THOTH Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Aghtchik:Those traditional girls, Armenian or American, who go through life as being Virgins still, so clean and pure... I wouldn't want to have to feed the ones that know perfectly how to satisfy boys, men, by giving them nice...... That is really some virginity. Agreed - whats really the point? [ August 03, 2002, 09:32 PM: Message edited by: MosJan ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 Aghtchik jan I'm not saying that virginity is the simbol of purity cause i don't agree with those who say that not virgin girl is a satan Knowing men well and to know how to satisfy them is the right way to understand life and the others and that has nothing to do with purity, cause having sex with guys is not evil thing At the end, we, guys are the sons of God, before girls were created Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 quote:Originally posted by dragon:Knowing men well and to know how to satisfy them is the right way to understand life and the others and that has nothing to do with purity, cause having sex with guys is not evil thing At the end, we, guys are the sons of God, before girls were created So you believe might makes right? And as men (you say) we are created in gods image - yes? What is it then you are saying about your god? Its not pretty - is it... I pity any female who would be so unlucky as to marry you. To me pleasing a women is a great joy. What is it about you(r religion) that makes you so selfish and think you are so deserving? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 Don't judge me buddy I have very good reputation in women's era and i love all women from the bottom of my heart What i was trying to say, that girls must come out of this humiliating shit: verginity, to be able to find their love, their happiness and their own personality indeed. Men appreciate those women who have self opinion and self respect. And I am one of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elovna Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 quote:Originally posted by THOTH:Yes Aghtchick - I do not discount that your words ring true. I have seen my own extended family deal with things (avoidance/ignoring ewtc) in the very way that you describe. I do however take a bit of offense at this notion of never trust an Armenian. For the most part I think the very opposite is true. We cannot help if others feel ripped off or such because we are more shrewd...(hey I've had car dealerships try to buy the car back from me etc...what can I say...bargaining is certainly in my blood...)Hey, I am not preeching to never trust an Armenian. And myself I am trusting quite a few. About bargaining. Cars don't have feelings, humans do. Sorry if this subject is nasty one, none of what I say is meant to offend any of you, so please don't take it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elovna Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 quote:Originally posted by THOTH: quote:Originally posted by Aghtchik:Those traditional girls, Armenian or American, who go through life as being Virgins still, so clean and pure... I wouldn't want to have to feed the ones that know perfectly how to satisfy boys, men, by giving them nice...... That is really some virginity. Agreed - whats really the point?The point is that it's very hypocrite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elovna Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Sip: quote:Originally posted by Aghtchik:... Ik geloof dat we wel op dezelfde golflengte zitten.Ik wil golf spelen wanneer ik rijk word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elovna Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Aghtchik: quote:Originally posted by dragon:Well, in my opinion, for armenian girl, especially the one who is coming from traditional family, is not that much ready to lose her verginiy and get pregnant from the guy whom she is not going to marry. This is another subject, but it came to my mind when I read the above. Those traditional girls, Armenian or American, who go through life as being Virgins still, so clean and pure... I wouldn't want to have to feed the ones that know perfectly how to satisfy boys, men, by giving them nice ........ That is really some virginity. Aghchigjan lets ceep it clean!! What the *** are you doing Mosjan? Oh my God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You have exactly shown my point, better than I could have done myself. OH OH. This is really cracking me up now. So BLOWJOB is a dirty word?????? OH, I am almost falling of my chair here. Mosjan. Are you going to expell me now? Because I am not going to shut up!! NO, NO. I was talking about Armenian soviet ways. Now you are showing them to us and of all places on this respected Forum. So " B L O W J O B " is not clean, not nice? Did I use it in a seductive way? Was I talking dirty? Apparently it made you feel very uncomfortable. If anything, you are really showing yourself and your (unclean) mind Mosjan. I don't see why this should be a forbidden word. I don't see why any words should be forbidden as long as they are not meant to hurt anyone. I don't see where you take the right to label this word "BLOWJOB" as a wrong word that should not be mentioned. For gods sake, where are we here, in **** USSR????? I have said nothing wrong. It is common knowledge that every man loves a good blowjob and it's nothing to be ashamed over. Now don't tell me, Mosjan, that you have never had one, at least one, yourself. Well. Sorry. I cannot digest this very well. And I am certainly not going to conform to it. I demand that my posting will be brought back to it's original state. You did not have the right to mess with my words without even contacting me about it. So I think apologies are in order too. And now to my friends on this Forum, who are hopefully still around. I NEED YOUR SUPPORT now. So please help me defend the right to freedom of speech. In case this posting will be censored or removed.... I will save it before posting it, so I can e-mail it if necessary. I have a suggestion for a new topic: Hypocracy! [ August 04, 2002, 04:57 AM: Message edited by: Aghtchik ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 Is this a dutch clap or armenian one Aghtchik? dzapik-dzapik dziranik? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elovna Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Aghtchik: quote:Originally posted by dragon:Well, in my opinion, for armenian girl, especially the one who is coming from traditional family, is not that much ready to lose her verginiy and get pregnant from the guy whom she is not going to marry. This is another subject, but it came to my mind when I read the above. Those traditional girls, Armenian or American, who go through life as being Virgins still, so clean and pure... I wouldn't want to have to feed the ones that know perfectly how to satisfy boys, men, by giving them nice ........ That is really some virginity. Aghchigjan lets ceep it clean!! What the *** are you doing Mosjan? Oh my God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You have exactly shown my point, better than I could have done myself. OH OH. This is really cracking me up now. So BLOWJOB is a dirty word?????? OH, I am almost falling of my chair here. Mosjan. Are you going to expell me now? Because I am not going to shut up!! NO, NO. I was talking about Armenian soviet ways. Now you are showing them to us and of all places on this respected Forum. So " B L O W J O B " is not clean, not nice? Did I use it in a seductive way? Was I talking dirty? Apparently it made you feel very uncomfortable. If anything, you are really showing yourself and your (unclean) mind Mosjan. I don't see why this should be a forbidden word. I don't see why any words should be forbidden as long as they are not meant to hurt anyone. I don't see where you take the right to label this word "BLOWJOB" as a wrong word that should not be mentioned. For gods sake, where are we here, in **** USSR????? I have said nothing wrong. It is common knowledge that every man loves a good blowjob and it's nothing to be ashamed over. Now don't tell me, Mosjan, that you have never had one, at least one, yourself. Well. Sorry. I cannot digest this very well. And I am certainly not going to conform to it. I demand that my posting will be brought back to it's original state. You did not have the right to mess with my words without even contacting me about it. So I think apologies are in order too. And now to my friends on this Forum, who are hopefully still around. I NEED YOUR SUPPORT now. So please help me defend the right to freedom of speech. In case this posting will be censored or removed.... I will save it before posting it, so I can e-mail it if necessary. I have a suggestion for a new topic: Hypocricy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 My clap for you is in armenian way Aghtchik and hope u like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 Elly jan, having grown up in a country where speaking about sex is the normal matter of the day, I totally understand where you're coming from and from that perspective I fully agree that your original posts should be added again. On the other hand... welcome to the Armenian way. You may or may not believe it, but there ARE plenty of Armenian men who find blow-jobs disgusting and speaking of sex even worse. In our culture, you do it. You don't talk about it, especially as a woman. Very unfortunate in many ways, especially when problems arise, but this is an ancient culture. So far keeping sex a taboo and "mysterious" hasn't caused us major harm. So why should we openly talk about it now? From this perspective, I totally understand Mosjan; although I must add that I don't fancy censorship and on ground of that alone, I would ask Mosjan to add the posts again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 And now to my friends on this Forum, who are hopefully still around. I NEED YOUR SUPPORT now. So please help me defend the right to freedom of speech.[/QB] Well, my friend Whatever it was, I think you have already restored your rights in your last message, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elovna Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 It remains to be seen what will happen now, MJ. I wouldn't be the first to have to leave this Forum. But I have faith still, in justice. And faith in the Armenians... that they will some day come there senses in matters like this. I hope that Mosjan just didn't think before he acted. But there is time still to set it straight. Everyone can make a mistake. I must say that I am very tempted now to say the word again, you know, the one they all like but are so ashamed of: B L O W J O B. Just to tease a little. But I will not do that. After all, I'm a good girl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 Elly, I don't know what you are talking about. See, I am a Soviet Armenian, and am not exposed to certain vocabulary or experiences. Just don't understand what is all this about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elovna Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 MJ. Either you really did not get what happened here. Or you are kidding me? I used the word "blowjob" in one of my postings. Mosjan erased it and typed under it "aghtchik jan, let's keep things clean" Don't tell me that this should be normal procedure here on this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elovna Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 MJ. Are you saying that you are not familiar with a thing called blowjob? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Aghtchik:MJ. Are you saying that you are not familiar with a thing called blowjob? What's that, Elly? In Soviet Armenia, we don't know such words and we don't do such things - whatever it may mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 Didn't I tell you Elly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 We just eat khas-khorovadz and play nardi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elovna Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 quote:Originally posted by MJ: quote:Originally posted by Aghtchik:MJ. Are you saying that you are not familiar with a thing called blowjob? What's that, Elly? In Soviet Armenia, we don't know such words and we don't do such things - whatever it may mean. Sorry, sometimes I am a bit naive still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elovna Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 quote:Originally posted by nairi:Elly jan, having grown up in a country where speaking about sex is the normal matter of the day, I totally understand where you're coming from and from that perspective I fully agree that your original posts should be added again. On the other hand... welcome to the Armenian way. You may or may not believe it, but there ARE plenty of Armenian men who find blow-jobs disgusting and speaking of sex even worse. In our culture, you do it. You don't talk about it, especially as a woman. Very unfortunate in many ways, especially when problems arise, but this is an ancient culture. So far keeping sex a taboo and "mysterious" hasn't caused us major harm. So why should we openly talk about it now? From this perspective, I totally understand Mosjan; although I must add that I don't fancy censorship and on ground of that alone, I would ask Mosjan to add the posts again.Thanks, Nairi, for defending the freedom of speech. Good of you to not mention the forbidden word. You know, the one I don't dare to say outloud: "blowjob", but sst, you didn't hear me say that. Let's not shock the men that don't dare to be reminded of the fact that a blowjob is something they wouldn't mind at least one time a day to keep the doctor away. Now, without joking. I understand too well the Armenian way (at least as far as an outsider can understand it). What is happening now is nothing compared to what I experienced during my relationship with my Armenian ex. I don't pretend to have the right to judge it. As long as it doesn't hurt anyone... fine by me. I myself I don't like all that hypocracy and I try to not practice it. You can say it did the Armenians no harm sofar and you may be right. But what about other people? What if they are effected by it in a not so nice way. Doesn't that count for anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 Perhaps this issue warrents a poll? (pun intended) PS - I'm with you girls! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Aghtchik:Sorry, sometimes I am a bit naive still. See, even though you are Duthch and some of us are Soviet Armenians, we still share common features - naivity in this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elovna Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 quote:Originally posted by MJ: quote:Originally posted by Aghtchik:MJ. Are you saying that you are not familiar with a thing called blowjob? What's that, Elly? In Soviet Armenia, we don't know such words and we don't do such things - whatever it may mean. I don't want to give you guys the pleasure of explaining it to you in detail and then be killed for it later. Also, I have no intention of turning this Forum into a **** site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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