Turks May Intrude Into Armenia

[HyeFedayis]

THEY MAY EVEN INTRUDE INTO ARMENIA

 

[12:14 pm] 25 October, 2007

 

The “Armenian Aryan Union” expressed its concern about the incursion of Turkish military units into Iraq. The Turkish army has intruded into Northern Iraq “taking punishing measures against kurd terrorists - the Kurd Labour Party (KLP)”.

 

“This is may be compared to the US strategy, which resulted in the devastation of Iraq’s economy and reinforced regional tension, it also resulted in deaths of thousands of innocent people, - says the announcement, comparing this incursion with another attack,- Similar attack was carried out onto the independent territory of Cyprus. Turkish troops refuse to release the territory and, sharing Cyprus, they established an illegal Turkish state”.

 

“This problem troubles us since a number of Turkish authorities announced once that there were kurd terrorist groups in the territory of Armenia. These announcements have not been rejected by official Ankara. Thus, it is not excluded that some day Turkish troops may intrude into Armenia for carrying out alleged terrorist actions”, said the authors of the announcement. The Supreme Board of the “Armenian Aryan Union” appeals to the RA authorities and international community to hamper Turkish illegal military actions in Iraq.

[Mindtrap]

THEY MAY EVEN INTRUDE INTO ARMENIA

 

[12:14 pm] 25 October, 2007

 

The “Armenian Aryan Union” expressed its concern about the incursion of Turkish military units into Iraq. The Turkish army has intruded into Northern Iraq “taking punishing measures against kurd terrorists - the Kurd Labour Party (KLP)”.

 

“This is may be compared to the US strategy, which resulted in the devastation of Iraq’s economy and reinforced regional tension, it also resulted in deaths of thousands of innocent people, - says the announcement, comparing this incursion with another attack,- Similar attack was carried out onto the independent territory of Cyprus. Turkish troops refuse to release the territory and, sharing Cyprus, they established an illegal Turkish state”.

 

“This problem troubles us since a number of Turkish authorities announced once that there were kurd terrorist groups in the territory of Armenia. These announcements have not been rejected by official Ankara. Thus, it is not excluded that some day Turkish troops may intrude into Armenia for carrying out alleged terrorist actions”, said the authors of the announcement. The Supreme Board of the “Armenian Aryan Union” appeals to the RA authorities and international community to hamper Turkish illegal military actions in Iraq.

 

 

I hope there isn't one gram of truth to this because it makes my heart race and body tremble! I don't want to imagine those SOB's anywhere in our territory.

[AVO]

BS! No Turkish-Kurds or PKK members are in Armenia. Most of the Kurds/Yezdis are just peaceful villagers. Our border with Turkey is shut no one is coming in or going out and its guarded by the Russians. If Turkey attacks, they will be attacking Russia.

[AK-47]

Yeah such a thing is simply politically improbable. They didn't even attack during Artsakh liberation despite left and right threats...

 

Only thing that scares me in the far future is that they share a tiny bit of border with Nakhichevan which could be used. Man we really gotta draw up plans to get Nakhichevan back to its rightful people and/or get the Russians to patrol our border with Nakhichevan also.

Edited October 26, 2007 by AK-47

[AVO]

AK, Did you know that they bought or exchanged that territory with Iran, just to be connected with their cousins in Nakhichevan. And i believe that connection was one of the main reasons we didn't invade Nakhichevan as well. I'll try to find more info on whether they bought it or exchanged the territory with Iran.

[hagopn]

BS! No Turkish-Kurds or PKK members are in Armenia. Most of the Kurds/Yezdis are just peaceful villagers. Our border with Turkey is shut no one is coming in or going out and its guarded by the Russians. If Turkey attacks, they will be attacking Russia.

 

There are no Kurds in Armenia. The Yezidi are not accepted into the main Kurdish mold. The Yezidi never have participated in "Kurdish nationalism" neither in the past, present, and nor do they show the potential to do so in the future.

 

The empty verbiage from Ankara was almost official in Washington when a Bush official put Armenia in the terrorist states roster. The Bush administaton were humiliated badly due that error, but this shows how much a desire there is on Turkey's part to attack Armenia.

[AVO]

There are no Kurds in Armenia. The Yezidi are not accepted into the main Kurdish mold. The Yezidi never have participated in "Kurdish nationalism" neither in the past, present, and nor do they show the potential to do so in the future.

 

The empty verbiage from Ankara was almost official in Washington when a Bush official put Armenia in the terrorist states roster. The Bush administaton were humiliated badly due that error, but this shows how much a desire there is on Turkey's part to attack Armenia.

 

Yezdis themselves claim, that they are not Kurds. Kurds are muslim, while Yezdis have their own weired religion, and for some reason they don't like talking about it with strangers. Good people, they helped us in the Artsakh war.

 

[Eurocentric]

Yes many Yezdis participated during the Artsakh liberation war.

 

But there are some ethnic Muslim Kurds, once in a while they protest in Yerevan holding banners of Ocalan. Very few. Their villages are on the road towards Abaran.

 

Btw, there were even a couple of Udmurts from an Udmurt settlement in Armenia that participated in the war. I saw a documentary about their help in Armenia.

[hagopn]

Yezdis themselves claim, that they are not Kurds. Kurds are muslim, while Yezdis have their own weired religion, and for some reason they don't like talking about it with strangers. Good people, they helped us in the Artsakh war.

 

They helped us during the Zangezur conflict and fought under Nzhdeh's command. They also lost around 300,000 victims to the genocide and preceding massacres.

 

Now the Anglo-American interests - the Big Daddy Pimps for Turks - have been trying to animate them as an "ethnic enclave," which they are not. The Yezidi have been good about knowing who has been their true protector and big brother. The only true support this culture has seen is in Armenians,a nd much to their credit, they are aware and do acknowledge it.

[Nazarian]

THEY MAY EVEN INTRUDE INTO ARMENIA

 

[12:14 pm] 25 October, 2007

 

The “Armenian Aryan Union” expressed its concern about the

 

How can anyone take these idiots seriously?

[HyeFedayis]

You have your opinion they have theres. There are worse than these organizations.

[Johannes]

Good people, they helped us in the Artsakh war

Also in Sardarapat by Jihangir agha forces. They are from Western Armenia and migrated to Eastern Armenia with our people. They hate the Kurds, because Kurds persecuted them, like us.

I heard many times from them, the name of their people ''Ezdi'' or ''Azdi''; I think Ezd is their god. There is a town in central Iran called Ezd-Azd. Not to forget the king YazdKert – Յազդկերտ-Հազկերտ. They call themselves also as Zradashti.

Եզրակացութիւն. Եզիդ-ի անունի հետ կապ չունի, Յեզիդ արաբական անուն է, մինչ իրենք իսլամութեան հետ կապ չունին: Իրաքի մէջ ունին նորակառոյց տաճար մը, որուն գմբեթը շատ նման է հայկական տաճարներու գմբեթներուն:

[hagopn]

Also in Sardarapat by Jihangir agha forces. They are from Western Armenia and migrated to Eastern Armenia with our people. They hate the Kurds, because Kurds persecuted them, like us.

 

I heard many times from them, the name of their people ''Ezdi'' or ''Azdi''; I think Ezd is their god. There is a town in central Iran called Ezd-Azd. Not to forget the king YazdKert – Յազդկերտ-Հազկերտ. They call themselves also as Zradashti.

 

Եզրակացութիւն. Եզիդ-ի անունի հետ կապ չունի, Յեզիդ արաբական անուն է, մինչ իրենք իսլամութեան հետ կապ չունին: Իրաքի մէջ ունին նորակառոյց տաճար մը, որուն գմբեթը շատ նման է հայկական տաճարներու գմբեթներուն:

 

In my opinion they are the inheritors of an older religion of the Medes/Mar. The pre-Zoroastrian mythology outlined in the Gassa in the Avesta talks about Azhdahak as a king with a crown adorned with snakes. Our own Movses Khorenatsi says the same thing about Ashdahak, and the root of the name Ashdahak is Izh, իժ, ամենայն թոյնավոր օձ, որ նայեւ ճանչցուած է իբրեը ամենայն իմաստուն, ոյժեղ յիշողութեամբ, վրիժառու բնավորութեամբ. It's not entirely improbable, considering the strong snake worship/veneration link between Աժդահակ, the root of իժ, and Yazd/Yezid, that these words all have the same root. There is a village in Iran named Marakan (in the same genitive as Armenian, "of the Mar/Mede") in the territory where the Yezidi had traditionall lived.

[hagopn]

In my opinion they are the inheritors of an older religion of the Medes/Mar. The pre-Zoroastrian mythology outlined in the Gassa in the Avesta talks about Azhdahak as a king with a crown adorned with snakes. Our own Movses Khorenatsi says the same thing about Ashdahak, and the root of the name Ashdahak is Izh, իժ, ամենայն թոյնավոր օձ, որ նայեւ ճանչցուած է իբրեը ամենայն իմաստուն, ոյժեղ յիշողութեամբ, վրիժառու բնավորութեամբ. It's not entirely improbable, considering the strong snake worship/veneration link between Աժդահակ, the root of իժ, and Yazd/Yezid, that these words all have the same root. There is a village in Iran named Marakan (in the same genitive as Armenian, "of the Mar/Mede") in the territory where the Yezidi had traditionall lived.

 

Oh, let me also add that snake-handling techniques are advanced in that region as well as Armenian, indicating a snake-worship past. In the Ջրառատ village in the Արմավիր Մարզ, where my wife comes from, there is a family, a entire գերդաստան, who have the peculiar habit of having the snake bite them to build immunity at an early age. All the boys in the family do this as a tradition, and they are tasked by tradition as the people who handle snakes in the region.

[hagopn]

Oh, let me also add that snake-handling techniques are advanced in that region as well as Armenian, indicating a snake-worship past. In the Ջրառատ village in the Արմավիր Մարզ, where my wife comes from, there is a family, a entire գերդաստան, who have the peculiar habit of having the snake bite them to build immunity at an early age. All the boys in the family do this as a tradition, and they are tasked by tradition as the people who handle snakes in the region.

 

Sorry, I missspelled Աժդահագ as Աժդահակ:

[Arpa]

This is minboggling. It is unbelievable.

I know this woman, I met her with a bunch of other Yezidi Kurds in 1995 at Khor Virab.

Her name is Gayaneh, she is a physician by training, and she showed me the cross necklace. I have her on video tape speaking in Kurdish that she wanted me to show to the Kurdish society of NY. I don't know what she was saying, just as I don't know what she is saying here except that at one point she sounds like she is saying she is Kurdish but a "khristyan".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ7bZCK67iU

[hagopn]

This is minboggling. It is unbelievable.

I know this woman, I met her with a bunch of other Yezidi Kurds in 1995 at Khor Virab.

Her name is Gayaneh, she is a physician by training, and she showed me the cross necklace. I have her on video tape speaking in Kurdish that she wanted me to show to the Kurdish society of NY. I don't know what she was saying, just as I don't know what she is saying here except that at one point she sounds like she is saying she is Kurdish but a "khristyan".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ7bZCK67iU

 

Here is what a Yezidi with the username antikurd000007 had to say to her about her apparent claim that her people are actually Kurds.

 

"You whore, in your account there is full army of Yezids and Armenians, if you don't get enough pleasure any more from them, and want to swap it to Kurds then its your own right, but no one gave you the right to talk behalf of Yezids, who in geographical occupancy thousands of years saved their culture, religion and identity with the price of their own life's. Comparing to them, you sold your self with the exchange of rise and flour. "

[AK-47]

I don't like the sound of this... even if it may be false.

 

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PKK militants fleeing to Armenia, four killed

 

The New Anatolian / Ankara

20 April 2008

 

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Turkish forces in northeastern Anatolian continued to hunt down PKK militants on Sunday and in clashes killed four militants and lost one soldier, military sources reported.

 

This time the clashes were carried to the northeastern border area of Kars where the PKK militants are said to be fleeing to Armenia.

 

Another Turkish soldier was wounded during the clashes in Kars. Operations are under way in the region, it added.

 

Turkey and most of the international community, including the EU and the U.S., consider the PKK a terrorist organization. Turkey launched a major eight-day ground incursion against the PKK in February, sending thousands of troops into Iraq.

 

Source: http://www.thenewanatolian.com/tna-32062.html

[Aratta-Kingdom]

It's a know fact that many of the PKK leaders are/were armenian by origin. It is also a fact that there are millions of hidden armenians who live in turkey. However, i refuse to accet the fabrication that the turkish news agency spreads. The border with Armenia is not an open gate that anyone can come and go any time. Not to mention, when there are gun fires along the border, there is no way the Russian soldiers would let anyone to cross the border. That would simply be too stupid!

[irlandahay]

How can anyone take these idiots seriously?

 

I am an Armenian Aryan

 

who can take Levon ter Petrossian seriously is the question.

 

to me it makes some sense to prepare for the worst...even tho it never comes.

 

Turkey has the reputation of being irrationally violent and just because there are a few russian troops in the way might not stop them. On top of that, russia has clearly said that if there is a war with Turkey, there is no 100% certainty that they will take any part in it.

 

 

[Aratta-Kingdom]

THEY MAY EVEN INTRUDE INTO ARMENIA

 

The government of turkey keeps the border with Armenia closed because they are afraid of the Armenian influence [that will be spread in the eastern part of the country]. There are millions of hidden Armenians in turkey who wait for an opportunity to come out from hiding. Why you think the kemalist don't want turkey to join E.U. ? Remember what happened with gorbachev and perestroyka? One might argue it was a well planned move... ... that however, doesn't change the fact that once the border was open, a wave of new ideas and a sense of freedom turned the people against the ruling regime.

Edited April 20, 2008 by Aratta-Kingdom

[Z'areh]

This whole business of PKK in Armenia is nothing but propaganda by the Turkish/Azeri side. They are throwing trial balloons to see what the Western reaction would be, implenting in Western media the ideas that Just like the Israeli propaganda model they would claim the right to "fight against terrorism", at the same time using this pretext to attack "PKK bases" in Armenia or Artsakh.

 

This is right out of Israeli military MO page, perhaps suggested by Israel itself.

 

 

 

It's a know fact that many of the PKK leaders are/were armenian by origin. I

 

No Aratta K, it is not a known fact that PKK leaders are or were Armenian by origin, unless you buy into Turkish propaganda.

 

For intense, big deal is made in Turkey of Ocalan's nickname being Apo, which many Turks try to connect this to Armenians, which is nonsense, there are linguistic (and names) commonalities among the peoples of the region. There is a newspaper published in Baku called Azad Azerbaijan, for example.

 

If there are Turks or Kurds who have Armenian blood, which is highly likely, it does not mean that PKK has any Armenian connection, as is being implied.

 

Anyways, as for PKK fleeing into Armenia, you're absolutely right, they would not get past the Russian soldiers, unless the Turks are ready to accuse Kremlin as being part of a grand anti-Turk conspiracy along with the Armenians.

 

What idiots!!

Edited April 21, 2008 by Z'areh

[Arpa]

This whole business of PKK in Armenia is nothing but propaganda by the Turkish/Azeri side. They are throwing trial balloons to

For intense, big deal is made in Turkey of Ocalan's nickname being Apo, which many Turks try to connect this to Armenians, which is nonsense, there are

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If there are Turks or Kurds who have Armenian blood, which is highly likely, it does not

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What idiots!!

Yes, those idiots played on the given name "Abdallah" Ocalan to sound like "abo/apo" (from the Kurdish "abdo")** when those idiots don't even know that the Armenian "abo/apo" is an abbreviation of "abraham/apraham". Armenian? No way!!! Yewish/Arabic/ Aramaic?!!

** When those idiots don't even know that in their Arabo-furkish language "abdul", from "abeed" means servant and by association it means "negro/nigger"! In the Arabic wher "fstuq abeed" պիստակ/pistacchio may mean "peanut" it also means "nigger-nut".

So! please don't bring us that BS of Ochalan being Armenian. Does he know how to say "barev, inchpes es"?

Edited April 21, 2008 by Arpa

[Nor Hayastan]

BS! No Turkish-Kurds or PKK members are in Armenia. Most of the Kurds/Yezdis are just peaceful villagers. Our border with Turkey is shut no one is coming in or going out and its guarded by the Russians. If Turkey attacks, they will be attacking Russia.

 

Actually Avo jan, turkish trucks can come into Armenia. That's the reason why Armenia has a lot of turkish goods, because we get shipments from turkey. I remember very well in 2006, as we were going through the mountains, we were almost in Stepanakert, I saw 2... yes 2 trucks from turkey, I forgot what was written on them, but it was in turkish. I even have video to prove it lol

 

But yes, Russia has strategic interests in Armenia as well, considering azerbaijan also wants to join NATO in the near future.

[Eurocentric]

Actually Avo jan, turkish trucks can come into Armenia. That's the reason why Armenia has a lot of turkish goods, because we get shipments from turkey. I remember very well in 2006, as we were going through the mountains, we were almost in Stepanakert, I saw 2... yes 2 trucks from turkey, I forgot what was written on them, but it was in turkish. I even have video to prove it lol

 

But yes, Russia has strategic interests in Armenia as well, considering azerbaijan also wants to join NATO in the near future.

 

They come through Georgia.

The border between Armenia and Turkey is closed.