Beginning of Clashes

[Twilight Bark]

Allow me to disagree with you on your assessment of authorities and the opposition. The authorities' actions since March 1, paves the way toward 1984 type totalitarianism.

One almost wishes that the government had that type of competence and control, and then worry about its intentions.

 

The rulling party feels insecure to have a level field for competing on ideas, and is not for developing civil society,

Neither was LTP, according to his track record. He has shown nothing but cynical disdain for Armenians. He, perhaps with a little justification, seems to think that they are a bunch of morons. We need someone who is much deeper and full of love than that self-centered cynic.

 

otherwise they'd help to conduct fair elections.

The elections were not perfect, and Sarkisyan probably would need to go to the second round to win. But from all indications, LTP would not win in the second round. In any case, in a country where the intellectual level has gone down so much, and political maturity is nonexistent, "fair" election is not only impossible. It's an irrelevance. Don't you understand, without rational thinking and intellectual discussion, an election is only a tool to give the masses only the illusion of the control of their own destiny. This is true not only in Armenia, but also in most, if not all "democracies".

 

The authorities’ actions show their desire to turn Armenia into Lukashenko’s Belarus, pariah state

In fact, LTP's actions show that he is determined to make Armenia look like a pariah state. The government is doing its best given its limitations in intellect and vision.

 

shunned by the international community.

There is no such thing. It means a few big players whose interests do not align at all with Armenia's. And the vast majority of the real "international community" (not the usual euphemism for the few big, bullying countries) either doesn't care (or know) about Armenia, or are deeply islamic societies that wouldn't mind seeing Armenia disappear as a distinct force.

 

Below is just a small list of what they have done so far:

 

- Total control of all media and information sources (desire to brainwash people by controlling the information outlets. I guess controlling TV channels were not enough now they are after independent media). Why are they so afraid of dissidence.

- People’s freedom of assembly is severely prohibited. (new law passed by Parliament)

- Political persecution (100+ people are in prisons and 800+ has been detained and released)

- Disregard toward the international community (the calls from EU for independent investigation has been ignored by Mr. Kocharyan)

 

In retrospect any organization or a group of people that feels above the law and not accountable to anyone for longer period of time is bound to become a corrupt and despotic, which is the current reality in the Republic of Armenia.

Some of those "sins" were a legitimate reaction to an attempt at violent revolution. And overall, they represent a perfect summary of LTP's rule as well. So where does that leave us? Your answer to all the ills of the country is: bring back LTP. In that context, you have not provided one reason why people should support your agenda.

Edited March 20, 2008 by Twilight Bark

[alpha]

Justifying all the mistakes committed by the authorities is not going to solve the problems the Republic of Armenia is facing. Turning Armenia into second Belarus is shortsighted to say the least. I don’t think it’s a battle of people, SS vs. LTP. Both of them have done a lot for Armenia, and both of them handsomely benefited from the corrupt system. SS represents the status quo; do we want to keep the status quo? Do we want people's vote to be raped again? There has to be a stop to this vicious cycle.

 

Today's article by John Hughes in Armenia Today, presents a very good analysis of current events.

Birth Riot: State of Emergency revealed the Armenian Mockocracy

 

By John Hughes

ArmeniaNow editor

Published: 21 March, 2008

How many times can a man turn his head

 

Pretending he just doesn’t see . . .

 

Bob Dylan – Blowin’ in the Wind

 

This was worse than 1996 when Levon Ter-Petrosyan put Armenia under military shutdown in the aftermath of his disputed re-election. Worse than in 2004 when Robert Kocharyan used severe force against citizens attempting some version of a “colored” revolution.

 

Worse, even, than 1999 when madmen strewed bullets and death in parliament. Those acted as terrorists. March 1 was collective anger. This was mass unrest that deserved recognition for reasons other than the violence dissent led to.

 

In these 20 days since March 1 the ambitions of a government have suppressed the will of a people.

 

These Armenians deserve better than the Mockocracy that has been stunningly and arrogantly imposed upon them and that will not end just because a State of Emergency has been lifted.

 

They deserve better than the leadership of Robert Kocharyan-Serzh Sargsyan. Better leadership than might be possible had Levon Ter-Petrosyan realized his dream to reinvent his legacy. These Armenians deserve a leader who has not yet risen. Let us pray that he/she does before 2013.

 

Eight people are dead. Hundreds have wounds. Thousands have been morally shot down. More than 100 are jailed. Some are on the run.

 

For what? Why did March 1 happen?

 

It is a mistake to reduce this crisis to a conflict of personalities. This was not Serzh Sargsyan vs. Levon Ter-Petrosyan. This was institutionalized corruption vs. the frustration of perpetual alienation.

 

These protestors were not, indiscriminately, ne’r do wells fancying a fight. These were people fed up with every election season having to choose whether to have their votes bought or have them stolen. These were people sickened by hearing international do-gooders call elections “in line” with democracy, when these oppressed voters know better. The OSCE, the CIS, the US State Department safely and shamefully did not intervene while it might still have mattered. While it might have saved lives and not led to the derailing of an already wobbly attempted democracy.

 

Why did March 1 happen?

 

Because people who thought they could trust the democratic process had a brutal slap of truth that confirmed the reality of Soviet Armenia, these 17 years after the country has dropped the first half of its truer name.

 

Since March 1:

 

• Government censors have been placed in printing houses, shutting down newspapers.

• Television has been controlled more than ever by government persuasion.

• Radio broadcasts not authorized by government have been taken off the air.

• International television broadcasts – CNN and EuroNews – have been interrupted when they began reports about Armenia.

• Citizens were arrested for sending text messages.

• Distribution of any literature inconsistent with government ideology is punishable by imprisonment.

• Internet sites have been blocked.

• Citizens have been detained because of political persuasion and abused while being illegally held.

• By order of the National Assembly, a new law prohibits any public gathering that is (arbitrarily) expected of encouraging dissent.

 

Read the news out of Tibet this week and ask yourself if this government of Armenia holds up any better than China in its treatment of citizens, abuse of power, and failure to implement common principles rightly assumed by calling itself a democracy.

 

A defining moment occurred a couple weeks ago when Armenia’s Ombudsman, also known as its Human Rights Defender – appointed according to Council of Europe requirement to provide an avenue of citizen complaint -- criticized the government’s decision to use force on March 1.

 

When Ombudsman Armen Harutyunyan sympathized with the families of the dead, saying that they died needlessly, President Robert Kocharyan retorted by saying that he’d made a mistake in putting Harutyunyan in that post and that the advocate shouldn’t confuse Yerevan with Strasbourg, home of the European court of human rights.

 

In other words: “This is Armenia. We have our own rules here.”

 

It appears that, again, Armenia has revealed her true colors, and they are the red, white and blue the West wishes – without the white and blue.

 

Sadly, individuals and organizations in Diaspora who by their influence might pressure this leadership into reassessing its iron-fisted choke on inherently good people have not stepped up to exert the influence that money wields when politics fail.

 

Instead, respected individuals have been publicly silent while powerful organizations have promised “cooperation”. Why? Why not draw a line when “enough is enough” has become way too much?

 

Why not simply say that the dollars and pounds and euros stop until decency starts?

 

Why? Because the West no longer (if it ever did) holds the trump card that will decide whether Armenia comes up aces, or craps out on democracy. Leverage belongs to Mother Russia. (Kocharyan in fact said on Thursday that if the US should withdraw its $236 million Millennium Challenge aide, Armenia would “no doubt” find other avenues of funding.)

 

After western aid built up Armenia’s crumbled infrastructure, authorities here used the new foundation to exploit their personal connections with Russian comrades that has brought astounding wealth to a few, often at the expense of social welfare. While the US was busy funding seminars on civil society, Russian investors represented by Armenian foot servants were eyeing development of property and acquisition of resources that would scavenge a country while enhancing personal portfolios.

 

That’s the way capitalism should work, isn’t it? Having money and power guarantees the ability to create more money and power. Fine.

 

Let’s just not call Armenia a democracy. These terrible days prove that it is far from it.

 

© Copyright ArmeniaNow.com 2002-2008. All rights reserved.

 

 

[Twilight Bark]

Justifying all the mistakes committed by the authorities is not going to solve the problems the Republic of Armenia is facing.

Of course not. So those who are arguing against your assertion that LTP is the way to salvation are "justifying all the mistakes committed by the authorities"? That is breathtakingly disingenuous. Dishonest is the appropriate adjective.

 

Turning Armenia into second Belarus is shortsighted to say the least.

And who here advocated that? Who are you discussing this with? Ghosts?

 

I don’t think it’s a battle of people, SS vs. LTP.

But that was exactly your point when you returned to the forum after a long break. That LTP was the way to salvation. Your entire point was about individual personalities. You even confused "personalities" and "ideas" so much that, after we spent a day or two telling you about ideas and principles, and the fact that none of the candidates offered the right vision and ideas, you complained that "nobody seems to be for anyting", when you meant "nobody seems to be for SOMEBODY". Guess what, most people here don't see anyone on offer that's worth making a storm about. Otherwise, we have a pretty good idea of what needs to be done, thank you very much.

 

Both of them have done a lot for Armenia, and both of them handsomely benefited from the corrupt system. SS represents the status quo; do we want to keep the status quo? Do we want people's vote to be raped again? There has to be a stop to this vicious cycle.

To set the record straight, your proposed "solution" to fixing the status quo was basically a violent revolution in favor of installing LTP as the new "ruler".

 

 

Complaining about the status quo without a proposal to get there is as useful as complaining about the weather. As it stands, you either get an umbrella or get soaked in the rain and curse at the weather gods. Until we figure out a way to change the weather.

 

 

Today's article by John Hughes in Armenia Today, presents a very good analysis of current events.

Birth Riot: State of Emergency revealed the Armenian Mockocracy

 

By John Hughes

ArmeniaNow editor

Published: 21 March, 2008

 

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They deserve better than the leadership of Robert Kocharyan-Serzh Sargsyan. Better leadership than might be possible had Levon Ter-Petrosyan realized his dream to reinvent his legacy. These Armenians deserve a leader who has not yet risen. Let us pray that he/she does before 2013.

 

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Yeah. Well, that's what we have been saying here, haven't we? The rest is the familiar lamentation. Yeah, the weather sucks.

 

 

We can wait for some sort of a "messiah", or work with the system we are dealt and help it evolve from the ground up. It will take big investments from enlightened and rich Armenians, and NOT "benevolent" foreigners, in the form of money and vision to get there. At that point, a great "leader" would be largely redundant anyway, but is much more likely to emerge all the same. Until then, either get an "umbrella" or become a rich and enlightened Armenian who is willing to give his material and intellectual wealth to Armenia.

 

[garmag]

Who are these John Hughes types... that manage to become chief editor of ArmeniaNow news media? Public and international opinion formers?

 

As laymen, we also can analyse his analysis in the light of his inferences and innuendos...

 

After lathering Armenians with smooth sounding pre-ambles of, fairness, patronizing righteousness etc; his main point becomes apparent with the coup de grace that he dishes out on the unsuspecting reader.

 

Mr. Hughes ends his analysis with the following indoctrinating imprint .....

-Armenia is not a democracy... but what's worse is the following;

 

- his insinuation and DESTABILIZING pointers about the hoplessness of aspiring any beterment before 2013 whilst waiting for a new saviour to emerge.

 

- As if the above was not enough, he also, at the same time, undermines the elected authorities FOR THE NEXT 5 YEARS!

 

Why does he omit the declared coalition of four parties, incl. ARF, that represent over 75% of the population?

Enemies within are our most dangerous cancers in need of chemotherapy.

 

[Boghos]

If economic growth in Armenia continues at a decent speed, and it doesn´t really matter much how, there´ll be more people interested in having a voice.The need for pork will be substantially diminished and the mythical good old Soviet period will be buried forever. A middle class society is inherently more stable than one where people have very little to loose, or worse, tend to vote with their feet.There is a major difficulty here given that Armenia economically speaking is Yerevan and if we are going to have a real country we better make sure that the provinces are factored in.

 

[MosJan]

Who are these John Hughes types... that manage to become chief editor of ArmeniaNow news media? Public and international opinion formers?

 

As laymen, we also can analyse his analysis in the light of his inferences and innuendos...

 

After lathering Armenians with smooth sounding pre-ambles of, fairness, patronizing righteousness etc; his main point becomes apparent with the coup de grace that he dishes out on the unsuspecting reader.

 

Mr. Hughes ends his analysis with the following indoctrinating imprint .....

-Armenia is not a democracy... but what's worse is the following;

 

- his insinuation and DESTABILIZING pointers about the hoplessness of aspiring any beterment before 2013 whilst waiting for a new saviour to emerge.

 

- As if the above was not enough, he also, at the same time, undermines the elected authorities FOR THE NEXT 5 YEARS!

 

Why does he omit the declared coalition of four parties, incl. ARF, that represent over 75% of the population?

Enemies within are our most dangerous cancers in need of chemotherapy.

 

barekam hima el es mardun k@par ??

mard vor 10 tarva mej voch mio v@nasakar gorts chi arel - iyl avelin ognel yev barexosel e HAyeris yev HAyastani hamar

 

hima inch jisht xosel@ bozutyuna ?? lav eli - verch tveq eeee

esa hamar arajin Hayeris tun qandogh@ pitakavorum enq bolorin - tsatsn el chori het varvum gnum e - John@ vori ashxatanq@ mezanist shat shatern en Hamakrum yev HArgum avelini e arel Hayeri Yev HAyastani hamar qan 1000avor en q@rchot haykakan tertern yev amsagre@ + internety Kayqer@

 

 

bavakana

 

arden k@shatsanq minchev akanjernis

[garmag]

barekam hima el es mardun k@par ??

 

Baregam,

Kepelu hartz chi, yete mi mart 10 tarov lavutyun e arel yev mi or, vojragorzutyun, artyok seran che bedk a tatapartel?

Uremn tsez hamar, yete estex nerqaytsenem mi hivant aqnarq voryeve haga LTP-agan tvatsogh yerevuyt, ints tatapartum ek KEPOGHI?

 

If you can't distinguish what type of depressive mentality he creates by his article in a volatile and explosive athmosphere, all I can say is (John Hughes- and a fellow English editor- Armenianow, financed by foreign funds, USA congress...?) makes me wonder if his intentions are for the good of our country.

 

Criticism is healthy, hate and depression mongering is CRIMINAL.

I'd shudder to think there are some young Armenian journalists being trained by his types.

What do you know about his pre Armenia residency?

That's my opinion...

Edited March 23, 2008 by garmag

[MosJan]

Baregam,

Kepelu hartz chi, yete mi mart 10 tarov lavutyun e arel yev mi or, vojragorzutyun, artyok seran che bedk a tatapartel?

Uremn tsez hamar, yete estex nerqaytsenem mi hivant aqnarq voryeve haga LTP-agan tvatsogh yerevuyt, ints tatapartum ek KEPOGHI?

 

If you can't distinguish what type of depressive mentality he creates by his article in a volatile and explosive athmosphere, all I can say is (John Hughes- and a fellow English editor- Armenianow, financed by foreign funds, USA congress...?) makes me wonder if his intentions are for the good of our country.

 

Criticism is healthy, hate and depression mongering is CRIMINAL.

I'd shudder to think there are some young Armenian journalists being trained by his types.

What do you know about his pre Armenia residency?

That's my opinion...

 

 

 

iy @enker jan - ari du qo motik m@terim tev hamaxohnerin s@kzbits tataparti heto antsy es mardun

Isk@zbane maqrir qo bak@ heto urishin matnatsuyts ara

 

 

Americayi t@vats $$$$ kuteq hangist k@marseq, amerikayi t@vats ognutyun@ OK a tveq tesnenq inch enq anum - bayst americayi koghmits finansavorvats hamatsantsy kayq@ voch...

 

 

heriqa berannernits ach & dzax pateh anpateh shagh taq, mi hat dzer ugheghin uj tveq mi qich teseq te ur eq etum / yete dzer ughegh@ uni etqan karroghutyun m@tatselu yev datelu / bats forumi mej avel pakas durs eq talis

 

chap tveq dzer xosqin

[Aratta-Kingdom]

jogovurd jan, es inch ek korcre inchi hetevic ek @nke. voch lveno@, voch levonakanner@- voch serg@, yev voch el serjakanner@ azgi harcer@ chen lutselu. yete patmutyunic tegyak chek, forumum jamanak vatnelu poxaren bari yegek tertelu patmutyuan ejer@. inch yegav haryur tari araj, nuyn@ krknvum e yev aysor. yerkusn el ham dimadir ham @ndimadir en xagum. sorosi u berezovsku nermutsvats hegapoxutyun@ miayn u miayn mer azg@ yerkparktman e tanum. srancic yev voch mek@, bari bun imastov, azgi- jogovrdi masin chi mtatsum. hayrenashintyan gortsin lcvats yev voch mi andz ays asdijan dzayrahegutyan yerbeq chi gna. ays ambogj@ irenc krqer@ handstacnogh, u hanyev urishi dzerqum xagaliq dardzats, pornikneri gots e.

[Ashot]

@ndanrapes yete chisht kartsiqek uzum stanal ekeq ch@shmarit dzevov xosenq...

 

HARGUMEM NRAN OV TARIQAIN HARABERUTSYUN MECH CHI BERUM

 

isk bolor mnatsatsin ov vor miqich tariqova, yev ir sepakan kartsiqna kazmel yev p@nduma ayn vor ir asats@ chishta yev chiel tsankanum voreve dzevov lsel irenits miqich poq@rin, kam etqan harganq goyutsyun chuni nra mech vor karoghana nman qayli dimi uremn asem vor amot dzez!!!

 

Nax yev arach, teman asvuma inch petqe anenq, yes der chem tesel vor vorevitse mi tegh lini grvats vor menq petqa irar het vitchabanenq yev k@riv anenq!!!... Aysinqn, shat hamartsakoren karoghem dimel Moderatornerin vor yete hangarts tesnen mi andz ir kartsiqne handznum te inch petqe arvi, yev urish mek@ mianqamits "trnume demqin" yev chi toghum vor mart ir tchisht kartsiq@ artahayti, uremn petqe ayt andzin zgushatsum tal, yev bolor avelnort vichabanakan poster@ hanven... Inchqan karelie verch@ verchov p@novvel yev ampatvel dimatsi andzin, petqe miqich karqapahutsyun lini!!!

[Aratta-Kingdom]

Ashot, qo xosqic kareli a hetevutyun anel vor menq bolors qnnarkum enq mer shaherin dem gnacogh, mez amenevin chpakanogh harcer voronq inch vor dzevov patatvats en mer vzin parzapes mez zbagecnelu u nayev mer mej yerkparaktyun gcelu npatakov?

[Ashot]

Aratta jan... Storagrutsyun@s qo hartsin liovin patasxanuma!!!

 

Expayr hetevutsyan kariq ch@ka... yes parzoren asumem vor ays topici mitq@ naye vor amen mek@ haytni ir kartsiq@ te inch petqe arvi, huysovem imastnel bolor@ giten vor topic@ verabervuma Hayastani Hanrapetutsyan iravichaki masin... Isk menq ankx te teman incha nstelenq u eli qnnarkumenq ova sxal ova chisht, yev viravorelov meks myusis... Incha uremn menq enqan erexaenq, enqan anhaskatsoghenq vor chenq kara irar het arants anvanumneri, arants viravoranqneri yev yentadrutsyunneri xosenq? Indz amena shat@ barkatsnuma ayn vor xosqi orinak do ases 1+2 havasara 4-1 yesel asem ay @nger jan qezanits inch matematikos sharunakelov viravorel qez asem vor 4-1 havasara (3+9)/4 haskanumes che mitq@s? Nuyn dzevel pahumen irents es mer politicner@... yekeq zhoghovurt jan miqich barehampyur linenq arants viravoranqneri yev portsenq hargel amen meqi kartsiq@...

[garmag]

chap tveq dzer xosqin

 

Without insulting, but criticising and doubting the honesty of opinion makers that are foreign funded in Armenia... is the duty by all those that uphold the health of our nation.

 

Any one that aims to destabilize and undermine our country.....EVEN IF THEY PROVIDE $$$$s are to be rooted out!

 

BEFORE the enemies within are uncovered!... On what grounds should we clean our bretheren...? magrel mer baq@...

Do you think the west will allow such covert hateful innuendo without an outcry in all forums?

 

The intolerance of any healthy discussion is apparent here amongst us.

We should prevent a fratricidal war that will destroy Armenia at all costs.

The goal of western interests is exactly that, in order to maximize the profits that will surge from Azery oil...if Armenia is neutrlized!

 

Vorgan unchap yev anq@shir ek hamarum im xosqere?

[Anoushik]

Anybody watching the Round Table "Klor Seghan" on Ch. 31 in LA? Any thoughts?

[MosJan]

Without insulting, but criticising and doubting the honesty of opinion makers that are foreign funded in Armenia... is the duty by all those that uphold the health of our nation.

 

Any one that aims to destabilize and undermine our country.....EVEN IF THEY PROVIDE $$s are to be rooted out!

 

BEFORE the enemies within are uncovered!... On what grounds should we clean our bretheren...? magrel mer baq@...

Do you think the west will allow such covert hateful innuendo without an outcry in all forums?

 

The intolerance of any healthy discussion is apparent here amongst us.

We should prevent a fratricidal war that will destroy Armenia at all costs.

The goal of western interests is exactly that, in order to maximize the profits that will surge from Azery oil...if Armenia is neutrlized!

 

Vorgan unchap yev anq@shir ek hamarum im xosqere?

 

 

 

 

norist k@rknem te gunavor creannerov grem or haskanali lini dzez hamar

 

 

 

sirelis bats forumum es xosum mi mardu masin ov 10 tary HAyastani yev HAyeri hamar t@vel e shat avelin qan du yev yes irar het

 

chap tveq dzer xosqin !!!

 

Campyuteri Aryuts en dartsel bolor@

 

 

mardu arjanapatvutyan es k@pnum barekam - n@ran menq giten te ov e Isk du ov es ??? nick nami hetev @ paxkvats vor bernits yekatrs chekats asum es ???

 

 

norits em asum chap tur bernit yev xosqerit te ches yes k@tam et chap@!

sa qo verchi zgushatsum@ !!!

[elle]

Anybody watching the Round Table "Klor Seghan" on Ch. 31 in LA? Any thoughts?

 

 

I am....I did not see what happened yesterday though, but as I understand, someone tried to interfere right?

Did you see that part? Could you tell me what that person said when he tried to shut them up?

 

Finally, some people with common sense on TV, unlike that crazy Anahit types who openly state that the'tsurt ev mut tariner@ suteinr" lol... Ira uxexna sut!

 

I never heard of these people before..the ones who are present at the show, but they seem intelligent and right in their mind.

 

What are your thoughts?

Edited March 24, 2008 by elle

[Aratta-Kingdom]

I am....I did not see what happened yesterday though, but as I understand, someone tried to interfere right?

Did you see that part? Could you tell me what that person said when he tried to shut them up?

 

 

one of them said why aren't you answering the phone?

[Anoushik]

My thoughts are that they are correct. There needs to be an open dialogue between the opposing parties.

 

[Aratta-Kingdom]

Anoushik jan, in a situation like this one must be extra careful. Here the history repeats itself. Dimadir kam @ndimadir, chi bacarvum vor bolor koghmer@ hovanavorvum mievnuyn tegic.

[elle]

norist k@rknem te gunavor creannerov grem or haskanali lini dzez hamar

 

 

 

sirelis bats forumum es xosum mi mardu masin ov 10 tary HAyastani yev HAyeri hamar t@vel e shat avelin qan du yev yes irar het

 

chap tveq dzer xosqin !!!

 

Campyuteri Aryuts en dartsel bolor@

 

 

mardu arjanapatvutyan es k@pnum barekam - n@ran menq giten te ov e Isk du ov es ??? nick nami hetev @ paxkvats vor bernits yekatrs chekats asum es ???

 

 

norits em asum chap tur bernit yev xosqerit te ches yes k@tam et chap@!

sa qo verchi zgushatsum@ !!!

 

Dukel herika attacka anek nrants stex voronk dzer pes chen mtatsum!

Migutse duk nman dzeveri verj tak minchev nman dzevi urishi masin xosak!

Nshem naiev vor et dzer naxagah@ banel chi tvel hayastanin, batsi vor saxin otaratsrela, gitutun@ getnin havasaratsrets ergrum, saxin arevtrakan sargets...

 

Isk garmag@ inch sxal asets chem jokum? Erevi vor et ameninch@ drsi sargats baner?

Amotela Amerikaium aprelov nran asumes te ete ira kartsikner@ artahaitelu stop chta uremn du dran stop ktas?

 

Typical Levonakan tarineri politikaia nuin es forumum ete tentsa! Dzer Levonner vor Dashnakneri beran@ pagets tarinerov hayastanum! Ko asatsin u Levoni aratsin tarberutun ka incha?

Ev nshem vor erekva momentnel shat tarnsperenter!

Vochmek iravunk chuni mardkants es forum beranner@ pagel kam threatning anel.... ete du Garmagin asumes te du oves vor tentses xosum en mardu masin vor@ 10 tari karavarela.. (enel voch te karavarela ail kandela ergir@ barits bun imastov), isk du uremn oves vor iran asumes te vonts piti mtatsi?

Fascistakan forumes sargum es forum@? Te mardik el iravunk chunen irants enets express anel vonts karoxn?

Chanaits vonts ervuma problem chunek nrants het voronk dzer nmanen mtatsum...menak attackaiek anum nrants voronk chen mtatsum dzer dzevi!

 

Tents anek shutov menak dzer inner circlov klinek es forumum! Migutse et dzever@ dukel verjatsnek? Please note that I am basically saying what you just told garmag...about shutting him up just because you do not want to hear his views about someone that you side with. I am not expresing my own view here...I am simply showing you undemocratic you sounded by threatening garmag!

 

Enough is enough!

 

P.S. Do not threaten me again in your PM about how "some forum memebers will get me for what I have said before"

I am putting this all in the open because you're making this place seem like some sort of a fascist forum by trying to shut and manipulate people into getting kicked out of here!

 

That's treachery!

 

Try to delet this and I'll post it again......if you own this forum...then please let us know so that we will go by your own rules, but if you do not own it, you have no right to shut people up for their beliefs...in that case...you live in a wrong country my friend!

 

Like is said before enough is enough...I don't think garmag said anything offensive towards you personally...he spoke about the past failed government who brought the whole country to its knees at some point, so unless he didn't say anything bad about your family, you have no right to shut or threaten him (just like you threatened me) in anything!!!!!

Edited March 24, 2008 by elle

[elle]

one of them said why aren't you answering the phone?

 

 

LOL so they entered the studio in roder to say just that?

crazinesssss

 

thanks for the info...I didn't get what went on the day before

Edited March 24, 2008 by elle

[Anoushik]

Anoushik jan, in a situation like this one must be extra careful. Here the history repeats itself. Dimadir kam @ndimadir, chi bacarvum vor bolor koghmer@ hovanavorvum mievnuyn tegic.

Bayts hetaqrqir@ ayn e vor ovqer dem en karavarutyan@ kartsum en vor ovker hay massain chen hetevum LA-um uremn anpayman ashxatum en Hayastani karavarutyan hamar. Et haghordum@ tsuyts tvets vor shat, shater@ kan vor urish mtatselakerbutyun unen. De iharke, mer forumumel da menq misht tesel enq.

[Nané]

Tsavoq srti yes chem ditel ARTN-i "Klor Seghan" haghordum@. Yete kareli e nshq ovqer ein nerka yev inch himnakan kartsiqnyer yev lutsumner ein arajarkum.

[Ashot]

Idion "ELLE" MOVSES IS THE OWNER OF THE FORUM, so shut the hell up before I start posting on your cause...

 

You best leave before banned... at least that way you will have some self respect...

 

Dumb ass, first of all I did not want to get envolved in the convo as you begged me before not to get involved in your conversations... but enough is really enough... get out, you are not welcomed here!

[elle]

Idion "ELLE" MOVSES IS THE OWNER OF THE FORUM, so shut the hell up before I start posting on your cause...

 

You best leave before banned... at least that way you will have some self respect...

 

Dumb ass, first of all I did not want to get envolved in the convo as you begged me before not to get involved in your conversations... but enough is really enough... get out, you are not welcomed here!

 

 

So I was right.....you people jump on other peoples cases...just because he was speaking his mind, then not only you threaten him but you also threaten others for different views?

LOL

Why act like fascists?

What did I say that was wrong?

and who is the name caller here???

Did i even speak to you or call you an idiot?

Even if he is the owner of this forum....he should not shut up others...garmag never said anything bad about MosJan!

He should not have jumped on him like that!

Idotnel duies...

No wonder so many people told me that unless you do not agree with what they say....you will get banned!

My reaction at first was "huh?" how is that possible, but i see that my "huh???" reaction was not so wrong after all.... it is really true!

do not threaten me with some forum...

do not even speak to me...I asked you already....

Edited March 24, 2008 by elle