Arturian Posted February 20, 2002 Report Share Posted February 20, 2002 Just started reading satanic bible of Anton Shandor La Vei ? I find it interesting. Anyone tried to read ? [ February 20, 2002: Message edited by: ARTURian ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted February 20, 2002 Report Share Posted February 20, 2002 what is satanic bible? and i thought you were true chistian. and btw, Gnel was saying Hello. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturian Posted February 20, 2002 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2002 Do you think I read it to follow? To fight against your enemy you have to know your enemy. How do you know Gnel? Send him my best regards! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Artur - please It is mostly just a joke (IMO) - he is a hedonist - (basically) nothing more - and nothing wrong with that (to an extent). I would not put any faith in his book (which I have read a long time ago) as being truly satanic in nature. He makes a few good points though - that diehard - have no fun Christians could take to heart I think...(If you trul;y want satanic try reading Alestar Crowley or Marquis de Sade...or better yet Adolph Hitler (Mein Kampf) or the writings of St John Christendom (or whatever his name was)...those medevial popes - you know all those inquisition types etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturian Posted February 21, 2002 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Well, he is the only guy I've heard of. The book sounds more of a joke indeed, and explains basically opposite of the laws of the Holy Bible. I will check out Alester Crowly and Mrquis de Sade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Just because there exists bibles of Satan does not mean that the Bible we use is infallible. I KNOW how you fundamentalist Chrstians operate. There are bona-fide texts of early Christianity which blow huge holes into the tenets of traditional Christian belief. By emphasizing these Satanic texts, you attempt to diminish genuine questioning of the validity of alternate appoaches to Jesus' mission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturian Posted February 21, 2002 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Hagarag, first of all take the word fundamentalist christians out. There is no such expression. There person can either christians or non-christian. Being christian means trying to follow all the rules and laws of the holy bible, including fasting and other. Others belong to non-christian category. For us - Armenians, there is no questioning of Jesus Christ, the Bible and there are no alternitive approaches to Jesus' mission as you say. We don't question, we worship. The questioning comes from Devil side. Stanic bible i started reading two days ago as I was just curious. So, far it has been full of crappy staff, and sounds more as an opinion of some sick in head person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigrannesIII Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 quote:Originally posted by hagarag:My great-grandfather was a major benefactor od the Armenian Church. He solely paid for the total restoration of an Armenian Church. I thank God that he allowed his youngest daughter to marry an Armenian Catholic and convert to Catholicism. I am glad that my father, having received the ultimate insults from the priests in boarding schools of that church, bolted to become a Protestant when his young children had major problems with church officials. You say we don't question, we worship. Worship what, the words of Jesus or the words of Sol Invictus? Do you really know what you are worshipping? I would have been very uncomfortable in a church where one could not question the validity of the doctrines of the church leaders.That's all good and great, but still.... the Armenian Church was started by an Apostle, the Protestant churches by men.Are you fasting for Lent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturian Posted February 21, 2002 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 We worship God! We worship God, who through his son Jesus Christ sent his message in holy Bible. Simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturian Posted February 21, 2002 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Reading the news: 3 year old kid was raped by his father, his brother (40 y.o.) and nephew (30 y.o.)!!!!!! People you are sick from the bottom to the top. You are living in Satanic society and you don't want to admit! Poor child, 3 year old boy who just started living!!! How is that possible ?!!!!! Sick!!! Shocking... Satan found his shelter and its the USA!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 This kind of sick stuff is going on under the auspices of the Catholic Church, in America, in Brazil and in many other nations around the world. I know of Armenian church officials who have had affairs with married women in their congregations. Go find the true word of Jesus Christ in the early writings that have been suppressed. Resurrect the nature of Jesus word from the corruption of today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellie Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 The good and the bad are both qualities that are burried deep within us. true, a lot of sick stuff goes on in the world, but rape, molestation, etc. these aren't the works of the devil; to say that they are is only a scapegoat. God/Jesus and the Satan are only symbolic of the good and the bad. to blame our shortcomings on a an immortal, intangible sort of being is the only way we can look at ourselves in the mirror. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 My great-grandfather was a major benefactor od the Armenian Church. He solely paid for the total restoration of an Armenian Church. I thank God that he allowed his youngest daughter to marry an Armenian Catholic and convert to Catholicism. I am glad that my father, having received the ultimate insults from the priests in boarding schools of that church, bolted to become a Protestant when his young children had major problems with church officials. You say we don't question, we worship. Worship what, the words of Jesus or the words of Sol Invictus? Do you really know what you are worshipping? I would have been very uncomfortable in a church where one could not question the validity of the doctrines of the church leaders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturian Posted February 22, 2002 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 Hagarag, the following disinformation was spread by muslims. We have our own bible which is the direct copy of 5th century translation and we don't question. It's the bible and religion 1.5 million people died for. I don't join the muslims as you and question what my forefather died for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 Artur, I suggest that you get a copy of the earliest version of the Bible found in a sealed room at St. Catherine's monastery in the Sinai. Even this Bible is not the true word of Jesus. You do not question much I see. Your views on most subjects are very reactionary as the members of this forum have noted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 Artur, Must I remind you that the Armenians who were killed included Catholics, Protestants, Mormons and members of other sects. It is a cheap shot to try to undermine my argument by bringing up the Genocide victims. You argue that ecause these peole died for a belief that we should not question that belief. That is absurd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturian Posted February 22, 2002 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 No! Hagarag, according to you millions of people who through 1701 years of christianity believed in nothing but misunderstandings and wrong. That is non-sence. Look millions and millions of people were idiots and only Hagarag is the one who reveiled the truth. lol ... You are one of the first Armenians i've ever seen who questions our bible. I have read these kinds of bible. Muslims claimed that one Pakistani secret agent saw the "real bible" which is kept in secret room somewhere in the US, gained access to that bible, took the photos of every page of and brought it to Pakistan. When they reveiled it they found that Jesus was talking about Muhammed as he will be the last prophet and actually saying his name in Bible. Non-sence. I believe that people through our history weren't idiots and fooled to follow the writings of the Holy Book. Simple as that. In your country every year they publish new bibles for some political reasons, but we have one bible and we don't change it, we don't question it. Simple as that. it is your choice and your opinion to question it and not follow, but don't bring to public and say that what we believe is wrong. Keep your opinion in the head and start respecting what your forefathers believed in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted February 23, 2002 Report Share Posted February 23, 2002 Artur - Do you realize that substansial portions of mankind have been practicing Pagans since, I don't know - lets say 250,000 years ago (well, at least 40,000 I guess for Sapiens Sapiens)...are you saying that they had it all wrong for all those tens of thousands of years? (and BTW - do you think that all these people are now in Hell?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted February 24, 2002 Report Share Posted February 24, 2002 quote:Originally posted by ARTURian:We worship God! We worship God, who through his son Jesus Christ sent his message in holy Bible. Simple as that.Wow, I didn't know Jesus wrote the bible. Could he even write? (not joking with this question ... I actually would like to know). quote:Originally posted by ARTURian:Look millions and millions of people were idiots and only Hagarag is the one who reveiled the truth. lol ...By the way, Arthur, I am 100% with Hagarag on this one. So that makes at least 2 against all the millions you are talking about. I am sure there are more of us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasmiek Posted February 25, 2002 Report Share Posted February 25, 2002 quote: it is your choice and your opinion to question it and not follow, but don't bring to public and say that what we believe is wrong. Keep your opinion in the head and start respecting what your forefathers believed in. artur-maybe you should live in a nice dictator opression regime for a while, let's see how good you can have a deviant opinion and then shut up about it.Just ask yourself; Why was Jesus Christ crucified? Maybe because he didn't just keep his opinions forhimself... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturian Posted February 25, 2002 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2002 No! What he did is spited at Armenia and Armenian religion. If you don't believe in God, then keep it yourself. Our forefathers died for that and I think we and all Armenians should respect it at least. Simple as that. About Jesus, you are wrong. Sip, cmon man... you make me laugh. Thoth, I answered your question about my opinion. I don't want to repeat myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasmiek Posted February 25, 2002 Report Share Posted February 25, 2002 quote: About Jesus, you are wrong. ?is this discussing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted February 25, 2002 Report Share Posted February 25, 2002 Artur, Where have I stated that I do not believe in God? I believe in God. Where have I stated that I do not believe in Jesus teaching? I believe in the true message of Jesus. What you are stating is that if I do not see Jesus as you do, then I am an unbeliever or worse, perhaps Satanic. If you dig deeply into the true history of Armenian Christianity, you will see that it was once much closer to the true teachings of Jesus than was Western Christianity (includes Greek Orthodoxy). The Oriental Orthodox Churches were embued with a closer adherence to the original teachings of Jesus than were the Western Churches which sprung from the teachings of Saul of Tarsus (known as St. Paul). It was only when the original teachings were tampered with by powerful political forces both inside the central church and in government (e.g. Constantine and his wife) that the original message of Jesus was corrupted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturian Posted February 25, 2002 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2002 That was a general regard. quote:Originally posted by hagarag:Artur, I believe in the true message of Jesus. Ok then, this kind of question: Do you think that our teachings are wrong and don't match the "true messege" of Christ? Answer. [ February 25, 2002: Message edited by: ARTURian ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturian Posted February 26, 2002 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 Man there is nothing for me to decide. I just want your opinion. Do you regard Armenian teachings wrong? Simple question... [ February 25, 2002: Message edited by: ARTURian ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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