Genocide Deniers

[Saramelkonian]

This may be a counterproductive thread, in as far as perhaps the best thing to do with genocide deniers is to ignore them, to try to limit any air time they may get... but I thought I'd ask the question, what do you think is the best way of dealing with individual genocide deniers (as opposed to say the Turkish government?). I'm gathering research materials for my novel, and came across "The Treatment of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire 1915-1916: Documents Presented to Viscount Grey of Fallodon by Viscount Bryce" on the UK amazon site - and some nitwit had posted to say that the genocide was fabricated to make the Turks look bad!!! It makes me so mad, especially when I think of what my grandparents went through, I feel like my head wants to pop! In this particular case I posted a response which will probably get deleted by amazon as it has nothing to do with the book and is more or less a comment on that poster's ignorance... but what do you think is the right way of handling these things? My dad would have said to leave it alone.

[Sassun]

My advice to you is that you wouldn't waste your time with these genocidal good-for-nothings.

[Error 404]

Actually this is a good thread. Very good one. Lets post here the names of deniers. Also lets post here their works or concepts of their works or general description of their "works". Then everyone competent in the topic in here will try to revise or prove the lies of deniers.

 

The result we can post in a website and make available to the world. How about that?

[Saramelkonian]

Actually this is a good thread. Very good one. Lets post here the names of deniers. Also lets post here their works or concepts of their works or general description of their "works". Then everyone competent in the topic in here will try to revise or prove the lies of deniers.

 

The result we can post in a website and make available to the world. How about that?

 

Well, I think I did address this in my original post, about the risk of giving them air time, so I sort of feel like the sarcasm is a bit unwarranted.

 

All I'm asking is, how do each of us as individuals respond when you come across other individuals who want to deny the genocide? My Dad would say to ignore such things, but I felt like, leaving that comment up their unchallenged increased the risk of someone believing it.

[Dave]

We have to counter them of course. Find. Counter. Destroy.

But sometimes it feels like it's useless to talk to these blind nationalists; they're gonna continue to beleive in the thing they've always beleived - that the "dirty" Armenians massacred the "peaceful and tolerant" Turks - not the other way around.

 

I've always met them online though.

[AK-47]

Well, I think I did address this in my original post, about the risk of giving them air time, so I sort of feel like the sarcasm is a bit unwarranted.

 

All I'm asking is, how do each of us as individuals respond when you come across other individuals who want to deny the genocide? My Dad would say to ignore such things, but I felt like, leaving that comment up their unchallenged increased the risk of someone believing it.

I give them facts. The way they deny is a pattern of the same arguments over and over again. Some of the common arguments they give are:

 

- There weren't 1.5 million Armenians in the Ottoman Empire (or Anatolia, if they are smarter)

- We were entirely on the side of the Orthodox Christian Russians and betrayed the Empire

- We revolted first (they commonly use the Dashnaks and Hnchaks).

- It was a simple deportation.

- We wanted independence.

- We committed a genocide against them and not the other way around.

- They give you forged quotes from a site called "tallarmeniantale.com".

- They claim bias to all those witnesses to the Armenian genocide.

- They have always had their archives open while we haven't.

 

These are most of the arguments they use, which are all lies or half-truths.

[Sassun]

It was a simple deportation.

Little do they know that deportation itself "simply" falls under genocide.

[Saramelkonian]

- They have always had their archives open while we haven't.

 

This one I haven't heard before. And I thought just the opposite was true ?

 

[Zartonk]

This one I haven't heard before. And I thought just the opposite was true ?

 

Cleaned up archives of a paranoid republic. Right.

[Hellektor]

The Armenian Genocide deniers obviously deny this crime therefore I always wanted to gather a list of garbage that pretend they are neutral but in fact they are the most vicious Armenian hating bunch there is. I would do this on my blog if I had time for it. I have already chosen a title for this:

 

The Gallery of Turkish Coke Soaking Faggots and Whores

 

Samples?

 

Daniel Fried

Matthew Bryza

Peter Semneby

Ariel Cohen (and his J*wish Heritage Foundation)

Brenda Shaffer (one despicable Mossad whore the world has never known)

Sabina Frazer (and her entire "International" Cryjew Group)

Svante E. Cornell (one vicious TCS faggot there has ever been)

Thomas Goltz (the wily J*w who invented the insignificant Khojaly incident scam)

Michael Radu

Michael Petzet (president of Icomos who after the Jugha destruction said: "Now that all traces of this highly important historic site seem to have been extinguished all we can do is mourn the loss and protest against this totally senseless destruction")

René Van Der Linden

Goran Lenmarker

Marc Perron de Brichambaut

Tony Blair (and the whole Turk sucking United Queerdom policy)

Mongoleeza Rice

etc., etc., etc.

 

It would be great to do a special thread with pics of and quotes from this lowlife dross to expose them. I would do this if I had the time, I still haven't finished my "Azeri" exposing thing and I'm working on it from time to time.

 

[Hellektor]

- There weren't 1.5 million Armenians in the Ottoman Empire (or Anatolia, if they are smarter)

You mean if they think they are smarter, believing the Turkish bullshit that Armenia has anything to do with phukking Cacatolia?

 

To complete your list, I copy/paste the points I have collected for an AG FAQ. Once again, another of my incomplete projects! I had intended to add a response to each, citing an example. Maybe I'll finish this when I'm retired and I have nothing else to do. Sure the Turds will still be denying the Armenian Genocide in the foreseeable future...

 

The Usual Crap that Spurts Out of Turkish Muzzles Denying the Armenian Genocide

 

I. It was war… People died…

 

II. Ottomans only wanted to relocate the rebels.

 

III. Turks died as well.

 

IV. What reason on earth did the Turks have to exterminate the Armenians?

 

V. Armenians revolted against their “masters”, they got what they deserved.

 

VI. If the Turks wanted to kill the Armenians why didn’t they kill them where they lived and despite the fact that they were engaged in war they took the expensive decision to relocate the Armenians?

 

VII. It was the Armenian “terrorists” who killed up to 2.5 million Turks.

 

VIII. Yes, there were cases of violent attacks but it was not planned.

 

IX. Armenians and Turks lived peacefully like “brothers” in the Ottoman “empire” until one day Armenians rebelled and betrayed their “masters”.

 

X. The Armenians were highly respected in the Ottoman “empire”. They had high offices and many had the status of *****. Who says they were maltreated?

 

XI. Let’s play the numbers game: Armenians highly exaggerate the number of dead.

 

XII. There is no comparison between what happened to the Jews and what happened to the Armenians.

 

XIII. Present day Armenia should forget the past and establish ties with its neighbors.

 

XIV. Leave the subject to historians.

 

XV. Let us organize a meeting between historians of the two sides and see who’s right.

 

XVI. Turkey has opened its archives. Why doesn’t Armenia do the same?

 

XVII. If it was genocide then how come the Armenians in Constantinople were not massacred?

 

XVIII. You have slandered the Turks and have tarnished our honor for a long time, now it’s our turn to attack and expose your “lies”.

 

XIX. Armenians are not the indigenous people of “Eastern Anatolia”.

 

XX. It was the Ottomans who committed these crimes. Why should the present Turkish state be held responsible?

 

XXI. The countries that have recognized the Armenian Genocide have an agenda.

 

XXII. No evidence has been found to confirm that it was really genocide.

 

XXIII. The “Malta Tribunals” were dismissed because of the absence of evidence. This “proves” there was no genocide.

 

Edited June 25, 2007 by Hellektor

[Hellektor]

Boy o boy! How could I forget that ugly rotten English bastard Terry Davis in my list of TCS faggots?

 

http://www.armeniangenocide.com/photos/data/500/terry_davis.jpg

 

From ANN/Groong:

 

In an interview with a correspondent of Armenian A1+ the Council of

Europe Secretary General Terry Devis for the next sated his position

on the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan.

 

"Nagorno-Karabakh is not part of Armenia. I support the territorial

integrity of all the member countries Caspian Cooperation, Armenia,

as well as Azerbaijan. Georgia may be of Armenian origin but that

does not mean to recognize it as part of Armenia," he stated.

 

"I mean the fact is that legally Nagorno-Karabakh is seen as an

occupied territory. Legally it is part of Azerbaijan.

Nagorno-Karabakh conflicts should be settled urgently through the

talks..."

 

 

*******

 

Ask the piece of putrid, rotten puss: when was Artsakh part of an independent "Azerbaijan"?

 

It was illegally given to the fake state, along with Nakhijevan, when Tatarbaijan was hardly three years old, by that J*w-Tatar monster Lenin and the psychopathic mass-murdering Armenian hater Joseph Jewison in 1921 in an orgy with that suspected Doenme J*w Kemal. The Soviet "empire" was not recognized until 1924 and Kemal was a bandit condemned to death by the Ottomans. It was only after 1923 Lausanne treaty that some countries (not the US) recognized Kemal's Turkey.

 

When the (o so "hated" by the Zionist West) "Union" of Soviet Sionist "Republics" was reduced to rubble, Artsakh was already an independent state according to Soviet law.

 

So how on earth, Misses Terry Davis, can Artsakh LEGALLY be a part of the fraudulently counterfeited bogus state of fictitious "Azerbaijan", according to your own Judeo-Saxon laws?

 

 

Terry Davis, go screw yourself with the Turkish schlong of your boyfriend!

Edited June 25, 2007 by Hellektor

[Takoush]

This may be a counterproductive thread, in as far as perhaps the best thing to do with genocide deniers is to ignore them, to try to limit any air time they may get... but I thought I'd ask the question, what do you think is the best way of dealing with individual genocide deniers (as opposed to say the Turkish government?). I'm gathering research materials for my novel, and came across "The Treatment of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire 1915-1916: Documents Presented to Viscount Grey of Fallodon by Viscount Bryce" on the UK amazon site - and some nitwit had posted to say that the genocide was fabricated to make the Turks look bad!!! It makes me so mad, especially when I think of what my grandparents went through, I feel like my head wants to pop! In this particular case I posted a response which will probably get deleted by amazon as it has nothing to do with the book and is more or less a comment on that poster's ignorance... but what do you think is the right way of handling these things? My dad would have said to leave it alone.

Dear Ms. Melkonian: I truly feel what you feel inside as my grandparents on my father's side were annihilated too. Let alone on my mother's side, my great grandparents, etc. etc. etc. However on individual terms, it would get me very angry; but I would either walk away or say something like your warped regime made you all warped, and walk away. Don't make your wonderful blood boil over sickly brought up bunch of idiots. They are the outcome of sick upbringing, it ain't worth it. Just gather your effective research materials and write your great novel of your life!!!!! I am so proud of you. Just concentrate on your project. If you need any more personal stories from what my own family went through just PM me and I'll let you know. Stay well and stay healthy my friend!!!!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

[Saramelkonian]

Dear Ms. Melkonian: I truly feel what you feel inside as my grandparents on my father's side were annihilated too. Let alone on my mother's side, my great grandparents, etc. etc. etc. However on individual terms, it would get me very angry; but I would either walk away or say something like your warped regime made you all warped, and walk away. Don't make your wonderful blood boil over sickly brought up bunch of idiots. They are the outcome of sick upbringing, it ain't worth it. Just gather your effective research materials and write your great novel of your life!!!!! I am so proud of you. Just concentrate on your project. If you need any more personal stories from what my own family went through just PM me and I'll let you know. Stay well and stay healthy my friend!!!!!!!

 

thank you so much Anahid. I've just PM'd you to say, yes, yes, yes, please tell me your family's story! (and anyone else, if you have information that you would like to have represented in the novel, please let me know)

 

[Takoush]

thank you so much Anahid. I've just PM'd you to say, yes, yes, yes, please tell me your family's story! (and anyone else, if you have information that you would like to have represented in the novel, please let me know)

You are welcomed Saramelkonian; I will PM you back.

 

Just for the record, although my poor father was left an orphan as a mere child from the 1915 Genocide; but he was mature enough, intelligent and unsellfish towards himself; but had a great love towards his Armenian nation as he used to say, "that although I feel very bad for myself, for my parents and for my kin; but I feel extremely worse off towards my people, of whom more than 1,500 million my fellow Armenians that were annihilated in cold blood by the atrocious turks, and now we have lost everything as a nation and as people".

 

Although practically my whole family were annihilated; but like my father, I also feel much worse off that practically my whole race were wiped out off the map and with it our lands, that whole part of our country.

 

But thank God we endured and now we have our Armenia and Artsax. And we will have the rest of our lands back Sara jan. We will!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 26, 2007 by Anahid Takouhi

[gamavor]

My wild guess is that after Turkey's disintegration, next is Great Butan. Scotts already sent in their parliament a party that wants to secede. I wonder what this gang homo Terry Davis would say then.

[DeLaLa]

and with it our lands, that whole part of our country.

 

anahid ? are you talking about the 1915 armenian genocide ?

[DominO123]

http://assembly.coe.int/documents/workingd...01/edoc9066.htm

 

That he signed this trash, alone, discredit this guy for eternity. No one need to expose him, he exposed himself by signing a paper which is more extrem than the officials in Baku. Davis needs to have this resolution tatooed on his forehead with his name clearly defined.

 

For those who ignore about this document, it was written and prepared by a Turkish representative as a countermeasure to a draft prepared on the day of commemoration of the Armenian Genocide.

 

 

Boy o boy! How could I forget that ugly rotten English bastard Terry Davis in my list of TCS faggots?

 

http://www.armeniangenocide.com/photos/data/500/terry_davis.jpg

 

From ANN/Groong:

 

In an interview with a correspondent of Armenian A1+ the Council of

Europe Secretary General Terry Devis for the next sated his position

on the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan.

 

"Nagorno-Karabakh is not part of Armenia. I support the territorial

integrity of all the member countries Caspian Cooperation, Armenia,

as well as Azerbaijan. Georgia may be of Armenian origin but that

does not mean to recognize it as part of Armenia," he stated.

 

"I mean the fact is that legally Nagorno-Karabakh is seen as an

occupied territory. Legally it is part of Azerbaijan.

Nagorno-Karabakh conflicts should be settled urgently through the

talks..."

*******

 

Ask the piece of putrid, rotten puss: when was Artsakh part of an independent "Azerbaijan"?

 

It was illegally given to the fake state, along with Nakhijevan, when Tatarbaijan was hardly three years old, by that J*w-Tatar monster Lenin and the psychopathic mass-murdering Armenian hater Joseph Jewison in 1921 in an orgy with that suspected Doenme J*w Kemal. The Soviet "empire" was not recognized until 1924 and Kemal was a bandit condemned to death by the Ottomans. It was only after 1923 Lausanne treaty that some countries (not the US) recognized Kemal's Turkey.

 

When the (o so "hated" by the Zionist West) "Union" of Soviet Sionist "Republics" was reduced to rubble, Artsakh was already an independent state according to Soviet law.

 

So how on earth, Misses Terry Davis, can Artsakh LEGALLY be a part of the fraudulently counterfeited bogus state of fictitious "Azerbaijan", according to your own Judeo-Saxon laws?

Terry Davis, go screw yourself with the Turkish schlong of your boyfriend!

Edited July 21, 2007 by Domino