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Turks, on the other hand, are unabashed liars, schemers, robbers, brutal killers and bullies. The faults of some Armeninas do not match the massive negative traits of the predominant Turkish psyche. For every compassionate Turk there are nine who are pure vicious animals.

 

Armenians are experts in numerous subjects, the most notable ones tend to specialise in the highly-specialised fields relating to being idiots, bastards, cunts, backstabbers, and loud-mouths.

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Armenians are experts in numerous subjects, the most notable ones tend to specialise in the highly-specialised fields relating to being idiots, bastards, cunts, backstabbers, and loud-mouths.

 

Steve, if that is so why do you bother coming back to this forum after being uncerimoniously kicked out?Is it what is called British disease?the desire for a good spanking?

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Armenians are experts in numerous subjects, the most notable ones tend to specialise in the highly-specialised fields relating to being idiots, bastards, cunts, backstabbers, and loud-mouths.

 

Not to be a loud-mouth, but you need to check it a bit, "neko".

 

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No Zartonk, you are a VERY thoughtful person who speaks softly and "carries a big stick."

 

You are not a loud-mouth at all.

 

Unfortunately, the Turk Neko's characterization fits some other Hye Forum members to a "T."

 

 

Not to be a loud-mouth, but you need to check it a bit, "neko".

 

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Armenians are experts in numerous subjects, the most notable ones tend to specialise in the highly-specialised fields relating to being idiots, bastards, cunts, backstabbers, and loud-mouths.

the true Steve finally comes out... I see you are the same jackass as you were before.

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Who needs the hospitable? Why partake of the cheese boormas, paklavas, buttery pilaf, shakarashhee, chee kufas and other rich foods that put my Dad in a nearly grave? He was a mess with advanced heart disease, gout, age-onset diabetes, etc. etc. thanks to the gracious hospitality of the women in our Armenian family.

 

You forgot hospitable. The hospitability has some limits though.

 

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Armenians are experts in numerous subjects, the most notable ones tend to specialise in the highly-specialised fields relating to being idiots, bastards, cunts, backstabbers, and loud-mouths.

 

hima ari & sra Mer@ & Manuk@ mi Q&^*%*%^&

 

lets say any dog can bark once, but insulting Armenia on an Armenian forum ?? you f*&& cunt

 

jackass if you say one more word / an insult to Any Armenian or Armenian subject i will ban you

control your vomiting if you have nothing normal to post get the f&^ out or i will ban your sorry ass

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By the way, American barbarian troops stationed in Turkey were shooting at ancient Armenian monuments and priding themselves with these "heroic" acts.

 

 

I'd like to believe that,

can i have a source please? :)

 

cheers gamavor :D

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You want to believe something bad?

You give cheers for receiving what is unverified and probably a lie? :huh:

 

no, i give cheers because my post seemed rather arrogant and blatant. i respect gamavor, the cheers is a friendly way of saying have a nice day.

gamavor is an armenian, therefore my brother. there are only two armenians on this planet that I hate and that is for personnal reasons. i stand by the rest, no matter if i disagree with any of them, I will still stand by them, because that is what noble, honorable, and loyal people do.

 

Neko, until now, i never saw why everyone called u a turk, or hated you. now, i see you for what you truly are. your a little measly smart-mouthed pest, and in fact, you remind me of the turk that used to be here...i think his name was daniel or something. wtv. point is, you have no business here, I have no time to waste on pests like you

 

good day (piss off)

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no, i give cheers because my post seemed rather arrogant and blatant. i respect gamavor, the cheers is a friendly way of saying have a nice day.

gamavor is an armenian, therefore my brother. there are only two armenians on this planet that I hate and that is for personnal reasons. i stand by the rest, no matter if i disagree with any of them, I will still stand by them, because that is what noble, honorable, and loyal people do.

 

Neko, until now, i never saw why everyone called u a turk, or hated you. now, i see you for what you truly are. your a little measly smart-mouthed pest, and in fact, you remind me of the turk that used to be here...i think his name was daniel or something. wtv. point is, you have no business here, I have no time to waste on pests like you

 

good day (piss off)

 

At the moment you are just a silly schoolboy. Your youth makes your words forgivable and ignorable - but youth doesn't last long so you should try to smarten-up asap.

 

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At the moment you are just a silly schoolboy. Your youth makes your words forgivable and ignorable - but youth doesn't last long so you should try to smarten-up asap.

 

okay, now I am sure he is a turk.

I swear turks always regurgitate the same things! :o

 

EVERY other turk I have challenged and succesfully beaten to the ground, having nothing better to say, just say the same things: your young, you dont know.

 

i have a better idea

 

your a turk, YOU dont know! :angry:

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okay, now I am sure he is a turk.

I swear turks always regurgitate the same things! :o

 

EVERY other turk I have challenged and succesfully beaten to the ground, having nothing better to say, just say the same things: your young, you dont know.

 

i have a better idea

 

your a turk, YOU dont know! :angry:

Here he is;

http://www.armenianow.com/?action=viewArti...40&lng=eng#

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He is quite reasonable as well, except that he will not tell us how much Armenian blood there is in his veins. It comes out when he flies the handle when provoked.

Typical Armenian would you say??

 

woa.

 

but is he armenian at all? or hes just an odar. and if he is odar, what is he? :huh:

 

cheers

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Before World War I there were scores of Armenian churches within 20 km of Akhtamar

 

“Over the past two years, Turkish authorities made much of the restoration of a 10th century Armenian Church on Akhtamar island in Lake Van. Until recently, it was not clear whether this restoration project was a peaceful gesture to Armenians, or a crude gloss over the reality of the Armenian Genocide and the destruction of Armenian cultural properties in modern Turkey,” says the statement issued by Komitas Institute, London, UK.

 

“The head of the Turkish Historical Society, Yusuf Halaçoğlu, commented on the opening of the restored Holy Cross church on Akhtamar Island on April 15th, 2007. We hope his words do not reflect official thinking in Ankara.

 

According to The New Anatolian, Halaçoğlu stated that "We [Turks] don't have anything to hide... Opening the Agdamar Church will be a gesture to Armenians and the whole world… After the conquering of Anatolia, the Turks didn't damage foreign assets… Nothing was destroyed. In this way, these assets have survived through to today."

 

Halaçoğlu's words will surely prove to be an embarrassment to Turkey. Should the guests invited to the opening of the church on April 15th decide to look around them, they will see that Akhtamar Island is an exception.

 

On the eve of World War I, there were scores of medieval Armenian churches within 20 km of Akhtamar Island alone, and practically none of them remain standing today. Most of them have been completely destroyed during the life of the Turkish Republic. Today gravediggers enjoy a free hand looting these localities while Turkish state authorities continue to turn a blind eye to these acts of desecration.

 

Halacoglu's words only add to Turkey's shame,” the statement says.

 

 

PanARMENIAN.Net

 

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No Self-Respecting Armenian Should Accept Turkey's Invitation to Akhtamar

By Harut Sassounian

Publisher, The California Courier

 

The Turkish government has launched a worldwide campaign to exploit, for propaganda purposes, the renovation of the 10th century Holy Cross Church on Akhtamar Island, in Turkish-occupied Western Armenia. Ankara has sent out invitations for "the inaugural" ceremonies to more than 3,000 guests from around the world, including officials from Armenia and Armenians from the Diaspora.

 

According to the Turkish Zaman newspaper, the Turkish government's intent is to use the restoration of the church on March 29 as part of its accelerated efforts to counter the adoption of the Armenian Genocide resolution by the U.S. Congress.

 

Last week, when a Turkish delegation came to Washington to lobby against that resolution, Mehmet Dulger, the Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Commission of the Turkish Parliament, announced that he had brought with him photos of the renovated Akhtamar Church. Dulger said he would show the photo album published by the Ministry of Culture and Tourism to U.S. Congressmen and tell them: "See, the Turks, whom you accuse of genocide, have renovated an Armenian Church with taxes

collected from Turks. And these photos are the evidence." The Turkish government reportedly spent more than $1.5 million for the restoration.

 

Zaman reported that the album would be distributed worldwide to all organizations advocating "Armenian genocide claims." Furthermore, "the culture ministers of all countries that have adopted or will adopt Armenian genocide bills=80¦ are invited to the opening," Zaman wrote.

 

To make maximum propaganda use of this opportunity, an official from the Turkish Ministry of Culture even suggested that the long-blockaded Armenian-Turkish border be temporarily opened for guests from Armenia wishing to cross into Turkey. He also spoke about the possibility of a special direct flight from Yerevan to Van on that occasion. However, the Turkish military vetoed both suggestions.

 

Turkish officials came up with ridiculous explanations when asked why the renovated Holy Cross Church did not have a cross on its dome. Reporters were told that the cross could be the cause of a lightning strike that would burn down the church! Another official ridiculously claimed that he could not find any old photos of the church with a cross on its dome.

 

Even the date of the planned ceremonies has been subject to much political speculation and a comedy of errors. The Turkish government originally set the date for April 24. But after complaints from the Armenian Patriarch, the date was changed to April 11. When Turkish officials learned that April 11 was in fact the same date as April 24 in the old calendar, they changed it yet again to March 29, hoping that they would thus be able to pre-empt the negative impact on Turkey of the worldwide ommemorations of the Armenian Genocide held in April of each year.

 

Once the final date was set, the Turkish Foreign Ministry immediately instructed its ambassadors and consul generals around the world to extend invitations to Armenians and non-Armenians alike to attend the ceremonies on March 29. Invitations were received by scores of Armenians whose addresses had been provided to local Turkish consulates by a couple of Armenian individuals who do the Turkish government's bidding apparently for personal gain.

 

The invitations offend the invitees by describing the Holy Cross Church as the "the Monumental Museum of Akdamar [sic] Church." Even more offensive is the two-page enclosure which states that the carvings of the church walls "show an influence of 9th and 10th century Abbasi art, which was itself influenced by Central Asian Turkish Art."

 

The invitation indicates that the guests are expected to arrive in Ankara on March 28 and leave for Akhtamar in the early morning of March 29, flying from Ankara to Van by private plane. After the conclusion of the opening ceremony -- which may be attended by Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan or Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul -- the invitees will be given lunch, taken on a tour of the city of Van, including the historic castle and then depart to Ankara later that afternoon. After asking them to fly to Turkey, in some cases from halfway around the world, the guests are expected to be on Akhtamar Island not more than an hour and a half which would include the opening ceremony and a recital by a Turkish pianist.

 

While it is obvious that the Turkish government is only interested in the propaganda value of this ancient Armenian Church, it is much less clear whyany Armenian would want to be a part of its unholy ploy. Why would any self-respecting Armenian, whether from Armenia or the Diaspora, allow himself or herself to be used by Turkish authorities for anti-Armenian purposes, specifically in Turkey's efforts to counter the recognition of the Armenian Genocide?

 

Armenians should boycott and denounce this cynical Turkish ploy. If Turkish officials are truly interested in restoring the Holy Cross Church, here are the steps they must take:

 

1) Designate it as a church, not museum, and open it for Christian worship.

 

2) Place it under the jurisdiction of the Armenian Patriarchate of Constantinople, not the Turkish Ministry of Culture and Tourism.

 

3) Place a cross on its dome.

 

4) Remove all false references to a non-existent Turkish influence on the architecture of the Holy Cross Church.

 

World public opinion should be told that Turkey deserves very little credit for renovating this Armenian church. There were thousands of Armenian churches and monuments before the genocide of 1915 throughout today's Turkey. Most of them were confiscated and converted to non-religious use, abandoned to the ravages of time or outright demolished by Turkish officials. To deserve any credit, Turkey should restore these churches and monuments and return them to the Armenian Patriarchate.

 

Until the Turkish authorities implement the above four stops, no self-respecting Armenian should in any way assist or support Ankara's use of the renovation of an Armenian church for Turkish propaganda purposes.

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Harut Sassounian is a vile little hippocrite.

 

That piece of trash has been spreading propaganda about Aghtamar for about a decade - speading lies that the church was about to collapse from neglect, lies that it was being used for target practice, and so on.

 

That piece of trash was the person primarily responsible for setting up the situation where the church could be used by Turkey for a "show restoration", a "restoration" that in fact inflicted much damage on the historic structure. (Not that you will find many Armenians actually daring to criticise the unsound "restoration" - because it is, in its ideological concept and in its execution, identical to "restorations" that have been inflicted on numerous monuments in Armenia).

 

Sassounian doesn't give a *** about Aghtamar - he just uses it as another excuse to go on a bout of mindless Turk-bashing.

 

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