DominO123 Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 wan you go to the web site you can see **NOTE: Measure has been removed. i don't get this I guess the United Cowards of America has done it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Em Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Something statrted..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 allright Mr Sherman! (I picked a good day to stay home) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 House commitee If you look at the bottom of the page it says removed!WTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Please Dear members post all your Genocide bill 2007 under this topic. I'll be bringing all the other ones dealing with this issue here. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vayri7X Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 House commitee If you look at the bottom of the page it says removed!WTF ah-no they are debating it right now does anyone know which CSPAN on tv this is on? granparents don't have internet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vayri7X Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 i am watching it live from the website right now, so its not removed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 reeses / then the vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 2 minutes ago White House: Genocide resolution would hurt relations with key ally WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush and key figures in his administration lobbied hard Wednesday against a House resolution that labels the killings of Armenians in Turkey during World War I as "genocide." art.bush.10.10.ap.jpg President Bush urges the House not to pass a resolution he says would harm U.S. relations with Turkey. Click to view previous image 1 of 2 Click to view next image The president, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Defense Secretary Robert Gates said passage of the resolution would hurt relations with an important U.S. ally. Bush urged lawmakers to oppose the resolution, which he said would cause "great harm" to U.S. relations with Turkey, which he called a key ally in NATO and the "global war on terror." But House Democratic leaders said if the Foreign Affairs Committee passes the resolution, they intend to bring it to the House floor. "We all deeply regret the tragic suffering of the Armenian people that began in 1915. This resolution is not the right response to those historic mass killings," Bush said at the White House. Earlier, Rice and Gates made their comments jointly before reporters at the White House. They said Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. military officer in Iraq, and U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker, and head of U.S. Central Command Adm. William Fallon raised concerns about the resolution. "We recognize the feelings of those who want to express their concern and their disdain for what happened many years ago," Rice said. "But the passage of this resolution at this time would, indeed, be very problematic for everything that we're trying to do in the Middle East because we are very dependent on a good Turkish strategic ally to help with our efforts." Video Watch why Rice and Gates oppose the resolution » The nonbinding proposal, which is to be considered by the House Foreign Affairs Committee, refers to the "genocide" of Armenians in the early 20th century during the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, which preceded the creation of modern Turkey in 1923. Don't Miss * Kurdish group's decades of violent struggle * Report: Turkey hits rebels in Iraq "In the case that Armenian allegations are accepted, there will be serious problems in the relations between the two countries," said President Abdullah Gul in a letter to President Bush. Nabi Sensoy, Turkey's ambassador to the United States, told CNN the resolution's passage would be a "very injurious move to the psyche of the Turkish people." He predicted a "backlash" in the country, saying there would be setbacks on several fronts: Turkish-American relations, Turkish-Armenian relations and the normalization of relations between the nations of Turkey and Armenia. Gates said good relations with Turkey are vital because 70 percent of the air cargo intended for and 30 percent of the fuel consumed by the U.S. forces in Iraq flies through Turkey. U.S. commanders, Gates said, "believe clearly that access to airfields and roads and so on in Turkey would very much be put at risk if this resolution passes and the Turks react as strongly as we believe they will." "Our heavy dependence on the Turks for access is really the reason the commanders raised this and why we're so concerned about the resolution," Gates said. The resolution, which has much support in the full House, calls on the president "to ensure that the foreign policy of the United States reflects appropriate understanding and sensitivity concerning issues related to human rights, ethnic cleansing and genocide documented in the United States record relating to the Armenian genocide, and for other purposes." A similar resolution passed the committee by a 40-7 vote two years ago, but it never reached the full House floor. House Republican leader John Boehner, noting the critical military and strategic alliance with Turkey, said bringing the resolution to the floor would be "totally irresponsible." "Let the historians decide what happened 90 years ago," Boehner said in a written statement. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Majority Leader Steny Hoyer met with Turkish officials in Pelosi's office on Wednesday morning. Hoyer said he and Pelosi informed the officials that they support the resolution. Hoyer said he told officials that while he considers Turkey a strong ally, "this was about another government at another time." "I believe that our government's position is clear -- that genocide was perpetrated against the Armenian people approximately 90 years ago and during the course of the First World War. And I believe that remembering that, noting that, is important so that we not paper over or allow the Ahmadinejads of the next decade or decades to deny a fact," Hoyer said. Rep. Adam Schiff, D-California, the resolution's author and sponsor, refers to "the systematic and deliberate annihilation of 1,500,000 Armenians as genocide." The term genocide is defined in dictionary.com as "the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group." But the description is hotly disputed in Turkey, the predominantly Muslim, but modern and secular, pro-Western ally of the United States. Turks argue that all peoples -- Armenians and Turks -- suffered during the warfare. But Armenians maintain there was an organized genocide by the Ottoman Turkish authorities, and have been campaigning across the world for official recognition of the genocide. The resolution arrives at a particularly sensitive juncture in U.S.-Turkish relations. The United States has urged Turkey not to send its troops over the border into northern Iraq to fight Kurdish separatist rebels, who have launched some cross-border attacks against Turkish targets. Observers of U.S.-Turkish relations have argued that the House resolution could make Turkey less inclined to use restraint in dealing with its longstanding problems with the Kurdistan Workers Party. Schiff, who represents a southern California district with many Armenian-Americans, said the "bipartisan measure currently has 226 cosponsors, more than a majority in the House and the most support an Armenian genocide resolution has ever received." "The United States has a compelling historical and moral reason to recognize the Armenian genocide, which cost a million and a half people their lives," said Schiff. "But we also have a powerful contemporary reason as well. How can we take effective action against the genocide in Darfur if we lack the will to condemn genocide whenever and wherever it occurs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 how long was this resssessss for ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Tom Lantos's introduction: Foreign Affaires H.Res. 106 October 10, 2007 Verbatim, as delivered Opening Statement by Chairman Lantos at markup of H. Res. 106 Today we are not considering whether the Armenian people were persecuted and died in huge numbers at the hands of Ottoman troops in the early 20th Century. There is unanimity in the Congress and across the country that these atrocities took place. If the resolution before us stated that fact alone, it would pass unanimously. The controversy lies in whether to make it United States policy at this moment in history to apply a single word – genocide – to encompass this enormous blot on human history. The United Nations Convention on Genocide defines the term as a number of actions, and I quote, “committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group.” These actions include killing or causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group, and deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction, in whole or in part. Henry Morgenthau, the U.S. Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire at the time of the atrocities, wrote -- and I am quoting -- “I am confident that the whole history of the human race contains no such horrible episode as this. The great massacres and persecutions of the past seem almost insignificant when compared with the sufferings of the Armenian race in 1915.” The leadership of the United States has been in universal agreement in condemning the atrocities but has been divided about using the term “genocide.” On one occasion, President Ronald Reagan referred to, I quote, “the genocide of the Armenians.” But subsequent Presidents -- George Herbert Walker Bush, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, have refrained from using the word out of deference to Turkish sentiments on the matter. In recognizing this tragedy, some in Congress have seen common themes with the debate our committee held earlier this year on a resolution about another historic injustice – the tens of thousands of so-called “Comfort Women” forced into sexual slavery by Imperial Japan. The current Japanese government went to great length to attempt to prevent debate on that matter, and dire predictions were made that passage of such a resolution would harm U.S.-Japan relations. Those dire consequences never materialized. A key feature distinguishing today’s debate from the one on the “Comfort Women” resolution is that U.S. troops are currently engaged in wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Our troops depend on a major Turkish airbase for access to the fighting fronts, and it serves as a critical part of the supply lines to those fronts. A growing majority in Congress, and I am among them, strongly oppose continued U.S. troop involvement in the civil war in Iraq, but none of us wants to see those supply lines threatened or abruptly cut. All eight living former secretaries of state recently cautioned Congress on this matter. And I quote, “It is our view,” write former Secretaries Albright, Baker, Christopher, Eagleburger, Haig, Kissinger, Powell and Shultz, “that passage of this resolution … could endanger our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and damage efforts to promote reconciliation between Armenia and Turkey.” Three former secretaries of defense – Carlucci, Cohen and Perry – this week advised Congress that passage of this resolution, and I quote again, “would have a direct, detrimental effect on the operational capabilities, safety and well being of our armed forces in Iraq and in Afghanistan.” Members of this committee have a sobering choice to make. We have to weigh the desire to express our solidarity with the Armenian people and to condemn this historic nightmare through the use of the word “genocide” against the risk that it could cause young men and women in the uniform of the United States armed services to pay an even heavier price than they are currently paying. This is a vote of conscience, and the Committee will work its will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Members of this committee have a sobering choice to make. We have to weigh the desire to express our solidarity with the Armenian people and to condemn this historic nightmare through the use of the word “genocide” against the risk that it could cause young men and women in the uniform of the United States armed services to pay an even heavier price than they are currently paying. This is a vote of conscience, and the Committee will work its will. So this is how they're going to spin it. "Vote down the resolution or put a knife in the back of our troops." Total BS - but it might juts be effective Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 i'm running out of patients Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 someone say something !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 someone say something !!!! Last minute back room dealings and arm twisting that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 (edited) theres no way to know when it will be over?akh I have things to do ,I cant' sit here in front of the comp...or go back and forth to the comp....I wish we could see who was voting yay or nay! I tried CSPAN,but they have already moved on to another subject...I want to see what's going on in that room!!! Edited October 10, 2007 by Maral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 bah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 House commitee If you look at the bottom of the page it says removed!WTF They removed the "removed" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 bah eench bah?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 eench bah?? Oh nevermind, I'm just impatient.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Armenia TV is showing vazgen manukyan instead of talking about the resolution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haytorontonian Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 they are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Armenia TV is showing vazgen manukyan instead of talking about the resolution They might be right to do that. I'm certain they don't really give a s**t what the American's think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 esgesahn,verchabehs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 awtv is a music program Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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