ iyskan vat vijakum Dzer Achqerum ???

Hye Tramard@ darstel e Patuhas Hye Knoj glxin ??? Darstel enk poshi ? vochnchutyun ???

chgitem te du vor ter es yev ovker en shrjapatum qez, yev inchu iyskan "atelutyun" kam Antisimpatya ?.

Barekams - Sireli HAyuhi ushadir nayir shurj@t, Hye Tramard@ mnum e Tramard Baris Boon imastov.

Mi qani taptpukner@ HAy tramardu Standart@ chen nerkayatsnum .

Hima kases inchi vat Hye tramard chka ? - KAN inchu che isk gyur ka vor shun chunena ??? sakayn da teri chi talsi voch mekin vor @endharnatsni yev voroakavori mez Hye Tramardkants tarber anunerov -

 

kuzes vorakavorir rabiz kuzes qarandzavi mard sakayn Mi moratsir jans n@ranq el Hye knoj zavakner en ... yev pturn el tsarist heru chi @enknum ...Yev inchu eq iyskan BRAK tvel

 

Yek ch@voravorenk mimyants yev chmorananq vor Tramardu PAtiv@ ir knoj dzerkn e - yev Hye kin@ prtselov iren yev ir marmin@ prtsum e nayev Hye tramardu anun@ ,inch yerav ? Kortsrel enk mer partqi zgatsmunq@ inqners mer handep ? te ov inch k@lzi yev inch kani da im gorts@ chi, sakayn yek chmorananq te ov enq menk , yete arden isk voroshner@ moratsel en tqel yev urish janaparh gtel da urish harts e astavts irenst het Asum en azat yerkir e yev Andz@ azat e ir @entrutyan mej , menq el mer glxi jar@ k@tesnenk vorpes traditsyonal Hye tramard Tradisyonal Hye knoj yev axchikneri het, yev portsenk mnal "Traditsyonal"

qanzi voch lzum enk voch el l@za.....

 

Yes iys Forum@ @endunum em inchpes im Ojax@, Yekeq maqur Pahenk , qanzi sa menak mez hamar che yev menak menq chenk vor kardum enk iys nyuter@,

 

BArekams Husov em indz jisht haskatsaq , yerevi terin che im vrdovmunq@ sakayn Sirt@s sa e teladrum ...

 

Movses

[nairakev]

MosJan,

I didn't understand all of what you have written. It's very tiresome for eyes to get the meaning of armenian words typed in latin letters. But from what I understood, I can't agree with the point about the 'junior' members. I think my purposes will be most likely best understood by junior members than by many seniors over here.

 

I hoped that people with whom I discuss here did not feel offended by my purposes. I did my best to follow the spirit of online discussions. "Never insult your oponent according to your personal preferences." I'm aware of the "controversy" of most subjects discussed in this thread. But I'd rather quit discussing these subjects than hang on 'Parev-Pari louys, jans' threads.

 

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P.S. I thought these discussions are 'senior' free! (just kidding, relax!)

[Berj]

But you can leave them alone, right.



Maybe.



OK, name me a recently discovered sexual game, which had not been discovered during ancient Greek or Indian civilizations for instance. Tomorrow, I'll provide you with a URL where you can enlighten yourself about the findings of archaeological excavations in the Roman town of Pompei. I don't have it handy now.



By YOUR discription of "rabiz" several posts ago, which surprisingly concerns only men, only Armenian men from Armenia, and specifically their treatment of women, I may be called a half-"rabiz". Despite of the fact that the term "rabiz" was born in Armenia, representatives of this human-type are present in all nations, and in both sexes.
Let me give you another definition of "rabiz". In case of Armenian girls for example, that would be the representatives of the petty bourgeois type (what you call "mesh'anka" in Russian). That's the hidden type of the "rabiz", the psychological "rabiz", which behaves like a high class but in reality is inconsiderate and empty inside.

[nairakev]

But you can leave them alone, right.

I can. The question is rather, why should I?

 

Tomorrow, I'll provide you with a URL where you can enlighten yourself about the findings of archaeological excavations in the Roman town of Pompei. I don't have it handy now.

 

Berj,

I sincerely doubt that the archeological findings in the Roman town of Pompei, will enlighten my sexual freedom. Though, I do not exclude such a delightful happening.

 

What I'm sure of one thing is that you really see no difference between exploring one's sexual games and exploring mankind's sexual experience.

 

OK, name me a recently discovered sexual game, which had not been discovered during ancient Greek or Indian civilizations for instance.

OK! Name me what is discovered already. And tell me, please, what d'you call a sexual game, what is the definition of sexual game?

 

By YOUR discription of "rabiz" several posts ago, which surprisingly concerns only men, only Armenian men from Armenia, and specifically their treatment of women, I may be called a half-"rabiz".

 

We were talking about men, Berj!

So the men, "black men", are actually the subject of this thread. And we started from there. And I'd love to keep talking about men.

Berj, do you consider you self a half-rabiz?

What the hell is a half-rabiz. What is supposed to do other half. I enjoy talking to you. You make me laugh. Sorry! ..."half-rabiz"...what is next?

[THOTH]

Naria/TR - You go girls!

 

Some of us men have actualy progressed beyond the 19th century. (we are PN - post neandertal). One of the reasons the neandertal "failed" was they were unable to change/adapt. (some of us still have a little neandertal in our genetics I think). Well - we are changing - as a people & our culture(s) - whether "they" like it or not. Could we stop such even if we wished? (only by Genocide [gendercide?] perhaps)... Those who are "Rabiz' (whatever), in our time, are I think the same types who would have no moral problems with owning slaves and who would tend to be more likely racist in general (IMO). I find the idea that it is OK (perhaps even encouraged) for men to be promiscuous and enjoy sexual freedoms and for women to somehow have to play by different (incredibly more constrictive) rules (or be called whore...or be stoned to death, be a victim of "honor" killing etc) very primitive and evidence of a mentality stuck in the past. Yes, as with all things, there are reasons why at one time this arrangement developed (etc) - but it has lived on way past its usefulness. No one can convince me that women should have any less rights or freedoms as people then men - in any manner - nor should expressing such be reason for shunning or worse.

 

Well perhaps I am wrong - no? I mean the Bible/Koran tells us so....maybe women don't deserve the right to vote/equal say in court/ability to own property/freedom to orgasm as they choose etc. God is a man right? and might makes right... etc. "We" have the power - why should we give it up?

[nairakev]

THOTH,
This "holly" literature was written by men.
Actually, that has no importance. I don't think what was written by men actually should be preserved from doubt.
The question is that we had brought up generations of men and women from that starting point - "Bible/Koran/etc."

It should take the double amount of time to change minds. Today I'm glad, but not happy, with the fact that there are actually societies, where woman can live the way she wants. I wish it was everywhere. Look what goes on in Iran, Afghanistan, Turkey, in Armenia, Georgia, as well.
Women are still considered to be there only for men's reproduction.
I mean women are segragated sexually. And the only way to beat the "monster" is to be a monster for while.

In Netherlands, some feminist organisations stood up for women right by calling women to march in the streets and undress their chest. Many women where shouting "Let's free our tits!"

Knowing the Dutch, I'm sure it didn't make much of a shock. It was just funny way to manifest.

Imagine in Yerevan, women manifesting the same way, I'm not taking an example for Afghanistan anymore.

Some men will say, yeah, but this was in the Netherlands. They are Dutch. Difference of tradition and mentality.

Yeah, but they came to it after centuries of battle.

I'm a modern-time human being. I care less about my sex. I care for freedom. And I'm not willing to wait centuries to see Armenian people change. I made my choice I live abroad. Should all women have to migrate? Because they want the same right as men. I don't mean the rights listed in the consitution.

We have plenty of them since Bolshevism. But what about "unwritten rights". What about women having as many lovers as her husband. What about women working and husband taking care of kids? Or better a woman president in Armenia.
Some would say, "We had some Queens in the past... like Mari-Louysse...". But that's rather a legend , smth ignored and abandonned... And the Queen actually doesn't necessarily mean a freedom for women. How you imagine women arround you? What is the ideal way of coexistence, in yo opinion, for you and for us?

[ June 01, 2001: Message edited by: naira ]

[THOTH]

I personaly don't feel that it is for me to dictate how anyone runs their life. I certainly do not think anyone's choices should be limited. Many people have a long way to go for even a basic understanding of this - some will never change. But I think it is important that mothers impress on their daughters that they can be anything and do anything they desire - that they need not be self-limiting. (and the media [TV/movies/magazines etc] has an effect too) If women accept the constricted roles then what is the incentive for (most) men to accept any change in such. Certainly women in the workplace helps enlighten somewhat(though some predjudices persist). I have had several truly excellent female supervisors/bosses (and a few not so hot as well). There is oppurtunity for women and in certain environments (urban)/nations etc I think women are reletively unconstrained in their personal lives/relationships as well. I don't know the answer in terms of removing stigmatism for (what is percieved as) "bad/wonton" behavior. I myself like "bad" girls! (LOL) So what can I say....?

[nairakev]

Well, you said all, Toth!
Now, you're a bad boy!

[THOTH]

So spank me!

[Garo]

I deleted some posts here. Art you got a warning. I agree with you that this thread is not for kids. This thread always brings trouble as soon as one of the new members discover it.

[THOTH]

Well Garo - I must admit I missed Art's post and I have only read page 2 (more recent)posts - but from what I have read I really haven't seen anything that bad that would require censorship. Obviously, perhaps, some of us have different ideas about what is and isn't appropriate on a public forum and I might be more liberal than most (though I understand not having ****agraphic level of discussion or cursing etc). I just did not see such and don't see why the subject matter - even if slightly, perhaps graphic, would need to be censored. just thought I'd put in my 2 cents. Certainly I repect your right to decide such.

[surorus]

HI Naira


I would like to ask you if you can tell us about "Armenian Dick myths or stories"?

[Guest Fadi]

I think there should be two cathegories for love and romance, one of them, when you open it warns that some materials could be offensive etc... so that peoples be worned. And when a topic is posted in one of the two cathegories that has not the warning and start to have delicate answers, the administrator could change the place of the topic and send it on the second Love and Romance cathegory with the warning.

 

Just my 2 cent

[MJ]

How about staying away from graphic descriptions, vulgarity and name calling no matter what topics are being discussed, in the first place?

[nairakev]

Actually, this is good news, Garo!
I don't think kids who do not understand what we are talking about will stay for long time. Besides we do not offer links to "hot" online stuff. This is a "non-commercial" forum I hope.
If it is so? Then it is great! It means somewhere in this forum some underground life has been settled.

[nairakev]

What do you mean by vulgarity?

[surorus]

Actually no, I am not familiar. Are those the leterature where you read all the myths?

It is just regretfull, that vulgar topics are discused at Hye Forum.

Atractions of White, Black, Yellow, Brown men? How can there be a uniform defenition of atractions, when peole have different tastes and preferences? Who defines what is atractive what is not?