And the Fraud Had a Name

[Zartonk]

Power to you Hellektor. Brilliant contribution.

[elle]

I found this by an accident when I was trying to find something on Armenia...

Helektor...since you're an expert on Azerbaijan, I would like to know which part of this 'history' is made up?

I remember reading about Atrpakan in my Armenian history classes, but I did not know that Atrpakan was referred to Azerbaijan!

 

Azerbaijan - the ancient land, proud with history of Caucasian Albans and Atropatenians (Medes), later unified under glorious Turkic heritage and culture. Stretching from the Great Caucasus Mountains in the North to mount Savalan in the South, and from Caspian Sea in the East to lakes Urmiyeh and Goycheh in the West, Azerbaijan has always been a bridge between the cultures of Europe, Middle East and Asia.

Origins of the word "Azerbaijan"

The origins of this name trace back as far as 2500 years. According to contemporary Iranian publicist Seyed Ahmad Kasravi and Azerbaijani historian Igrar Aliyev, who referred in their writings to ancient Greek geographer Strabo (63 B.C. - 24 A.D.), at the end of Achaemenid Empire, and with Alexander the Great controlling most of the regions of modern South Azerbaijan (in Iran), Alexander's satrap by the name of Atropat (Atoorpat), kept the territory from falling into the hands of the invaders. Thus, the land was named after him as "Atoorpatkan" (or Atropatena in ancient Greek writings). The same country was also called as "Medes Minor", "Atropatenian Medes" and "Medes-Atropatena" in later historical records. People of the region (now Azerbaijan) elected Atoorpat as their sovereign and he protected their independence. Strabo, in his book, which was written at the time of the Parthians and close to the birth of Jesus, declares that: "...still the successors of Atoorpat are reigning independently." Later, in Arabic pronounciation Atoopatkan got the spelling of Azerbaijan.

 

According to medieval historian Haji Rashid Ad-Din Fazlollahi Hamedani, who lived in times of Turkic reigns in Azerbaijan, the name of Azerbaijan might be Turkic. In particular, Hamedani writes: "...when Oghuz Khan conquered that region, he became fond of the grasslands of Owjan, which is a district in Azerbaijan. He ordered everyone to bring a bushel of the earth's soil and dump it there. He himself did so, along with all the people including the soldiers. Naturally a large hill was created, which he called Azerbaigan, since "azer" in Turkic means towering and elevated, and "baigan" means distinguished and famous." Although this interpretation of the name "Azerbaijan" can be valid linguistically, historical evidence is not sufficient to claim this approach as correct.

 

Few medieval Persian sources claim that the name of Azerbaijan might be coming from "the Land of Fires", namely "azer" (fire) and "baigan" (place) in Persian. This might also be approved by the fact that Zoroastrianism (or fire worshipping) was widespread in Azerbaijan before Islam. However, only the first version of origin coming from Atoorpatkan seems to be valid, as Strabo in his reference lived close to times of Atoorpat, and at the time of Strabo's writings, Atoorpat's dynasty "was still reigning in the region independently".

 

Sebeos, the Armenian historian of VIIth century, also referred to RЭstДm, the great leader of "ashxarh Maratsa" (the country of Medes) or ruler of Atoorpatkan. Medieval Arabic author Al-Ma'sudi calls RЭstДm, who was killed in battle with Arabs, as "Дl-AzДri" (an Azeri), which in essence means "Azerbaijani".

Edited May 5, 2008 by elle

[Hellektor]

I found this by an accident when I was trying to find something on Armenia...

Helektor...since you're an expert on Azerbaijan, I would like to know which part of this 'history' is made up?

I remember reading about Atrpakan in my Armenian history classes, but I did not know that Atrpakan was referred to Azerbaijan!

Atrpatakan is Azarbaijan (the real). If you're in a hurry please read the section Everything’s in a Name that contains the headings: The Origin of the Term Azarbaijan and The Meaning of the Term Azarbaijan (Ատրպատական)

 

It's all been explained in this thread. You can read a section per day and you'll find out the answers to your questions.

 

Azerbaijan - the ancient land, proud with history of Caucasian Albans and Atropatenians (Medes), later unified under glorious Turkic heritage and culture. Stretching from the Great Caucasus Mountains in the North to mount Savalan in the South, and from Caspian Sea in the East to lakes Urmiyeh and Goycheh in the West, Azerbaijan has always been a bridge between the cultures of Europe, Middle East and Asia.

This is pure gobbledygook. Please read the thread to find out why. "Caucasian Albans" have nothing to do with Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan), Medes are Iranians and have nothing to do either with Turks or with Aghvans ("Caucasian Albans"), There is no Turkish heritage or culture, Turkish "culture" has nothing to do with the Aghvans or Medes or "Atropatenians" (people of Atropatena, Atrpatakan, Azarbaijan (the real)) or the Caucasus or Europe or the "Middle East".

 

Stretching from the Great Caucasus Mountains in the North to mount Savalan in the South, and from Caspian Sea in the East to lakes Urmiyeh and Goycheh in the West, Azerbaijan has always been

It's almost a paraphrase of the bullshit vomited by Abulfazl Elçibay in Bu manin taleyimdir, Baku, 1992, page 61: "Since hundreds of thousands of years, "Azeri" Turks lived in lands stretching from Hamadan to Darband and from Gokçe to the Caspian Sea." which I have also cited in this thread.

 

Please do take your time and read the thread.

 

 

[Hellektor]

The rest of what you cite in your post is a mixture of half truths and Turkish concoctions to confuse the unsuspecting readers.

 

Example: They cite the great Iranian Azarbaijani scholar Kassravi and the exceptionally objective "Azeri" historian Igrar Aliev (not anti-"Azeri" though) who both in fact have debunked all their lies yet a little further they recount a cock-and-turk story of a turkdung hill as the origin of the term Azarbaijan!

 

They quote Strabo and still have the nerve to cite the Armenian Sebeos for the sole reason of namedropping to give false legitimacy to their excretion. Pathetic.

 

http://www.ics.uci.edu/~javid/azerbaijan/history.html

[Hellektor]

Power to you Hellektor. Brilliant contribution.

Thanks Zartonk, for the kind words.

 

[Hellektor]

Here's the PDF version:

 

And the Fraud Had a Name, Azerbaijan: the Real the Fake and the Absurd (3.2 MB)

 

Since on this sort of file hosting they delete the files after a while, I'm still looking for a website (preferably an Armenian site) where I can store this file permanently (as long as the site exists).

 

Any suggestions are welcome.

 

Thanks

[Arpa]

It must be more than a coincidence that the above article by Elle was posted hours after I wrote my last item under the topic of Byzantium.

Look at what they are saying, they have been there even before Haik, and compare to what we say at every turn, that we came from here, from there, who came from where China or Kamchatka. If we continue thi nonsense of where we came from, don’t be surprised when they tell us to “go back to wherever the heck you came from!”

Please read Sevak’s “Meng kayinq nrantsits el araj”.

 

[crusader1492]

Here's the PDF version:

 

And the Fraud Had a Name, Azerbaijan: the Real the Fake and the Absurd (3.2 MB)

 

Since on this sort of file hosting they delete the files after a while, I'm still looking for a website (preferably an Armenian site) where I can store this file permanently (as long as the site exists).

 

Any suggestions are welcome.

 

Thanks

 

...for some reason, I am not able to download it. Could it be that the file is too big?

[Hellektor]

...for some reason, I am not able to download it. Could it be that the file is too big?

It's good that you guys report these things. The link here does not fetch the PDF file itself but goes to the download page, in case you are right clicking and doing "Save Target As...".

 

You should click the link and it goes to a download page of the host imagehost.org.

 

Do not right-click and do "Save Target As..." here, but do it on the page that opens when you click the link here.

 

It creates a dynamic link each time, so it is not possible to post a direct link to the file. They do this for advertisement, this way each time anyone downloads a file they will learn about the host.

 

Dear crusader1492,

 

It works fine here, please do report the result in any case; thanks.

 

[crusader1492]

Right clicking and 'saving target as' worked! Thanks

[elle]

The rest of what you cite in your post is a mixture of half truths and Turkish concoctions to confuse the unsuspecting readers.

 

Example: They cite the great Iranian Azarbaijani scholar Kassravi and the exceptionally objective "Azeri" historian Igrar Aliev (not anti-"Azeri" though) who both in fact have debunked all their lies yet a little further they recount a cock-and-turk story of a turkdung hill as the origin of the term Azarbaijan!

 

They quote Strabo and still have the nerve to cite the Armenian Sebeos for the sole reason of namedropping to give false legitimacy to their excretion. Pathetic.

 

http://www.ics.uci.edu/~javid/azerbaijan/history.html

 

 

This is so weird! I know I copied the fake history of Azerbaijan in here, but I did not look more closer at the website's address! I just looked at it, and I noticed the name "Javid" in it. I've spoken to that a$$hole long time ago and the weird thing is that he did say that the Azeris are the ethnic Turks when we spoke, but for some kind of a reason he has put up this BS. It seems like they're suffering some kind of an identitity crisis because they say what they are based on what suits them best at that moment. I also read in some Iranian forum that the same Javid tried (or was planning) to beat up some Dutch professor (the Dutch professor probably set him straight!)

At the end of the day, does it really matter what BS they claim because facts are facts and history does not change.

 

[elle]

I found the following on Javid Huseynov...

 

KHOJALI GENOCIDE WAS COMMEMORATED AT THE BERKELEY UNIVERSITY, WHERE ARMENIAN TERRORIST MONTE MELKONIAN STUDIED

Rubrique : English

Monday, 3 March 2008

 

03 March 2008, Resource : Azeri Press Agency

 

A commemoration ceremony dedicated to the 16th anniversary of Khojali genocide was held at the Berkeley University, California. According to APA, the ceremony was organized by the US-Azerbaijan Council and Berkeley’s Association of Turkish Students.

 

In his keynote speech, President of US-Azerbaijan Council Javid Huseynov briefed about the history of Khojali genocide and the beginning of Nagorno Artsax conflict. He said local Azerbaijani citizens were targeted by the Armenians at the early stage of the conflict and spoke about the facts from the killing of two Azerbaijani civilians in Askeran region to the Khojali genocide. The head of US-Azerbaijan Council reminded how Armenian newly-elected president Serj Sarkisian and nationalist Zori Balayan boasted of Khojali genocide in their interviews. Javid Huseynov said some US congressmen meet the Armenian radicals and those Armenians who were condemned in the terrorism because they have no information. For example, former head of US Armenian Committee Murad Topalian who was arrested for the terrorism and released later has met with the executive chairman of US Congress Foreign Relations Committee Howard Berman. The professor of Montana University and the author of first article published in USA about Khojali genocide Thomas Goltz said the number of Western newspapers held dirty campaign against Ottoman Empire and than Turkey for many years. He said the British Times published an article in 1912 about the Turkish “atrocities” which facts were unmasked later.

 

Thomas Goltz reminded about the stereotypes in some newspapers about the “innocent Armenian victims” of Nagorno Artsax conflict. The speaker said in some cases the editors skeptically approached his information about the Armenian atrocities against Azerbaijani people in Nagorno Artsax. In his first article about the Khojali genocide he said that Armenians killed more than 630 innocent people. US journalist visited Khojali town several months before the genocide and knew some of its citizens, as well as the National Hero Alif Hajiyev who was killed when he rescued the local citizens. Mr Goltz said it was a hard blow to him to see the people once warmly welcomed him the killed. Thomas Goltz said Armenians tried to hide the Khojali facts lying about them and even spread a misleading rumor that he was a radical Islamist. The Khojali genocide was commemorated in tens of countries from Malaysia to USA, said Elin Suleymanov, the Azerbaijani Consul General in Los-Angeles. He said that it has a double importance to hold a commemoration ceremony at the Berkeley University where the Armenian terrorist and one of the main instigators of Khojali genocide Monte Melkonian graduated from. The Consul General made an excursus to history and noted that Azerbaijan was on the verge of gap and power changes have taken place over 6 months in the period of Khojali genocide. He said some forces believed in the end of Azerbaijani state in that period. Elin Suleymanov said that 16 years later Azerbaijan became a regional leader and is able to deliver truth about Nagorno Artsax to the international community all over the world, even in Calfornia, the place where Armenians were active for many years. The Consul General called US Azerbaijanis to play an active role in the country’s socio-political life. The commemoration of Khojali genocide at Berkeley was ended with the demonstration of documentary about Khojali genocide and interviewing with the participants. It was the second commemoration ceremony in Calofornia dedicated to Khojali genocide. Earlier the Khojali genocide was commemorated at Saint-Bernardino University, California and was covered by the University’s newspaper.

 

Turquie News, Monday 3 March 2008

 

 

 

 

 

 

[elle]

This type of Azeri hysteria over the Khojali incident reminds me of that Russian saying: "Slishali zvon, ne znaiut gde on"

Another way they are copying Armenians...this time accusing us of genocide or should I say counter-accusing us?

Couldn't they find some different word when describing what happened in Khojali during the war? Has anyone even reminded them that there was a WAR going on during Khojali, and they were killing Armenians as well? Since when do wars end up being called genocides?

They are so illogical and pathetic!

Edited May 5, 2008 by elle

[crusader1492]

Hellektor,

 

I read through most of your rock solid work today. You should work on getting this published, translated into Armenian (among other languages). I say this because, I believe the Armenians (especially the LTP sypathizers) need to be reminded who the real enemy is.

[Hellektor]

Right clicking and 'saving target as' worked! Thanks

You mean on the download page, because that's what I meant. In any case you should first click the link here to go to the download page then do as you do, whether it is dropping the file link in the "Drop Target" icon of Go!zilla, Get Right or the like, or opening the PDF in your browser (if you have broadband) and saving the file with the Acrobat Reader diskette (save) button or menu or right-clicking and doing "Save Target As…" or whatever other way that exists. The point is, you cannot save the file directly from the link here.

 

[Hellektor]

In his keynote speech, President of US-Azerbaijan Council Javid Huseynov ...reminded how Armenian newly-elected president Serj Sarkisian and nationalist Zori Balayan boasted of Khojali genocide in their interviews.

This is one of the most despicably disgusting lies ever, that the vicious, atrocious, ferocious, pernicious two-legged Inhuman Civilization-deficiency Virus, the most worthless, reeking, harmful garbage ever to have leaked the trashcan of the universe, the "Azeri" Turk has come up with. These hollow hoaxers that allowed this filth to vomit from his ass, should have asked the lying Turd to name the source and the date of ONE such interview, but since the "word" of Azerbaboons is Hebrew scripture for these bastards, they naturally didn't bother to do that, which brings us to the following piece of shit:

 

Thomas Goltz reminded about the stereotypes in some newspapers about the “innocent Armenian victims” of Nagorno Artsax conflict.

This Jew scambug with a Turk whore is slowly but surely growing like a malignant tumor into a second McFarty...

 

Hey, piece of kosher, Turkscrewing filth Goltz! Show us a single proof of those alleged 630 civilians killed by the Armenians. The Turk Chingiz Mustafayev had more integrity than this criminal that hid evidence of the disfiguring of the corpses of 34 Armenian hostages only on March 2 1992 corpse show, where there were no such mutilations on the show on February 29th, which confirms the bloodthirsty "Azeri" garbage did it to hide the identities of the Armenian victims and use Chingiz' photos, AFTER they killed him because he had discovered the scam, to falsely accuse the Armenians.

 

630? 100, 200, 300, 136, 613, 450, 500, 1000, 1300, 1500, 2000... Hey retarded Azerbaboons, settle on the goddamn figure! How many samples of your worthless species of vermin did the Armenians put out of their misery after all? All the cadavers of the allegedly put out garbage were in your disposal, CAN'T YOU FKNG COUNT? Isn't this the most blatant proof that this is a stinking lie?

 

[Hellektor]

Hellektor,

 

I read through most of your rock solid work today. You should work on getting this published, translated into Armenian (among other languages). I say this because, I believe the Armenians (especially the LTP sypathizers) need to be reminded who the real enemy is.

Thanks for the kind words again. I also believe this should spread all over. I believe this should encourage the Armenians to do more research in the direction. I still hear on many an occasion, even from experts, that they allow gross mistakes by saying for instance, in 1905 the "Azeris" did this or that, not even thinking for a second the term "Azeri" to describe a group was not even invented decades after that.

 

[Aratta-Kingdom]

Here's the PDF version:

 

And the Fraud Had a Name, Azerbaijan: the Real the Fake and the Absurd (3.2 MB)

 

Since on this sort of file hosting they delete the files after a while, I'm still looking for a website (preferably an Armenian site) where I can store this file permanently (as long as the site exists).

 

Any suggestions are welcome.

 

Thanks

 

any suggestions? no buddy, you left us speechless. der taq enq, togh mi qich jamanak ancni, heto ktesnes inch ahreli mets gorts es arel.

[Hellektor]

any suggestions? no buddy, you left us speechless. der taq enq, togh mi qich jamanak ancni, heto ktesnes inch ahreli mets gorts es arel.

Amachetsnum es Aratta jan.

 

Miain huysov em bolor@ yerb "Azeri" bar@ lsum en gitenan vor aydpisi azg goyutiun chuni yev yerb Azerbaijan anun@ lsum en, gone anmijapes mtatzen artyok real Azarbaijani (Atrpatakan) masin a khosk@ te keghtzi masin. Sharunakek ays gortz@ yev spread the truth all over.

[Hellektor]

Here's the PDF version:

 

And the Fraud Had a Name, Azerbaijan: the Real the Fake and the Absurd (3.2 MB)

 

Since on this sort of file hosting they delete the files after a while, I'm still looking for a website (preferably an Armenian site) where I can store this file permanently (as long as the site exists).

 

Any suggestions are welcome.

 

Thanks

 

any suggestions? no buddy, you left us speechless. der taq enq, togh mi qich jamanak ancni, heto ktesnes inch ahreli mets gorts es arel.

Oh, the suggestions! Aratta jan, while members are free to comment on the thing, actually I was talking about suggestions to host the PDF in a more secure place. The web it is on now is a free service and they might remove the file after a while, mainly if there's little activity (download).

 

Therefore, suggestions are still welcome because I'd rather have it also on an Armenian web which will guarantee it will be available as long as the website is online.

 

 

[Johno]

Book Review: Sleight of Hand on the World Stage

HETQ.AM [ 2010/06/28 | 15:02 ]

http://hetq.am/en/culture/34699/

 

Levon Chorbajian reviews "The Invention of History: Azerbaijan, Armenia, and the Showcasing of Imagination."

 

Rouben Galichian’s "The Invention of History: Azerbaijan, Armenia and the Showcasing of Imagination" (Gomidas Institute/Printinfo Art Books) is a very important book that addresses a core issue facing the Armenian people 95 years after the Genocide: survival in the face of further erasures and eradications.

 

This is an issue with many dimensions, some of them well known and others not. Galichian, whose prior works include "Historic Maps of Armenia: The Cartographic Heritage" (I.B. Tauris) and "Countries of the Caucasus in Medieval Maps: Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan" (Gomidas Institute Books), focuses here on one of the lesser known aspects, Azerbaijan and its attacks on Armenian history, identity and survival.

 

Azerbaijan was founded in 1918 under the leadership of the pan-Turkic Musavat Party. There had been no previous Azerbaijani state in history, and the name was taken from the territory south of the Arax River, in northern Persia (present-day Iran), where much larger numbers of Azeri speakers lived and continue to live today. Galichian notes that Persian officials considered the use of the name usurpation and protested its use at the time.

 

In the territorial jockeying that went on in the early Soviet Union, Azerbaijan was given control of Nagorno-Karabagh (Artsakh) with its 95% Armenian majority, and Nakhichevan, that was 40% Armenian, in 1920. These were bitter defeats for Armenia, but ironically, they also further exacerbated Azerbaijan’s own identity problem. The people called Azeri today are an amalgam of Arab, Turkic, and Persian peoples who had historically been known as Caucasian Tatars. The territory that became Azerbaijan not only contained hundreds of thousands of Armenians but also large numbers of non-Azeri Muslims and some non-Armenian Christians. Azeri leaders were faced with the problem of how to forge a national identity where none had existed before.

 

The answer was to fabricate a history. The officially sponsored Buniatov or Baku School of Historiography (Ziya Buniatov was an Azeri revisionist historian) developed to re-write history in the service of national ambition. In his early chapters, Galichian examines two books that exemplify the fruits of these labors, "War against Azerbaijan: Targeting Cultural Heritage" and "Monuments of Western Azerbaijan." Just as Turkey claims its roots in the Hittites and other people with whom it has no historical connection, Azerbaijan claims to be the heir to the Caucasian Albanians, a Christian people who ruled much of what is now Azerbaijan and had became extinct in the 12th century. This subterfuge eradicates a millennia long Armenian presence and allows Azeris to be presented as indigenous and the Armenians as latter day interlopers. This is the history that has been taught to Azeri schoolchildren for decades, and its irredentist implications are clearly revealed when we understand that “Western Azerbaijan” refers to Armenia itself.

 

Galichian painstakingly examines the fate of Armenian monuments in territories that came under Azeri control. No Armenians live in Nakhichevan today. Nor do we find the more than 200 Armenian churches, monasteries, chapels and cemeteries that were found there in the early 19th century. In one startling section of his book Galichian documents the fate of a cemetery that once contained 10,000 khachkars (carved Armenian burial stones). This cemetery in Nakhichevan was on the northern bank of the Arax River and clearly visible from Iran. The last 2000 of these khachkars were toppled and broken up a decade ago by the Azeri army. The remnants were taken away on trains or dumped into the river. Galichian provides photographs of this destruction taken by Scottish architect Steven Sim. Today the site is a military shooting range.

 

Galichian has collected and provided ‘before and after’ photographs of other Armenian sites as well. These include the before and after examples of abraded Armenian text on buildings which, while not destroying the buildings themselves, obscures their Armenian origins.

 

This is an important book for three reasons. First, Galichian’s text and photographs document the continuation of genocide in the form of the final eradication of the Armenian people’s history. The story Galichian tells is not a new one and has close parallels in Azerbaijan’s sister republic Turkey where Armenian monuments have been razed, used as targets in artillery practices, taken apart for building materials, and used as stables. And where the monuments have tourist value, they have been attributed to others. This is a game played by both Turkey and Azerbaijan.

 

Second, Galichian’s book is timely given the terms of the stalled (but revivable) Turkish-Armenian Protocols that would radically re-define Turkish-Armenian-Azeri relations without strong protections for Armenia’s national security interests. The fate of Armenians in Nakhichevan including the final eradication and erasure of their historical presence was captured in the term “Nakhichevan-ization” that became a symbol of cultural genocide and inspired an Armenian vow that the process would not be repeated in Artsakh. Galichian’s book stands as a warning. He makes it very clear what is at stake if Armenia succumbs to Western pressure, and to Turkish and Azeri promises of brotherhood, good-will, and solidarity.

 

Thanks to the liberation of Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabagh) between 1988 and 1994, the fate of Armenian monuments is now under Armenian control. The last of Galichian’s contributions is that his photographs document both the ravages of Azeri vandalism and neglect of Armenian monuments such as Dadivank and the Gandzasar Monastic complexes and their subsequent restoration by Armenian artisans after 1994.

 

Overall, Galichian has made a truly significant contribution to our understanding of continuing attacks on the history and legacy of the Armenian people. He has compiled the history and allowed it to speak through text and photographs of the dangers of any Western brokered “peace settlement” that calls for the surrender of Armenian held territory without the full independence of an internationally guaranteed and recognized Artsakh.

 

# # #

 

About the reviewer: Levon Chorbajian, Ph.D. is the translator and co-author of "The Caucasian Knot: The History and Geopolitics of Nagorno-Karabagh" (Zed Books) and the editor of "The Making of Nagorno-Karabagh: From Secession to Republic" (Palgrave Macmillan).

 

Rouben Galichian. "The Invention of History: Azerbaijan, Armenia, and the Showcasing of Imagination." Gomidas Institute-London and Printinfo Art Books-Yerevan. 2009. In English. 112 pp. Includes a DVD on Armenian Julfa and more than 50 color photos and maps. $30 US and £20 UK. Available from AbrilBooks.com, NAASR.org, Gomidas.org., and Amazon UK.

[Yervant1]

OPEN LETTER TO THE EDITOR OF NEWS.AZ <http://news.az/>

 

News.az news agency

9 March 2013

 

 

Sir,

 

I refer to American-Israeli historian and past president of the Foreign

Policy Section of the American Political Science Association, Brenda

Shaffer's interview with News.Az Azerbaijani website (see

http://www.news.az/articles/politics/77678) where once again Shaffer's

pro-Azerbaijani views and sentiments reveal themselves.

 

Her supposedly `expertise' on the history of Azerbaijan is apparent in

her

book `The Azerbaijani Turks' (Hoover Institute Press, Stanford, 1992) where

towing the line of the anti-Armenian Azerbaijani academician Zia M.

Buniatov, she quotes form his works which claim:

 

The idea of Azerbaijan=85. is correctly used in respect to the territories

of

Northern and Southern Azerbaijan beginning with the 6th century [bCE]=85.

According to Persian and Arabic sources=85. From the 8thcentury both Northern

and Southern Azerbaijan were understood by the name Azerbaijan.

 

The above quotation from Buniatov is a complete distortion of history,

since:

 

a) According to Greek geographer Strabo and others, the territory of Lesser

Media (north-western Iran) was renamed in honour of the Median military

leader who fought against Alexander's army during the second century BCE.

Athropatene After the Arab invasion this name gradually evolved to

Adherbijan=85 Azerbaijan). Hence at the time mentioned by Shaffer/Buniatov

no

Azerbaijan existed anywhere, a fact confirmed by all ancient historians.

 

and

 

No Arab historic or geographic literature exists prior to the ninth and

tenth centuries as put forward by Buniatov and certainly, no Arab or

Persian literature ever mentions the invented terminology of Northern or

Southern Azerbaijan. In all Islamic literature there is only one

Azerbaijan, which is the north-western Iranian province of Azerbaijan,

always located south of the Araxes River. Ms Shaffer should be well aware

that the name `Azerbaijan' north of the Araxes for the first time appeared

in 1918.

 

An expert historian should be well aware of the above facts and not repeat

other's fabrications, using them for her own anti-Armenian and now

anti-Iranian rhetoric. It seems Ms Shaffer has now found another platform

for distributing her views.

 

Rouben Galichian

Expert in Medieval maps and author

London

[Arpa]

I refer to American-Israeli historian and past president of the Foreign

Policy Section of the American Political Science Association, Brenda

Shaffer's interview with News.Az Azerbaijani website (see

http://www.news.az/a.../politics/77678) where once again Shaffer's

pro-Azerbaijani views and sentiments reveal themselves.

 

Her supposedly `expertise' on the history of Azerbaijan is apparent in

her book `The Azerbaijani Turks' (Hoover Institute Press, Stanford, 1992) where

towing the line of the anti-Armenian Azerbaijani academician Zia M.

Buniatov, she quotes form his works which claim:

 

The idea of Azerbaijan=85. is correctly used in respect to the territories

of Northern and Southern Azerbaijan beginning with the 6th century [bCE]=85.

According to Persian and Arabic sources=85. From the 8thcentury both Northern

and Southern Azerbaijan were understood by the name Azerbaijan.

 

That schmistorian for hire floosie brenda ben moshe ms. shoffar should perhaps study asszeri schmistory more to see where they say that Iriwan was and is an asszeri town.

This is all in retrospect Avagh Parats@s Antsavori, Alas Our Past Glory. -history according to Narek- Matean Voghbergutian/ Book of Lamentations. We can cry and lament all we want, until we have no more tears left.

When and how we let those dogs steal WA and called it furkey, and those other dogs steal EA and called it assebokhjan.

[hagopn]

Hellektor! This is huge, my friend, a huge effort.

 

By the way, if you are not aware, the Thomas Goltz/De Waal clone, Steven Sim, a.k.a. bell-the-cat, is still burning from your name.

 

No wonder he's upset! LOL. This posting of yours is absolutely damning to the Azerophiles!

[MosJan]

http://hayergiteqvor.blogspot.com/2014/06/1953.html

 

Հայաստանի վերջին բաժանումը նախատեսված էր կյանքի կոչել 1953 թ. ամռանը

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1933թ. Ադրբեջանի կոմկուսի առաջին քարտուղար հայազգի Ռուբեն Ղուկասի Ռուբենովին հաջորդեց Մ. Ջ. Բաղիրովը, ում նշանակումը չէր կարող անցնել առանց Բերիայի աջակցության և Ստալինի համաձայնության: Նախկին մուսվաթականը սերտ հարաբերություներ ուներ նաեւ Ա. Միկոյանի հետ: Պաշտոնավարման քսան տարիների (1933-1953) ընթացքում, իրեն անվանում էր «ադրբեջանական ժողովրդի հայր»: Նա հաճախ հայտարարում էր, թե Մեծ Հայրենական պատերազմի հաղթանակն ադրբեջանցի նավթագործների շնորհքն է: Բաղիրովին անվանում էին տեղային «Ստալին»: Ստալինյան բռնաճնշումներին Ադրբեջանում զոհ գնաց 70-120 հազար մարդ:
Երբ Հայաստանի Կոմկուսի առաջին քարտուղար Գրիգոր Հարությունյանը նամակով դիմեց Ստալինին` Լեռնային Ղարաբաղը Հայաստանին վերադարձնելու համար /1945թ. նոյեմբերի 11/, Բաղիրովը, նույն թվին, որպես հակընթաց փաստարկ, նամակով դիմեց Մալենկովին, որտեղ մասնավորապես գրված էր. «ԼՂԻՄ-ի վերադարձման հարցում դեմ չեմ, բայց Շուշիի շրջանի վերադարձման դեպքում առաջարկում եմ դիտարկել Հայաստանի ադրբեջանաբնակ Ազիզբեկովի, Վեդիի և Ղարաբաղլարի շրջանների միավորումը Ադրբեջանի հանրապետությանը»:
Ստալինի մահը նշանավորեց ստալինյան դարաշրջանի ավարտը, որին հետեւեց Բերիա-Բաղիրով քաղաքական առանցքի դատապարտումը: Սկսվեց Բաղիրովի դատավարությունը: Դատի ժամանակ ռազմական տրիբունալի նախագահի ու դատախազ Ռ.Ա. Ռուդենկոյի խաչաձեւ հարցաքննությամբ պարզվեց, որ Բաղիրովը ծրագրել էր Ադրբեջանին միացնել Դաղստանը, իսկ ինքը, Ստալինն ու Բերիան որոշել էին 1953-ի ամռանը կազմակերպել Հայաստանում բնակվող հայության մի վիթխարի բռնագաղթ, որով հանրապետության բնակչությունը կդառնար 1 միլիոնից էլ պակաս, որպեսզի զրկվեր միութենական հանրապետության իրավունքներից:
_ Ուրե՞մն Հայաստանը պիտի բաժան-բաժան արվեր, միացվեր հարեւաններին,_ հարցնում է ռազմական տրիբունալի նախագահը:
_ Այո',_ անվրդով պատասխանում է Բաղիրովը,_ ծրագիրը խափանվեց միայն Ստալինի մահվան պատճառով:
_ Բայց ո՞րն է հիմքը, ի՞նչն էր միավորում ձեր եւ Ստալինի տրամադրությունները,_ հարցնում է գլխավոր մեղադրող Ռոման Ռուդենկոն:
_ Ես Ադրբեջանի ղեկավարն էի: Կրեմլին ձեռնտու էր Արեւելքում, մահմեդական աշխարհի նախադռանն ունենալ Ադրբեջանի պես հզոր ու հավատարիմ մի հենարան-հանրապետություն,_ պատասխանում է Բաղիրովը:

Սոցիալիստական օրենքների խախտման, ինչպես նաև Բերիայի ոճրագործություններին հանցակից լինելու մեղադրանքով Մ. Ջ. Բաղիրովը 1956թ. մայիսի 7-ին դատապարտվեց գնդակահարման: Մայիսի 26-ին, Բաքվում, դատավճիռն ի կատար ածվեց:
Опубликовано 4th June пользователем Arshaluis Zurabyan