The Situation In Lebanon

[Armenak]

Whats the problem with Saudia Arabia? My family lived and worked and made a good living there for ten years. Hell, my brother and sister were born there. They have good laws, fair laws, and if you respect the laws as a visitor you make a good living, if not, get your ass out. My mom even had to cover up head to toe in one city where my sister was born. Other cities not so much covering. The only reason my parents moved here was that the school system was a bit pricy and my dads work was ending. That little add on is for those who say why did you leave if it was so good there.

Haha. My mom was supposed to go to a convention in Riyadh with the company she works for. The Saudis told her that although she could stay in the hotel, she could not go to the convention center. Men only.

[Sassun]

Whats the problem with Saudia Arabia?

Nothing. Except that you'll have to drive on separate roads, are not allowed to go to certain places as a non-Muslim, if you get into a car accident and the other (Muslim) driver is killed, you will be put on death row, will be arrested and jailed if you are caught with a copy of the Bible, and of course cannot have a Church in the country... Not to mention, it has the highest export rate of sex tourism (i.e. prostitute-seeking men coming to Lebanon to satisfy their urges). Oh, wait, nothing's wrong with Saudi Arabia -- it does not belong to the axis of evil, which is headed by the anti-Christian and anti-Jewish Iran (where there are both Churches and Synagogues)!

 

When we (me & my Armenian friends) used to go to the beach in Tabarja, both boys and girls together, Saudi "tourists" used to flock to the beach resorts wearing the galabiye, along with their wives clad in black from head to toe, including their face (only eyes visible). The men used to sit around and watch the bikini-wearing women. The girls with us used to feel really uncomfortable around this sight... but there was no way to avoid them since they were pretty much everywhere.

Edited June 16, 2007 by Sassun

[Sassun]

LOL the Arab league is more useless and powerless than the UN when it comes to politics. They are a joke. Gaddafi is smart to ridicule them and boycott them year after year. Most of them don't give a damn about the Palestinians and have already sold them out to their Zionist masters. Although, some of them are more open of the sellout (Egypt, Jordan) than others (Saudi, Kuweit).

I disagree on the last sentence. I tend to place no distinction between the 4 countries you mentioned. Yes, Egypt & Jordan have peace treaties with Israel, but Saudi Arabia's slavery/puppetry is much more disgusting and consequential and arguably much more explicit than that of Egypt. In other words, I would not mind if 10 Egypts signed peace treaties with Israel as long as Saudi Arabia maintained a rejectionist position towards Israel in the same way as Iran does.

 

The summit is funny, though, for a great many reasons. It reminds me of the joke about the Soviets («ընկերը կը շատախօսէ»)... in other words, all b.s. fancy talk, scratch the surface, and you will find nothing underneath it, and all that was said can be summarized in 2-3 word. Also, it is ironic that these people are actually holding a summit. First, on what basis do they claim to be representing their people at the summit? They are not even elected. They are self-styled leaders of their people. It is rather disgusting, that 300 million Arabs show no interest in toppling these idiots of leaders that have kept them poor, uneducated, and essentially slaves. But then, they say that it is a myth that revolutions are made on empty stomachs... Though to what extent that is true, is debatable.

Edited June 16, 2007 by Sassun

[annannimusss]

Its not my Country, you live there as a guets to work and if you don't like the laws leave. No Church, its the Holy LAnd for them and if I don't like it again I have the option to leave. Not all Saudis cover head to toe, when they come to Lebanon they come for a main reason, and this reason is the weather.Hmmm,just like my family from Sudan who used to do the same thing,or like my family from Egypt. You are trying to Lable them as Sex Hungry animals, who cover there women head to toe, and the ones that come to Lebanon are not all covered head to toe, they wear only the normal Shall that they also wear in Iran.

[annannimusss]

Dajeeg,you should come check out this forum, I think you will take a liking to it.

 

http://z4.invisionfree.com/Armenian_Diaspo...dex.php?act=idx

[Sassun]

Its not my Country, you live there as a guets to work and if you don't like the laws leave. No Church, its the Holy LAnd for them and if I don't like it again I have the option to leave. Not all Saudis cover head to toe, when they come to Lebanon they come for a main reason, and this reason is the weather.Hmmm,just like my family from Sudan who used to do the same thing,or like my family from Egypt. You are trying to Lable them as Sex Hungry animals, who cover there women head to toe, and the ones that come to Lebanon are not all covered head to toe, they wear only the normal Shall that they also wear in Iran.

The weather? Hm, on second thought, I agree! After all, you would not see women in bikinis in the middle of winter.

 

Yup, none of our business, really, it is not your country, but what is your country? Is America your country? Or is Armenia your country? Or Lebanon? How many countries do you have?

 

Sure, it is not your country. That doesn't make it "good", though. And no, it doesn't give them any right to abuse human rights and cut off people's hands. But then again, the fact that you live in a country with the highest rate of executions in the world, I am sure your views towards Saudi Arabia would be based on the motto birds of a feather flock together.

[annannimusss]

I think if you steal they should cut your hand off, if you kill someone you deserve the same punishment. Thats Islamic Law for you, Hmmm doesn't Iran do the same thing, Yes they do. Edited June 16, 2007 by SakoPasha

[Sassun]

I think if you steal they should cut your hand off, if you kill someone you deserve the same punishment. Thats Islamic Law for you, Hmmm doesn't Iran do the same thing, Yes they do.

Ramgavar, no they do not. Get your facts straight. In Iran, someone who steals is imprisoned, unless his circumstances satisfy 14 conditions, which must ALL be satisfied if the hand is to be cut off. In 99.99% of the cases, it is not. And no, that is not Islamic Law. That is Wahabi-Salafi law that is being applied in Saudi Arabia. In other words, the law of your beloved Bin Laden. As I said, birds of a feather flock together. In more than one sense, Bin Laden & the U.S administration (and a good chunk of the people) see eye to eye.

Edited June 16, 2007 by Sassun

[AK-47]

I once happened to be driving through Sunset on Gay night. Unfortunately I was in an open jeep with no doors, windows, or roof .. before I knew it, I was sitting there, dead stop in the middle of traffic, surrounded by a sea of gays with frilly fuzzy boa snakes, all types of feathers, strange hats, etc ... If my friend's cute cousin (girl) hadn't been riding shotgun with me, I would have been in a world of trouble.

 

At times like that, I think a bit of Islam can't be that bad for these people.

LMAO funny story, this reminds of the Gay Village we have here. I get the chills (the way Lisa and Bart have when they visit their aunts, Patty and Selma) everytime we need to drive by that place.

 

There was a news report a few days ago about how a woman walked into a gay bar for a drink. They refused to give it to her and threw her out because she was female. Now she is suing their asses LOL. Before covering the story, the reporter was like "Can minorities discriminate? Well...oddly enough, it seems so!"

[AK-47]

I disagree on the last sentence. I tend to place no distinction between the 4 countries you mentioned. Yes, Egypt & Jordan have peace treaties with Israel, but Saudi Arabia's slavery/puppetry is much more disgusting and consequential and arguably much more explicit than that of Egypt. In other words, I would not mind if 10 Egypts signed peace treaties with Israel as long as Saudi Arabia maintained a rejectionist position towards Israel in the same way as Iran does.

 

The summit is funny, though, for a great many reasons. It reminds me of the joke about the Soviets («ընկերը կը շատախօսէ»)... in other words, all b.s. fancy talk, scratch the surface, and you will find nothing underneath it, and all that was said can be summarized in 2-3 word. Also, it is ironic that these people are actually holding a summit. First, on what basis do they claim to be representing their people at the summit? They are not even elected. They are self-styled leaders of their people. It is rather disgusting, that 300 million Arabs show no interest in toppling these idiots of leaders that have kept them poor, uneducated, and essentially slaves. But then, they say that it is a myth that revolutions are made on empty stomachs... Though to what extent that is true, is debatable.

Yeah you are correct, they are all equally horrible. And the people are hopelessly defeated it seems, but they are also tightly controlled... like in Egypt where the powerful Muslim Brotherhood is oppressed year after year and president-for-life Hosni Mubarak is set to chose his son as successor to him. Jordan is pretty hopeless as well, I don't even know why they call themselves Arabs...they look British to me. And I think we've commented on the Gulf States far enough. Chem kider vormeg Eid ul-Adha-n gessbassen gor Arap joghovourtuh vor heghapokhoutioun enen... It seems it takes Persians to conduct a revolution.

[AK-47]

In regards to the Saudi criminal laws, we gotta admit that it is very effective. The crime rate is very, very low.

[Sassun]

The crime rate is very, very low.

I donno man... Saudi Arabia DOES have the highest rate of export of terrorists...

If you call that effective, well, whatever floats people's boats then.

[Sassun]

On the other hand, one could argue that Fateh's coup d'etat against the democratically elected Hamas government was successful, and their terrorist methods have been their route to success.

 

I only hope that Hamas will not lose the momentum and would carry the fight also to West Bank (it's a myth that West Bank is Fateh stronghold, Hamas has broken into traditional Fateh strongholds, INCLUDING Nablus!!!) and wipe out these traitors once and for all. The quisling government has been formed, and a new PM slave to U.S and Israel has been named, under the cover of "he's independent". Just look at his career and you will see how independent he is. I hear the Israeli "right-wingers" have lots of praise for him. His name is Salam Fayyad. Abbas issued an illegal decree allowing the formation of new government without parliament approval. The parliament is elected by the people. Draw your own conclusions about the "legitimate representative of the Palestinian people", as the U.S calls Abbas, and moreover, this "partner for peace" as the Israelis call him. Partner for peace -- in Israel.

[AK-47]

On the other hand, one could argue that Fateh's coup d'etat against the democratically elected Hamas government was successful, and their terrorist methods have been their route to success.

 

I only hope that Hamas will not lose the momentum and would carry the fight also to West Bank (it's a myth that West Bank is Fateh stronghold, Hamas has broken into traditional Fateh strongholds, INCLUDING Nablus!!!) and wipe out these traitors once and for all. The quisling government has been formed, and a new PM slave to U.S and Israel has been named, under the cover of "he's independent". Just look at his career and you will see how independent he is. I hear the Israeli "right-wingers" have lots of praise for him. His name is Salam Fayyad. Abbas issued an illegal decree allowing the formation of new government without parliament approval. The parliament is elected by the people. Draw your own conclusions about the "legitimate representative of the Palestinian people", as the U.S calls Abbas, and moreover, this "partner for peace" as the Israelis call him. Partner for peace -- in Israel.

Those old timers in Fatah are so corrupt...even Yasser Arafat was losing it and curiously gave too much up to Israel. All the momentum they had was lost with his assassination. He'd be rolling in his grave if he saw what his people are doing to each other. The reason Abbas did what he did is because he is the lapdog to foreign elements and they barked the order to him to do so and that infidel did it. Abu Mazen did shit when those Palestinian kids were killed at a Gaza beach. He condemned it...oh my!!! How many Palestinians have to die before this guy wakes up and smells the coffee? This coup d'etat is illegal and normally should've been condemned by everyone in the world. But of course, who cares about the Palestinians? Let's starve the people and encourage coup d'etats because they followed democracy.

[Sassun]

Actually, he wouldn't be rolling in his grave at all, given that he has far more Palestinian blood on his hands than there is on the hands of those who are engaged in fighting now. We all remember what he did in Tal el Za'atar camp, which he called "Stalingrad of the Palestinians."

 

He condemned it...

That's all that these Arab "leaders" are fit to do. "nudinu bi shidda" blah blah ("we strongly condemn")...

 

More and more of Fateh's crimes are coming to light now that their bases and centers are being taken over by Hamas. Just a while ago 7 bodies of Hamas members were found in the BASEMENT of the Fateh "preventive force" base... is it any wonder that Hamas took this step? Again, we never knew the extent of what was going on prior to this takeover, because the media did not report on the missing Hamas men... now it is all coming to light.

 

Btw not many know this but Hamas actually keeps a very nice website

It's for its military wing, the Izz el Deen al Qassam Brigades, the english version isn't that great so here's th arabic one : http://www.alqassam.ps/arabic/

 

There are some indicators that Hamas is on a very very good and impressive track. They are now in the process of rounding up all 'stray' weapons from rogue elements, including the largest clan in Gaza...

 

One of the announcements they made , is that they have their hands on documents proving that there was coordination betw. the Preventive forces and Israel, and they say they will publish these proofs in the coming days...

Edited June 16, 2007 by Sassun

[annannimusss]

I was not talking specifically about hand cutting. I was talking about cases like when they hang a guy on a pole and hang him and beat him even after he is dead. This guy was a molester or something like that, I think that people like that should be punished like that. I am not sure so I will ask you this, don't they still stone people there? Or how about people who cheat on there wives and vice-versa?

 

Did you check out that site?

[Sassun]

I was not talking specifically about hand cutting. I was talking about cases like when they hang a guy on a pole and hang him and beat him even after he is dead. This guy was a molester or something like that, I think that people like that should be punished like that. I am not sure so I will ask you this, don't they still stone people there? Or how about people who cheat on there wives and vice-versa?

Only serial or repeat offenders are executed.

 

Stoning is rare in Iran. It has been replaced with imprisonment or other forms of punishment.

 

As for adultery, read the penal code of Iran to get all the details.

 

Did you check out that site?

Which site? The forum? Yes, I checked it. Sorry, not interested.

[Sassun]

LOL, there is something seriously wrong with this sentence:

 

Fatah gunmen kill Palestinian suspected of collaborating with Israel

Edited June 17, 2007 by Sassun

[Sassun]

Amazing!! Abbas has officially listed Hamas as an illegal movement !!! Has Abbas joined the war on terror, I wonder?

 

I wonder if the American government in Lebanon will do the same against HezbAllah? It is increasingly sounding like they are to adopt the same tactics against HezbAllah, as the controversy about the internal security forces affair in Dahieh is demonstrating (the one I referred to, when HezbAllah gunmen arrested 3 officers who had entered their area without prior coordination).

 

As Oleg Ozerov* would say, it will be another hot summer in the Middle East.

 

(* Deputy Director of the Dept. of the Middle East and N. Africa at the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs)

 

I swear, they are so stupid... In the 60s and 70s they tried to destroy and co-opt the PLO/Fateh and as a result they got Hamas. They are now trying to destroy Hamas. They will get worse than Hamas in the future. Just wait and see. These idiots do not know that RESISTANCE and the quest for SELF-DETERMINATION for the rightful owners of the land will not be destroyed. NO MATTER WHAT. The Israelis are working on the Turkish-Azeri model. Is it any wonder, after all, birds of a feather flock together.

Edited June 17, 2007 by Sassun

[Sassun]

Breaking news : 3 Katyusha rockets fired from LEBANON hit the industrial zone at Kiryat Shemona (direct hit & damage) , northern Israel.

 

hahahaha....

 

TAKE THAT, idiots. Victory you say? Let us see you go to war THIS TIME AROUND.

 

Note: Israel hurried to say, the rockets were fired by Palestinians and not HezbAllah. I wonder how they knew that, as they were not even sure that Katyushas had landed in Kiryat Shemona until residents alerted police. So , victory you say? I say, they are trying to find excuses not to retaliate, because they know what will happen if they do. And we all know that Palestinians cannot fire one bullet towards Israel from South Lebanon.

 

The rules of the game have just changed, folks. Stay tuned.

Edited June 17, 2007 by Sassun

[AK-47]

I wonder if the American government in Lebanon will do the same against HezbAllah? It is increasingly sounding like they are to adopt the same tactics against HezbAllah, as the controversy about the internal security forces affair in Dahieh is demonstrating (the one I referred to, when HezbAllah gunmen arrested 3 officers who had entered their area without prior coordination).

That woud be a serious mistake but I wouldn't be surprised if it happens. Summer 2008 most probably will be the date for this. The puppet government is trying its best to start another civil war. Anyway Hizb Allah would own all other sides of a future civil war (hopefully, it never happens). And if it happens, myayn mer hayeroun togh chi tbnan.

 

As Oleg Ozerov* would say, it will be another hot summer in the Middle East.

 

(* Deputy Director of the Dept. of the Middle East and N. Africa at the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs)

 

I swear, they are so stupid... In the 60s and 70s they tried to destroy and co-opt the PLO/Fateh and as a result they got Hamas. They are now trying to destroy Hamas. They will get worse than Hamas in the future. Just wait and see. These idiots do not know that RESISTANCE and the quest for SELF-DETERMINATION for the rightful owners of the land will not be destroyed. NO MATTER WHAT. The Israelis are working on the Turkish-Azeri model. Is it any wonder, after all, birds of a feather flock together.

I think Hamas' goal of making the current state called Israel into Palestine only can be dropped by Hamas if the Israelis offer a deal on East Jerusalem, West Bank (without settlers) and Gaza as a Palestinian state + the return of all Palestnian refugees + peace, which would include destroying the apartheid wall.

 

[Sassun]

That woud be a serious mistake but I wouldn't be surprised if it happens. Summer 2008 most probably will be the date for this. The puppet government is trying its best to start another civil war. Anyway Hizb Allah would own all other sides of a future civil war (hopefully, it never happens). And if it happens, myayn mer hayeroun togh chi tbnan.

Oh yeah, a war is definitely coming, and I think it will first be in the form of civil war and then Israeli invasion, a la 1982. But I think the Israelis do not want war this year, as they are not yet ready. On the good side, by then, I will be ready to fight them (Israelis I mean). Hayeroon meg@ chi hamartsagir tbnal. They know better than to mess around with us.

 

I think Hamas' goal of making the current state called Israel into Palestine only can be dropped by Hamas if the Israelis offer a deal on East Jerusalem, West Bank (without settlers) and Gaza as a Palestinian state + the return of all Palestnian refugees + peace, which would include destroying the apartheid wall.

Well I think Hamas will be willing to scratch the right of return (or rather, put in a difficult position which necessitates that they give up on the right of return) , as they know that this is not feasible unless forced militarily (for now they won't, since they promise the Palestinian people to be an alternative to Fateh )... Israel will not accept this solution. But keep in mind that the more Israel delays a deal, the stronger the chances are for a one-state (binational) solution, which would in effect solve the problem of the right of return (though it might be in the context of a (con)federation for example).

 

[AK-47]

Well I think Hamas will be willing to scratch the right of return (or rather, put in a difficult position which necessitates that they give up on the right of return) , as they know that this is not feasible unless forced militarily (for now they won't, since they promise the Palestinian people to be an alternative to Fateh )... Israel will not accept this solution. But keep in mind that the more Israel delays a deal, the stronger the chances are for a one-state (binational) solution, which would in effect solve the problem of the right of return (though it might be in the context of a (con)federation for example).

I also forgot to mention the release of all Palestinian prisoners. I think that the return of the refugees should be traded for something else rather than just given up, like some kind of compensation. A one-state (or Isratine) solution wouldn't be good, there will be deep divisions. A two state solution is the best plan with Jerusalem being divided into two.

[Dave]

A one state solution wouldn't be good because Muslim birth-rate is high, even compared to the Jews. Eventually Palestinians would surpass Jewish population unless Jews bring in more immigrants. The Holy Land would then lose its balance and something like Lebanon would happen... And then we're back to where we started.

 

I think they've also proposed such a solution in Cyprus but most Greeks voted no.

 

[Sip]

As for me... I'm smart enough not to have any debts; on the contrary, only assets that pay dividends I'll let someone else get that $45K loan on a new Beamer.

 

Yet another very idiotic comment that shows you don't have much clue about "American life" other than what you are exposed to in the media you watch and from your dad. Many young people, especially smart and capabale Armenian youth in America, simply don't have the luxury of having their daddy pay for their college. They have no choice but to go in large amounts of debt to pursue their educations and make sure they are not stuck in dead-end lives till they die.

 

I have a very good friend who would study at UCLA during the day and park cars at night at Universal Studio for years. He had no one here in the US. Not only did he manage to do excellent in school, he also would regularly send money back to Armenia to support his parents. Once he got into graduate school, the 1 or 2 jobs he had one the side simply were not enough to pay for it all ... He has since gone on to get a PharmD degree and has landed a very good job (is married and has bought a house etc) ... he will have debt and huge loans for many many years to come, but I really don't think you are much "smarter" than him for not having any debts. It's great you don't, but don't be so quick to put down other people that might have debt (sometimes huge amounts) in their lives.

Edited June 17, 2007 by Sip