Shahan Araradian Posted July 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 (edited) This is precisely the problem in our community. We feel we need to raise funds for every little thing. Have we not heard of capitalism? When was the last time Oxford raised funds in order to keep up a professional dictionary managed by academically trained lexicographers? When was the last time Cambridge raised funds in order to publish English grammar books written by some of its best grammarians? And no, not "professionals," but professionals. Have a little respect! Certainly Oxford and Cambridge have to raise some sort of funds to HIRE these people!! In the case of the universities you mentioned, the University of Oxford has a £3.6 billion (7.3 billion USD) endowment and the University of Cambridge has a £4.1 billion (8.3 billion USD) endowment. At a conservative 10% return on investment, that is $730 milliion USD and $830 million USD per year cash flow for each of these universities. You are asking whether Oxford or Cambridge have to raise funds to higher academicians? They ALREADY HAVE!!! That was step 1. Now, you need to have some sort of cash flow to hire these Armenian professionals. You might be able to employ them for quite cheap in Armenia: perhaps less than $25K per head. So we don't need millions for this project, perhaps around $100K which is peanuts compared to the millions raised for the Telethon to produce a high-quality and free online dictionary. You touched the core of our problem: we expect everything to be done freely and voluntarily. We say "shame on you" if anyone of us tries to sell something to a fellow Armenian. Why do you think I said you need to raise money? In order to PAY your fellow Armenians -- maybe a group of 4 professional in Armenia -- to do the job. You DO need to raise capital -- in capitalism -- to get the work you need done accomplished. And you'll be PAYING a group of ARMENIANS to do this work. Who said anything about NOT paying Armenians? (That was your imagination talking...) Perhaps it's high time we learned the ropes of capitalism. Don't underestimate your fellow Armenian The first rule is: if there is no demand, then there will be no supply. What about things that occur in nature? There's plenty of rock and ocean, but not much demand for them. Same thing with stars [except for the Sun...] From what I get from you, there is absolutely no demand for a professional dictionary. If I thought that, then I would NOT suggest having an open source dictionary. Having an open source dictionary implies that there's a community of Armenian language enthusiasts out there... We will build an open source Armenian dictionary and see what happens. As it stands, Nayiri.com provides the most advanced free Armenian dictionary on the Internet. But it's not open source in the sense that you can't edit it... We need something that can be editable by anyone -- by the community of Armenian language enthusiasts... The result is that you shall get what you deserve, that is, no professional dictionary. I think (and I emphasize the "I") an open source Armenian dictionary is the QUICKEST way to a professional dictionary on the web. (Entries from your Sovetakan Bararan, or any other dictionary, may be added, as long as it agrees with the licensing of the GNU Free Documentation License -- and I think all works of the former Soviet Union are fair game.) Who says that open source cannot be professional? 2/3 of all Web Servers run the Apache HTTP Server, an open source WWW server. The vast majority of business servers now run Linux. And all of the protocols of the Internet -- including TCP/IP -- are open source. And not to mention the high quality of Wikipedia... So the argument against open source producing PROFESSIONAL quality is not valid. As for 20,000 words: that's a joke. That's not even a pocket dictionary. Excuse me your highness for insulting your intelligence with 20,000 words. My Sovetakan Bararan has a minimum of 120,000 words, and even that is hardly enough for me. Shakespeare used a total of about 22,000 different words in his work, so I think you are a super-genius if you command more than 20,000 words. But then, I belong to the category of people who demand a professional dictionary. From what I am understanding, I am a very small minority. I don't know. I have not surveyed all 8 million Armenians, and you shouldn't multiply my opinion -- or, rather, your interpretation of my opinion -- 8 million times across all Armenians. Hence, there shall be no supply. Therefore my conclusion that our language is doomed and deserves to be doomed. I'm sure you already know this, but you are quite a pessimist. One of the MAJOR reasons I want to create a FREE and OPEN SOURCE (and HIGH QUALITY) Armenian dictionary is BECAUSE I want Armenians to have free access to this information. Because I WANT to create demand for the Armenian language. And I don't expect Armenians to pay money for an electronic dictionary, because not American pays a penny for an electronic dictionary for his/her computer!!! It comes FREE now in the information age! (so to answer a previous question more directly: I wouldn't put my own money into a business venture that's going to produce an electronic Armenian dictionary. And NOT because there's no demand for Armenian dictionaries; it's because no one would buy it... It's expected to be free...) If you are INDEED that smart and command 120,000 words, then you can write a few charming letters to some people and get them to create a project to get that 120,000 word "Sovetakan Bararan" -- and MORE -- online. (Around $100K should be enough to employ 4 professionals in Armenia for a year.) Meanwhile, I'll be working on the open-source Armenian dictionary for us ordinary Armenians who only command less than 5,000 Armenian words and will be satisfied with an initial 20,000 words. When we find some "elite" Armenians to contribute to the effort, then we'll be soooo lucky as to have access to another 100,000 words. Anyways, I'm wasting too much time pontificating when I can just be writing the code... Edited July 17, 2007 by Shahan Araradian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Էլիա Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 (edited) Anyway, I think nayiri.com is an excellent website for Western Armenians who need to increase their vocabulary and spelling skills. And I don't see why some Eastern Armenians are mad about this, especially since there's a substantially larger amount of Eastern Armenian online dictionaries than Western Armenian online dictionaries. In fact, this might be the only Western Armenian online dictionary, and the spell checking makes it a lot more useful! So fellow Armenians, please stop fighting and just accept the fact that Eastern and Western Armenian are both equal dialects, and therefore, should be treated and recognized in the same manner. Thank you. Edited July 17, 2007 by Էլիա Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Shahan, stop talking out of your buttocks and start using your head. Of couse we have to pay our professionals. We pay them by buying their work and not by acting as charity foundations. You're the one who started talking about fund-raising, not me. Excuse me your highness for insulting your intelligence with 20,000 words. Shakespeare used a total of about 22,000 different words in his work, so I think you are a super-genius if you command more than 20,000 words. It's not about me commanding more than 20,000 words. It's about me wanting to look up words used by other people that I do not know. How often has it happened that you read a word, in any random language, and looked it up in your pocket dictionary to find that it doesn't have an entry? I've had that problem with my four volume 120,000-word dictionary, which speaks volumes in itself. As for your open-source blah blah, I have never said that we should not have free dictionaries that anyone and everyone can edit. What I am saying is that we also need a professional dictionary if we want to be taken seriously and if we want our language to survive. By the way, the OED is not a completely closed source. Anyone is welcome to send in words that have not yet been taken up by the OED. But the OED does have the final say and only enters words depending on certain criteria, which I think is only fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahan Araradian Posted July 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Shahan, stop talking out of your buttocks and start using your head. That was rather un-lady like. I'd rather you take a point I made and comment at it instead of hurling an insult... Of couse we have to pay our professionals. We pay them by buying their work and not by acting as charity foundations. You're the one who started talking about fund-raising, not me. Charity works wonders in capitalism... And it did so even during the Renaissance (Italy). Ever heard of the Medicis? It's not about me commanding more than 20,000 words. It's about me wanting to look up words used by other people that I do not know. How often has it happened that you read a word, in any random language, and looked it up in your pocket dictionary to find that it doesn't have an entry? I've had that problem with my four volume 120,000-word dictionary, which speaks volumes in itself. As a first step, I'm more interested in providing that 5% of Armenian words that will be used by 95% of Armenians. Those interested can add another 100,000 or 1,000,000 words if they have the will and ability to do so. (If each word takes up even 10 KiloBytes, that would be 1,000,000 words x 10 KiloBytes per word = 10 GBytes. And I can buy 10 GigaBytes of RAM for only $500 -- and in 18 months it will cost only $250 by Moore's Law -- and have an entirely IN MEMORY database for SUPER fast lookups for words. Alternatively, I'll have 2 GBytes of RAM, and 10 GB of disk which costs $0.25 per GB of disk x 10 GB = $2.50 for a slightly slower dictionary lookups, around 10 times slows.) So even if you throw a million Armenian words at the system (which I think is impossible b/c Armenian does not have that many words) the system can still handle it. As for your open-source blah blah, I have never said that we should not have free dictionaries that anyone and everyone can edit. What I am saying is that we also need a professional dictionary if we want to be taken seriously and if we want our language to survive. Our language will survive not by having a "professional dictionary" collect dust in some Oxford, Cambridge, or Harvard library. Our language will survive by Armenians SPEAKING it... And what better way than distributing the basics of a language -- a dictionary -- Freely to them? What better way than having them PARTICIPATE in the creation of the greatest Armenian dictionary that ever existed in the history of Armenian civilization? By the way, the OED is not a completely closed source. Anyone is welcome to send in words that have not yet been taken up by the OED. But the OED does have the final say and only enters words depending on certain criteria, which I think is only fair. You can't use OED in your custom application without paying royalties. By having an open source Armenian dictionary and spell-checker, we ensure that ANY Armenian software may have access to these basic features to have Armenian language support in the software. If you close-source it, then you hinder growth of Armenian software. Anyways, enough pontificating.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Anyways, enough pontificating.... You mean talking out of your buttocks. Yes, I have made my points, I stand by them, and I won't repeat them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Էլիա Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 You mean talking out of your buttocks. Yes, I have made my points, I stand by them, and I won't repeat them. nairi, I just want to know because I didn't really see it in your previous posts, but what is your argument against nayiri.com? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 I have never argued against nayiri.com and I don't care to. I have been arguing for a professional and academic online dictionary that covers all Armenian dialects. All I have said is that nayiri fails to fulfill my wishes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Էլիա Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 I have never argued against nayiri.com and I don't care to. I have been arguing for a professional and academic online dictionary that covers all Armenian dialects. All I have said is that nayiri fails to fulfill my wishes. Oh, well that would be a worthwile project! But it would sure cost a lot of money and take quite a while. Do you have any plans on how to do this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Oh, well that would be a worthwile project! But it would sure cost a lot of money and take quite a while. Do you have any plans on how to do this? Why do I have to be the one to initiate this project? This project should have already started in a renowned linguistics faculty in Armenia! We have plenty of good paper dictionaries with lots of potential. The first phase would simply be to digitalize everything we have. The next phase is to start adding new words and information. This should be an ongoing, everlasting project, and it should start AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, no matter how expensive it is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Էլիա Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Why do I have to be the one to initiate this project? This project should have already started in a renowned linguistics faculty in Armenia! We have plenty of good paper dictionaries with lots of potential. The first phase would simply be to digitalize everything we have. The next phase is to start adding new words and information. This should be an ongoing, everlasting project, and it should start AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, no matter how expensive it is! Sorry, what I meant to ask was do you have any idea about who or what organization should be contacted, or maybe if there should be a petition or something... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Sorry, what I meant to ask was do you have any idea about who or what organization should be contacted, or maybe if there should be a petition or something... If I knew, I would have already let you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Open Source is a great model but I keep asking myself this (I am not sure of the answer) ... Which is better: lack of information or presence of possibly incorrect and/orinaccurate information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Open Source is a great model but I keep asking myself this (I am not sure of the answer) ... Which is better: lack of information or presence of possibly incorrect and/orinaccurate information. Lack of information, as long as it is justified. I'm thinking of when a word should be entered into a dictionary and when it shouldn't. I see no problems with this as long as the criteria are fair (such as frequency and length of time a word has been used). Yes, if I really want to know the meaning of a word in English, I turn to OED, not wiki. For Armenian, I turn to my Sovetakan Bararan, not to http://dictionary.hayastan.com/ (the latter was actually recommended to me when I complained about the lack of a professional online dictionary elsewhere!! -- yup, I've been complaining about the subject for several years now, including on this forum). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 In the mean time, since I don't have access to Sevetakan Bararan, or to you , I think I'm ok with dictionary.hayastan ... I think it's better than nothing. But I do understand what you are saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahan Araradian Posted July 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Which is better: lack of information or presence of possibly incorrect and/orinaccurate information. As long as it is PEER REVIEWED (and that is the assumption in an open source model) then you will get BEYOND "professional"/traditional/institutional type of work. All the best meanings, all the best examples will be combined from all the Armenian dictionaries out there to make one... And words will be added, definitions changed/added to, and even sound bites will be added... Check out the English Wiktionary... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 As long as it is PEER REVIEWED (and that is the assumption in an open source model) then you will get BEYOND "professional"/traditional/institutional type of work. Peer reviewed by who? By the same amateurs that have been editing other pages? Why do you think any sane professional lexicographer would want to give away their knowledge and experience for free, when they can get paid working for a renowned dictionary? Check out the English Wiktionary... And so I did. I looked up the "word of the day," that is, "eradicate," and compared that to the entry for "eradicate" in OED. My opinion remains unchanged: OED is reliable, Wiki is not. Since OED is only open to subscribers, you won't be able to look up "eradicate," but you can have a look at the "word of the day," which, appropriately, is "dirty." Compare: http://www.oed.com/cgi/display/wotd http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dirty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 This news item may be relevent to the subject at hand; COPYRIGHT PROTECTION TO PROMOTE DEVELOPMENT OF OPENSOURCE PROGRAMMING IN ARMENIA Noyan Tapan Jul 17 2007 YEREVAN, JULY 17, NOYAN TAPAN. Implementation of measures aimed at protection of copyright to licensed computer programs in Armenia will also promote development of opensource programming based on the open code. Hovhannes Avoyan, the Chairman of the Union of Armenian Information Technologies Enterprises, the Director General of the Sorsio company, said in his interview to Noyan Tapan correspondent. He explained that in difference to programming done inside one company or by order, when the initial code is kept secret, during the opensource programming, programs' codes are publicized, which gives the possibility to involve a great number of specialists in programs' elaboration, to test the created programs by them. In H. Avoyan's words, currently, under conditions of lack of copyright protection to programs products, programs products copied without authors' permission are sold at very cheap prices, because of which neither licensed nor opensource program products are sold. The latter, being not low-quality, is comparatively cheap. And in case of formation of systems of protection of the above mentioned rights in Armenia, consumers will have the possibility to choose between licensed and opensource programs. It was mentioned that rather big information technologies firms start using the opensource program products. In H. Avoyan's words, many companies in Armenia use the opensource programs for commercial purposes, creating additional programs on their basis. In particular, program products created on the basis of the opensource programs prevail in program products worked out for export. Many companies and even individual programmers create web sites, web systems, and other exported program products on the basis of the opensource programs. H. Avoyan said that currently 60-70% of the world's web sites use opensource programs, Linux, Apache, and other systems. However, there are few opensource programs in the personal computer's software, and mainly licensed programs are used there. According to the Chairman of the Union of Armenian Information Technologies Enterprises, in case of creation of equal conditions opensource will be used there, too. Peer reviewed by who? By the same amateurs that have been editing other pages? Why do you think any sane professional lexicographer would want to give away their knowledge and experience for free, when they can get paid working for a renowned dictionary? And as to "amateurs", I will come back. Let me warn you that it will not be pretty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 (edited) Peer reviewed by who? By the same amateurs that have been editing other pages? ==== Why do you think any sane professional lexicographer would want to give away their knowledge and experience for free, when they can get paid working for a renowned dictionary? “Amateurs”? Contributed by whom? Edited by whom? You mean by those who still insist that Istamulahayeren is the legitimate heir to Grapar (they still insist it is “krapar”) and that that “idiot” (for those of us who may be scandalized by the usage of this word, consider those of us who may still think he was, for designing three or four variants to our consonants))Mashtots composed the Ayp Pen Qim Ta? And as to “amateurs”, see item by Noyan Tapan above. Not "Noyan Daban" mind you. This is not the first time such a project has been proposed. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=80...p;hl=dictionary The above site was a companion of this; http://armenian.name/ Which was promptly removed due to many issues. MosJan may want to elaborate. Much of the relevant debate has been removed from sight for good reason. I was one of the very few offering my limited knowledge to comment and edit if necessary. What irritated me to no end was that those “amateur” contributors and editors, probably teenagers just learning English attributed 40% of the words to Persian, some to Russian and Latin, and the other 40% to Turkish. Where did thy learn Armenian? And when did they learn Turkish? Look below and see what they said about “papa/պապա”. Papa/baba is Turkish? More tan half te world languages have a variant of the word to men “father”, some use it to mean “mother”. It is a universal word derived from baby talk. Oddly enough, when babies first begin to “babble” , for some reason “babababa” prcedes “mamama”.. There must be a physiological,/physical reason. Is that why baby talk is described as “babble” rather than “mammle”? See what I wrote at tat time. Are we still talking about this subject? I had made a few suggestions about a domain name to which Garo rightfully and understandably expressed his trepidations (see above). Since then I ran a few searches on the internet and I was not much surprised that most every combination containing Armenia, Armenian, Hay, Hye have already been used, even such as Armeniana and Armeniaca are taken. Ajarian having finished his 4 volume Armatakan Bararan had realized that he had either omitted or sometimes erred in some of his entries, and for that reason he has added an addendum/appendix at the end pf Volume IV which he calls HAYKAKANQ/ARMENIACA. This title can also be easily interpreted as "trivia", some are, even if they are very educational and at times entertaining. In a previous post I indicated that in the following site much credit has been given to Turkish, sometimes naivley and at other times mistakenly. One such example is the name Babajan, in both the Armenian and the English it is analyzed as having been fomed of the Turkish "baba"=father and Persian "jan"=soul/spirit/hogi. The Persian part is correct as the "jan" ending makes it endearing/paghakshakan, however the "baba" part, even if correctly means father it is in no way from Turkish. Yes the Turks use it in that sense, they also use "peder" (Persian). Baba is a universal word, the Persians use it just as Armenians and Arabs, remember Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves. Arabic has to do with the reason it is spelled with the letter B as there is no P in the Arabic. In fact the word is from the Greek "pappa" and the Latin Papa, Pope etc. I said it is a universal word that can be found in one form or other in most any language because its origin is baby talk just as mama etc. Look here; http://www.www2.armenians.com/dictionaries...mp;p=1&w1=G Another entry that caught my attention is; ====== GAREGIN Was very popular in IV-V c. Then it was forgotten for a while to revive again. As this name is not found in other languages it is supposed to come from Old Arm. Its meaning is not established. We also have the short forms Garen, Garik, Garo as well as the surname Gareginyan (in some dialects Garagin). ========= It does say above that Ajarian does not treat it. True. Which brings us to his Haykakanq where the author says; " 'Hayots anunneri bararan'is mej ays anvan tsagum@ nshanakel em anhayt (In my Dictionary of Armenian names I had indicated that the origin of this name is obscure)". And he proceeds; Most old Armenian dynastic names are of Pahlavi origin, but I could not trace this in that direction. Upon further consideration he had changed his angle of observation and viewed the name(word) as ending in "gin" (arzheq/value) and comes to the conclusion that the word is purely and originally Armenian. Having concluded that the ending meant "valuable" Ajarian takes the task of explaining the first part of the name- "gar". He confesses that he had to discard its origin as from "gari" (barley), to make it short, he traces it in several other languages, all the way from Sanskrit to Greek, guru, gouru,, the Persian kran and finally the Greek "gravis" to mean "heavy/tank" (Remember that "gran" in Armenian means sledgehammer. arpa) Therefor, Garegin ends up being composed of gar=heavy and gin=value, put together it becomes Gar-e-gin= heavy/tank, and valuable, tsanragin, tsanrarzheq, tankarzheq, TANKAGIN. Not to forget! Coming back to a domain name. We could learn from Ajarian and use something like Haykakanq, this would be ideal as it encompasses everything Armenian, however the problem would be that most of us search the internet using "armenian" as the keyword, not to forget non-Armenian guests. "Armenakan" is taken as well. How about ARMENAKANQ where the pluralizing Q ending will make it unique. This post has been edited by Arpa: Jan 6 2004, 11:57 PM -------------------- Amateurs? Unpaid professionals? Look above again, and see what we get for expecting something, not willing to pay nothing. “Garegin- The origin unknown? “It‘s meaning not established“?. Please allow me to repeat. Where did these so called armenologist contributors/editors learn the Armenian Language? At UI Istanbul or UA/Ankara? Edited July 18, 2007 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahan Araradian Posted July 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 (edited) “Amateurs”? Contributed by whom? Edited by whom? You and Nairi have some serious issues... and I'm not a psychological therapist to answer your posts. I think it's some sort of superiority/inferiority complex, and Arpha I'm surprised that you still bring up phonology issues... GROW UP MAN!!! My and others' creating an open source Armenian dictionary does not rule out that you and Nairi (and others) can't produce your proprietary/closed-source/copyrighted dictionary! More power to you as I've said earlier! Live and Let Live! Open Source (and information freedom) is the track I've taken, and all the best to you if you feel closed-source/proprietary is the way to go! I hope you succeed, and you WILL succeed if you put in the time and effort. Time will tell as to which will produce the best results, and I think it's great to have two competing models: after all, under capitalism, it only take TWO competitors in an economic tournament to create a fabulous product. See ya! Edited July 18, 2007 by Shahan Araradian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vartahoor Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 (edited) You and Nairi have some serious issues... and I'm not a psychological therapist to answer your posts. I think it's some sort of superiority/inferiority complex, and Arpha I'm surprised that you still bring up phonology issues... GROW UP MAN!!! My and others' creating an open source Armenian dictionary does not rule out that you and Nairi (and others) can't produce your proprietary/closed-source/copyrighted dictionary! More power to you as I've said earlier! Live and Let Live! Open Source (and information freedom) is the track I've taken, and all the best to you if you feel closed-source/proprietary is the way to go! I hope you succeed, and you WILL succeed if you put in the time and effort. Time will tell as to which will produce the best results, and I think it's great to have two competing models: after all, under capitalism, it only take TWO competitors in an economic tournament to create a fabulous product. See ya! No offense,but where did you get your armnian education? I would appreciate a response. varhahoor Edited July 18, 2007 by vartahoor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 it will be super nice if we stay away from personal insults MOvses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 You and Nairi have some serious issues... and I'm not a psychological therapist to answer your posts. I think it's some sort of superiority/inferiority complex, and Arpha I'm surprised that you still bring up phonology issues... GROW UP MAN!!! My and others' creating an open source Armenian dictionary does not rule out that you and Nairi (and others) can't produce your proprietary/closed-source/copyrighted dictionary! More power to you as I've said earlier! Live and Let Live! Open Source (and information freedom) is the track I've taken, and all the best to you if you feel closed-source/proprietary is the way to go! I hope you succeed, and you WILL succeed if you put in the time and effort. Time will tell as to which will produce the best results, and I think it's great to have two competing models: after all, under capitalism, it only take TWO competitors in an economic tournament to create a fabulous product. See ya! You still don't seem to realize the vital and crucial importance of having an academically sponsored dictionary. This is not something I can start up. This is something that should be started off (or continued) in a renowned linguistics department in Armenia. It's not about competition. It's about having a reliable source of information written by some of our greatest lexicographers, etymologists, and linguists. Please stop undermining the work that these people are capable of doing. They are more than mere armchair enthusiasts with too much free time on their hands and an internet connection. As a true enthusiast, as you claim yourself to be, you should jump at the first opportunity to offer your knowledge, rather than giving the impression that such an endeavor is a waste of time and money and completely unnecessary in this new age of open-sources. Besides, you would get paid for your enthusiasm, that is, if you first show that you have the qualities to work in such a team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Էլիա Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 You still don't seem to realize the vital and crucial importance of having an academically sponsored dictionary. This is not something I can start up. This is something that should be started off (or continued) in a renowned linguistics department in Armenia. It's not about competition. It's about having a reliable source of information written by some of our greatest lexicographers, etymologists, and linguists. Please stop undermining the work that these people are capable of doing. They are more than mere armchair enthusiasts with too much free time on their hands and an internet connection. As a true enthusiast, as you claim yourself to be, you should jump at the first opportunity to offer your knowledge, rather than giving the impression that such an endeavor is a waste of time and money and completely unnecessary in this new age of open-sources. Besides, you would get paid for your enthusiasm, that is, if you first show that you have the qualities to work in such a team. Nayiri, do you know how to contact the linguistics deparment in Armenia? It seems like it would be very hard to find their phone number on the internet (or maybe not, it depends really). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Nayiri, do you know how to contact the linguistics deparment in Armenia? It seems like it would be very hard to find their phone number on the internet (or maybe not, it depends really). If I knew the ropes, I would have already let you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Էլիա Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 If I knew the ropes, I would have already let you know. I understand that, but I just think that if you have strong feelings about this huge goal, you should start some kind of group of people, which would organize contacting Armenia, looking for the people who would make the dictionary, etc. But only if you want to, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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