Mindtrap Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Why are you concerned/worried that you might get attacked for your views in this forum? I've seen the above question before in your posts. Hmm... The reasoning for my paranoia is based on other experiences ive had on Armenian forums. As soon as I was in disagreement with the mods, I was "accidentally" blocked from the website and had to contact administrators to get the issue resolved. I eventually left. I absolutely understand what the objection is for and what was meant, however I sense an underlying resentment for those with wealth from some individuals. Not only from the forum but in life. Life in Armenia is not a breeze but we shouldn't make it out to be some type of miracle people have food. It is hard, just as hard as things were/are in other second world nations. I try to visit every few years and have seen a tremendous growth in the city of Yerevan and other regions. When we visit, we stay in a home by ourselves, do our shopping and try to get an understanding on what it takes to live there daily. The last time I was there (2005) it coast approximately $6 a day to have a decent life and be able to have the common ammenities and luxuries most have. I understand its difficultly and don't what to minimize the situation, but look how far we've come. Its nothing less that amazing! Do we need more to be done, of course. Seeing how far off course ive traveled, lets take it back to the wedding issue. If Gagig Tsarukyan were to have a small wedding in a small banquet hall with on performers and the other lavish things we see, the citizens of Armenia would bad mouth him for the next decade. Our actions and life are governed in part by our economic status. If you are making $200 a moth, you live like it. If you are one of the richest people in a country, you live like it. This is the system we as a people chose, now we will live by the "consequences" of our actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Mindtrap, first you don't have to worry about expressing your views in this forum Second, I agree with you in regards to the improvement in Armenia and the fact that the rich have to spend according to the money they make. But in this case, is it really necessary to throw a wedding similar to Charles' and Diana's wedding? It's pretentious and immodest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindtrap Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 I think Charles and Diana had a more modest wedding. I completely understand where you all coming from and I see how my comments have been harsh. However I think we should see the other side of the issue as well, regardless of my belief in it. I think there are so many phsycological issues to be dealt with in accordance to this wedding. Somehow (and Ive seen it in Armenian here and there) we have become a society (not everyone but a good portion) of material things. Everything is "bigger and better" with us and we try to out do our neighbor. Again, I dont want to direct this toward everyone but a good portion of our society falls under this category. We have a bigger problem here, that problem is the loss of our Armenian identity in the coming future. There is this divide that grows larger by the day. It is like the rich and poor, but in our case, the "traditional" for lack of a better word and the modern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 lol qavor@ inch GAZAN demqa bayc. Paps asum er "Geghacin vor qaghaqacia darnum 40 tari vric geghacu hota galis yev hakarak@ qaghaqacin vor geghacia darnum 40 tari vric qaghaqacu hota galis" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 our problem is not about Gago's money , it's about how some conduct bossiness in Armenia, how new Armenians are behaving, ethics... tell me if you like the way Seyran is behaving in the video ? the way he is dressed or his appearance, is it normal ? well tomorrow some 19 year old kid who just happened to like Seyran will behave the same and dress like him will appear in public like him and why should e be any different ha ?? if sayran can so can you and me.... we all get the part that Gago Axper an Seyran Hopar need to get rich in order for them to open new a store, shops, casinos, factories that general population of Armenia will benefit by working and by having locally made good,s but thats only one side of the book the way of conducting business in Armenia - an example - Lfic Samo Armenia Hit By Sugar Shortage By Shakeh Avoyan Armenian authorities and retailers gave on Tuesday conflicting explanations of mysterious shortages of sugar in the country that cast fresh spotlight on the lucrative monopoly on imports of this and other foodstuffs enjoyed by a government-connected tycoon. Sugar was not available for sale in most grocery stores in Yerevan. Supermarkets owned by Samvel Aleksanian, a businessman close to the government, were apparently the only places where city residents could buy it at a reasonable price. Long lines of people could be seen outside them throughout the day. The crisis erupted on Saturday as the retail price of sugar suddenly skyrocketed from an average of 230 drams ($0.7) per kilogram. Some stores were selling it for as much as 600 drams per kilogram on Monday evening. The Armenian government’s anti-trust body, State Commission on the Protection of Economic Competition on Tuesday blamed the “artificial shortage” on retailers, saying that they deliberately cut sugar supply to make “super profits.” ” “We know that some shops have stored sugar that was not put up for sale yesterday so that they can sell it for 600 drams,” said the commission chairman, Ashot Shahnazarian. However, retailers interviewed by RFE/RL rejected the accusations, laying the blame on Aleksanian’s Salex Group company that single-handedly controls wholesale sugar imports to Armenia. “He probably wants to boost his supermarkets’ rating by not supplying others,” said one grocery store manager, who asked not to be identified. “He is probably trying to show that he is the boss in the republic and can easily hurt other people.” “There is simply no sugar in the market right now,” added the manager. “We just can’t buy it from our [wholesale] supplier.” But Shahnazarian insisted that Aleksanian and his company are not responsible for the unprecedented crisis. He argued that Aleksanian’s supermarkets did not raise the sugar price to cash in on the shortages. Aleksanian, better known to most Armenians as Lfik Samo, is one of the country’s wealthiest entrepreneurs who holds sway in Yerevan’s blue-collar Malatia-Sebastia district. A parliament deputy affiliated with the governing Republican Party, he has close ties with President Robert Kocharian and Prime Minister Serzh Sarkisian. Those ties are believed to be the key factor behind his de facto monopoly on imports of sugar, flour, cooking oil, butter and other basic foodstuffs. The sugar crisis began just days after a sharp increase in the retail price of cooking oil and butter. Shahnazarian’s commission found the price hike “artificial and unjustified” and fined Salex on Thursday. (Photolur photo: Samvel Aleksanian.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 lol qavor@ inch GAZAN demqa bayc. Paps asum er "Geghacin vor qaghaqacia darnum 40 tari vric geghacu hota galis yev hakarak@ qaghaqacin vor geghacia darnum 40 tari vric qaghaqacu hota galis" mi hat ushadir nayi qavor @iren inchpesa pahum iren pesu tann@.. qano varkyana mnum pesua tan@ 1 bajak xmum yev shio tap durs galis.. yes ser@ haskanum em - sakayn mi urish ban el ka mard pit iren havasarin arni !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Em Posted October 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 mi hat ushadir nayi qavor @iren inchpesa pahum iren pesu tann@.. qano varkyana mnum pesua tan@ 1 bajak xmum yev shio tap durs galis.. yes ser@ haskanum em - sakayn mi urish ban el ka mard pit iren havasarin arni !!! Vay, het gnatsi mi kani tari. Te imanas inchqan em lses es nuyn barrer@ im tsnoghnerits, harazatnerits, barekamnerits yev nuynisk otar harevannerits...lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindtrap Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 our problem is not about Gago's money , it's about how some conduct bossiness in Armenia, how new Armenians are behaving, ethics... tell me if you like the way Seyran is behaving in the video ? the way he is dressed or his appearance, is it normal ? well tomorrow some 19 year old kid who just happened to like Seyran will behave the same and dress like him will appear in public like him and why should e be any different ha ?? if sayran can so can you and me.... we all get the part that Gago Axper an Seyran Hopar need to get rich in order for them to open new a store, shops, casinos, factories that general population of Armenia will benefit by working and by having locally made good,s but thats only one side of the book the way of conducting business in Armenia - an example - Lfic Samo You hit the nail on the head. Its not a money problem we have, but an ethics problem that has mysteriously emerged in a large portion of our youth. We lack popular hero's for these individuals to look up to and because they are not made aware and taught about our culture, they automatically look toward the tough, rich, and powerful. I understand this issue has been brought up time and time again, but the question is, how do we change it? As ive grown (just a bit) Ive begun to notice this drift in the Armenian youth. We have a portion that is going to school, educating themselves and trying to be a positive part of the community. In contrast, I witness the other half (stereotype alert) "cruzin in their benzo bumpin game" (which im guilty of doing as well) and trying to live the life they see on MTV. Its an epidemic and I may be dreaming but we need to somehow, somewhere do something to change our future. Again, I understand my tone was rude and harsh but our youth is a subject that I am very passionate about. Ive worked with an after school program for many years and see it all happening before my eyes. I see Armenian children who's parents are not together, father ran off, sibling from other parents and so forth. So... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_femme333_ Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Tha house is so ugly. Wow! I didn't expect that at all. With all that money you'd think that he can buy himself some taste, but not according to the interior of his house. Who in their right mind enjoys living in a 19th century interior house. Chi naivum arden tents designi tner@ u shat rabiz tpavorutuna toxum. My own house is probably 1,000 times smaller than his, but my interior is so much nicer than his whole mansion. Makes me want to laugh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emil Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 I just received a letter from my sponsored child who says his gandmother is too old and sick, his father an employee, a gurd at Do you really sponsor a child in Armenia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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