Aratta-Kingdom Posted February 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 Unrelated(We can sacrify EU membership, If they give us enough benefit.) No you can't! You desperately try to get their approval. You desperately wanna look like European. "Show me one country at middle east which will refuse alliance of Turkey." How about you showing a country from Middle East that want an alliance with Turkey USA, UK, Russia(These countries are effective at middle east.), Because turkey is not an alternative "Iran(want at least more cooperation)," Iran hates turkey and the 15million azeri-turks who live in the northern part of Iran. "Pakistan(already ally)," hehehe "syria(want at least more cooperation)," and you are just backing away? arabs hate your guts. "israel,(already ally)," say thank you to the jews that you still exist. "saudi arabia(want at least more cooperation)?" ??? L L "Even northern iraqian kurds will not refuse alliance with Turkey." Your stupidity knows no boundries. "At Europea, we dont have allieance problems too." The Europeans have voted to keep you out from joining E.U. . The French president said you need to undergo major cultural revolution before you can become member of E.U. . What more do they need to say? They even give the turks from Europe a black eye for trying to deny the Armenian Genocide. "Yeah, there are some country who dont like Turkey enterance to EU," here a progress saying the half truth is also a progress "but there is not much counrty which is against Turkey itself." name at least one "Infact western Europea has not our primary real politic lands..(Who care what france want, after all what can she do.)" katvi dunch@ madzunin chasav asec ttvats er "At balkains, we dont have alliance problems too." SAY WHAT??? The Serbs hate your guts. You just started to normalize your relations with the Bulgars. Let's see how long it will last. "Kafkas? Hmm, azeris, georgians?" How about Armenia? Gerogians still need to find out who their ally is. There are millions of Georgians who live in Russia...while the government of Georgia begs the Slavs to build a normal relationship. "Turkey have absolutely not any problem with finding ally." but for some reason you are left without a friend. "Thanks to our position. We are near to three important and difficult area. Middle east balkans and kafkas and we have our effect at all of these three place." an idiot like you makes an onion cry "You have no idea what is dialogue." you mean trash talk? "If someone is not agree you, you attack him, not his ideas. " That's why you need to get rid of Article 301 and stop accusing people for insulting turkey, turkishness, the turkish state, and the founder of turkey. Btw, is Nelson Mandela considered the enemy of the turks? After all, he refused to accept the medal of ataturk, didn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted February 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 arent you bored? i know why you hate me for. this got to be the reason --------> but you see I'm armenian. this is an armenian forum, and i happen to be the village idiot now the quetion is, what the hell are you doing in the armenian forum? are you lost or something? aren't you bored to be lost? don't you have something better to do in life? i have a good news for you . i'm gonna be away for a while. behave yourself unless you wanna get this -----------> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neko Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 (edited) and i happen to be the village idiot You said it. now the quetion is, what the hell are you doing in the armenian forum? are you lost or something? aren't you bored to be lost? don't you have something better to do in life? I don't see anywhere in the rules "only Armenians may post". If you want that, then go set up your own little forum elsewhere, and restrict it to only the purest Armenians (a category that, of course, you must belong to). Edited February 5, 2007 by neko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted February 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 "You said it." What a sorry a$$ opportunist you are just looking for a way to score a poin? shame on you 'I don't see anywhere in the rules "only Armenians may post".' Did anyone say anything about 'only Armenians may post'? This brings to my next question. Just like that fool from turkey, why do you wast yourself in an armenian forum? What do you try to accomplish? Why do you insult the forum members? Why do you insult the Armenian nation? Only after being confronted [by me], you changed your approach a bit to gain the confidence of the armenains. Here is the history of your posts: http://hyeforum.com/index.php?act=Search&a...sult_type=posts "If you want that, then go set up your own little forum elsewhere, and restrict it to only the purest Armenians (a category that, of course, you must belong to)." Why wasn't I surprised that you would answer to my last post? The provocative nature of your question show how sincere you are with discussing real issues. Do you honestly believe by leaving most of my words out and by creating your own phrases will destroy the truth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Aratta-Kingdom Posted February 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 ISLAMISTS VERSUS KEMALISTS: THE COMING STORM IN TURKEY http://www.hellenicnews.com/readnews.html?...317&lang=US By Dr. Christos Evangeliou Professor of Philosophy Mustafa Kemal Ataturk and the national movement of Kemalism which he initiated in the 1920'ies, may finally meet their nemesis in the person of Mr. Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the charismatic leader of the ruling Islamist Party and current Prime Minister of Turkey. The year 2007 did not begin well for Turkey, with the hideous murder of Hrant Dink, Editor-in-Chief of Agos, the main newspaper of the Armenian Community in Constantinople. But, in all probability, this year will be fateful for Turkey's future, for it will be a year of elections for a new President as well as a new Government, perhaps with many surprises. It is reasonable, therefore, that the question in the minds of many thinking Turks and their friends these days is whether the history of the 1997 will be repeated, with Mr. Erdogan in the role of Mr. Erbakan. Some also wonder whether Erdogan will decide finally to use his current parliamentary majority to have himself elected President, in the parliamentary election of the President in the spring, leaving thus his trusted friend, Mr. Abdullah Gul, to lead the Islamist Party (AKP) to a renewed victory in the fall of 2007. However, such possible development will not go down well with the powerful Turkish Military, which is the real political power in Turkey since the time of Ataturk. Traditionally, the Turkish Military has kept a vigilant eye on the political developments and has intervened regularly every ten years or so to put Turkey back in the `right track,' any time the poor country tried to breathe a little more freely and more democratically. These days the Turkish Military, under the leadership of General Buyukanit, does not seem thrilled with the possibility of having the headscarves of Mrs. Erdogan and her Islamist friends in and out of the Presidential Palace of the nominally `secular' Turkey. But, given Erdogan's demagogic appeal to the Islamic masses, the Kemalists may not have a choice, unless they decide to take drastic action soon. Hence the possibility of a collision between Erdogan's Islamists (the same as Erbakan's in 1997) and Kemalists, who seem determined to keep Turkey `secular' and under their control in perpetuity. This may sound strange and paradoxical in view of the fact that Turkey desires to become a member of the European Union, where militaries are under ` political control.' The Erdogan Government, so far at least, has played very skillfully the card of a process of possible membership in the EU in the distant future, in order to weaken the Military's grip on power in Turkey, while at the same time it has advanced the interests of the AKP. But it is doubtful that the Kemalists will allow Erdogan and his Party to proceed further in a direction which, in their minds, under-mines the `secularism' of Ataturk's legacy. Kemalism, as a political phenomenon, was the product of political conditions that obtained at the end of World War I, the Great War that brought an end to three Empires: the Austrian, the Russian, and the Turkish. Several nationalistic, militaristic, and secular movements took shape at the period between the end of the First and the Second World War in Europe, in response to the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia in 1917: Fascism in Italy, Kemalism in Turkey, Nazism in Germany, and the dictatorial regimes of Franko in Spain and Metaxas in Greece. Of these regimes, Kemalism proved to be most durable. It is a mark of Ataturk's genius that Kemalism is still active in Turkey, while the other revolutionary regimes of the 20th century have been dead and forgotten a long time ago. The creations of Metaxas, Franko, Mussolini, Hitler, and even Lenin and Stalin, are history now. Only Ataturk's structure was able to survive to this day. This may be partly due to the fact that, even after his Party gave up the monopoly of political power, real power remained with the Turkish Military (that is, the National Security Council). The parties were allowed to play their political game of holding elections periodically and succeeding each other in government, so long as they did this by following the rules of the game as established by the NSC. Until now, the scheme has worked remarkably well. But now the Islamists in power in Turkey may decide to change the rules of this old game that is getting to their nerves. Since they do have the majority of the vote, they may undo democratically the `secularism' that General Kemal established dictatorially. Following the example of the Iranian Islamist Revolution, they may set new rules for the game, with controlling power in the hands, not of Generals, but Imams, Ayatollahs, or a Caliph. Such development will certainly make Mustafa Kemal turn in his grave, and make Kemalism history finally. Such possible development will be in accord with the spirit of revival revolutionary Islam that is spreading in the Middle East and in Anatolia. But will Kemalists permit its coming, if they think that they have the power to prevent it? That is the question to which this year, as we said, is expected to provide the answer. The situation is serious, and not only for Turkey and its political future. Judging by certain recent moves and pronouncements of the Turkish NSC regarding the Cyprus problem, they seem to contradict the statements of the Erdogan Government and its expected moves to meet its responsibilities to the EU that will allow the process of negotiations to continue. So, Cyprus may be used once again as a pretext for the Turkish Military to take action to frustrate the designs of Erdogan's Party. The Greek diplomacy would do well to keep an eye on forthcoming political developments in Turkey and to be prepared to act accordingly. Given its recent history of `surprises,' it should not be surprised this time. Alternatively, the Turks may decide to interfere in the politics of Northern Iraq. This could happen especially if the Turkish militarists believed that the US has by now forgotten the Turkish refusal of its request to open a second front in the North in the crucial face of the Iraq war, in the spring of 2003. The US paid a heavy price for that. It cannot forget, although it seems that it has forgiven the Erdogan Government and the Turkish Military for being uncooperative and even unfriendly in a time of need. That is not what was expected from an ally, on whose military America has invested so many billions of dollars for so many years. Communism may be dead, but Islamism is re-born. Dr. Christos Evangeliou is Professor of Hellenic Philosophy at Towson University, and author of several books including the latest, Hellenic Philosophy: Origin and Character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 I am sure US will punish turkey given the opportunity. But the question is how? when? and how intense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted February 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Dutch party wants to ban Turks from Cabinet 17.02.2007 /PanARMENIAN.Net/ The Dutch anti-immigration Party for Freedom (PVV) on Thursday called for politicians with dual nationality, including Nebahat Albayrak who also has Turkish citizenship, to be banned from being members of Parliament or the Cabinet, reports the Turkish Daily news. Politicians holding dual nationality might serve foreign interests instead of Dutch interests, PVV deputy Sietse Fritsma said in a proposed amendment to existing laws on citizenship, published on the party's Web site. “When, for example, the Armenian Genocide is being discussed, we suddenly see some [politicians with double nationality] talking with two hats or shamelessly defending the Turkish point of view,” he wrote. “It is unacceptable that serving foreign interests is possible by [Dutch] Cabinet members,” added he. Two politicians set to join the Cabinet, Nebahat Albayrak and Ahmed Aboutaleb, have Turkish and Moroccan passports respectively in addition to their Dutch passports, according to Dutch daily NRC Handelsblad. Albayrak is a member of parliament, while Aboutaleb is an Amsterdam city councilor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted February 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Ataturk's House of Horor: Torture Still a Problem in Turkey http://today.reuters.com/News/CrisesArticl...oryId=L27714366 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irlandahay Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Look hayvanoglu hayvan, so many of us tried to start an honest dialogue with you and asked you to stop the childish games and discuss the issues. But what you do is come up with "Our historians lie, your historians lie" or "I accept Genocide but Turkey shouldn't" and some other garbage. If this is your discussion giving statements without giving your reasons for those statements then you should go back to elementary school and learn all over again your ABC and learn how to dialogue with people. Dear Mods you have given this zurdeve enough time already. His only purpose here is to create headache and not to discuss any issue. Thanks. noble king. dont let this turk get to you. you are twice as good looking and thrice as cunning we shall find a good wife for you yet. he can be village idiot if you want seriously mate, dont let him get to you, hes not worth it, i merely ignore him. cheers noble king Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irlandahay Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 i know why you hate me for. this got to be the reason --------> but you see I'm armenian. this is an armenian forum, and i happen to be the village idiot now the quetion is, what the hell are you doing in the armenian forum? are you lost or something? aren't you bored to be lost? don't you have something better to do in life? i have a good news for you . i'm gonna be away for a while. behave yourself unless you wanna get this -----------> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA cheers armoArmen, cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeers :D:D:D:D I humbly bow to you (and trust me, i bow to practically no one...besides king yervant of course ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted February 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA cheers armoArmen, cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeers :D:D:D:D I humbly bow to you (and trust me, i bow to practically no one...besides king yervant of course ) Thank You Sir. I got the PM...check yours. Cheers to Yervant. I don't know what to do now...to bow or to break dance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Thank You Sir. I got the PM...check yours. Cheers to Yervant. I don't know what to do now...to bow or to break dance. ArmoArmeN you are now officially became the second in line Prince to the throne of Bearia. Of course Prince Patrick being the first. You have permission to use Bear avatar now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 ...to bow or to break dance. DON'T think twice...! And as for Your Majesty Lord of all Bearia and Beaver Alliance... You have permission to use Bear avatar now. Jealousy is a cursed thing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted February 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 ArmoArmeN you are now officially became the second in line Prince to the throne of Bearia. Of course Prince Patrick being the first. You have permission to use Bear avatar now. Long Live The Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted February 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 DON'T think twice...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irlandahay Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Long Live The houzzah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 (edited) And as for Your Majesty Lord of all Bearia and Beaver Alliance... Jealousy is a cursed thing... But you are the propaganda and defence minister of Bearia, so you had that right. But I like your avatar as is. If you are not happy with your position, I can make you the Prince of Beaver Alliance. Edited March 1, 2007 by Yervant1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted March 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 8 million Turkish women illiterate http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=67767 New poll shows Turkish women aren't happy http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar...8&bolum=101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 (edited) But you are the propaganda and defence minister of Bearia, so you had that right. But I like your avatar as is. smile.gif If you are not happy with your position, I can make you the Prince of Beaver Alliance. wink.gif lol.gif M'lord, that would be like promoting me into the Texas government but pronouncing me governor of Texas: Not much power with'dem Beavers down there... So I will gladly uphold my current rank. LLTY...!!! (Long Live The Yervant, dummies.... ) P.S. (tsap tsap tsap) Arrata!!! Edited March 10, 2007 by Zartonk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 8 million Turkish women illiterate 8 million illiterate in 2007 is alarming enough for any recognized nation. But Europe's potential second largest population? And so many of the fair sex...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted March 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 8 million illiterate and only 3% of women in turkey have some kind of higher education. every society is shaped by the moral/social standards set by women. it's scary to see that women in turkey have no clue about the world around them. how could these people even think about joining e.u. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted March 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 M'lord, that would be like promoting me into Texas legislature but pronouncing me governor of Texas. Not much power with'dem Beavers down there... So I will gladly uphold my current rank. LLTY...!!! (Long Live The Yervant, dummies.... ) P.S. (tsap tsap tsap) Arrata!!! Don't blame me. I told you at NC. I'm just a soldier )) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 Armenia and neighboring countries (2005): Armenia 99.4% (32) Georgia 99.9 (tied @ 1st) Azerbaijan 98.8 (38) Turkey 88.3 (91) Iran 80.0 (113) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irlandahay Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Armenia and neighboring countries (2005): Armenia 99.4% (32) Georgia 99.9 (tied @ 1st) Azerbaijan 98.8 (38) Turkey 88.3 (91) Iran 80.0 (113) i dont get it, what are these stats about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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