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He is not Armenian... if he was, he would have been killed by now. Looks like Kurdish and his last name is Demirjan, not Demirjian... I had to watch it twice to understand his name

In case you haven't heard already; A Lecture by Etyen Mahcubyan - Editor-in-chief of AGOS will take place on Wednesday, November 14th at 8PM in Toronto, Holy Trinity Armenian Apostolic Church, "Magaros Artinian" Hall... 920 Progress Avenue (401 and Markham Road).

Just made it home from work and very happy to hear the good news...

It sounds like something happened in the break... doesn't look too good, I hope I am wrong.

I thought they said they will start voting after the break, they are still talking.....

they are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The DVD is available in Toronto at our church (930 Progress Avenue) that's where I bought mine and enjoyed it a lot!

God Bless His Soul! Thanks for the link, I've been listening past hour.

Yes I read it too about three years ago. I took at least two weeks break before reading the last several pages and cried a lot. It is very well written.

Hi Edward, I am looking forward to your move to Canada, and you have to keep your promise to sing to this old lady of 43 in Toronto

THANK YOU NAIRI, YOU MADE MY DAY

Oh no, I heard one song of Rabiz kind, no way I'll stick to traditional ones for now. Thanks.

I just started to listen to haygagan music so I need the words for this one only. Please help. Ok I'll take Tatoul to Canada and keep him here.

Very cute Nairi, thanks for trying. I still need the lyrics, I can't sing it if I don't know the words.

Chem Uzum by Tatoul Does anyone know this song? I would really really like to have the lyrics of this song. Thanks in advance.

You forgot the pine nuts. Put the pine nuts in the pot first, stir them constantly and make sure they are pink then add the cream of wheat and follow the rest.

Thanks a lot. After reading your post, I uninstalled the Armenian NLS and installed Yahoo Messenger and it worked. I couldn't understand till now why it didn't work. Thanks again for the tip.

Here is the Article: TURKEY DIRECTOR GENERAL OF NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC ARAYICI SAYS THEY, AS PUBLISHER OF MAGAZINE IN TURKEY, DO NOT APPROVE THE ARTICLE ABOUT ARMENIA Turkey Director General of National Geographic magazine Murat Arayici said regarding an article on Armenia which includes improper claims against Turkey, ''it is a very unfortunate article. We, as publisher of the magazine in Turkey, do not approve this article.'' Replying to questions of A.A correspondent on Thursday, Arayici said that they were in coordination with the United States on publishing the magazine in Turkey, and added that the article which caused reaction would normally have taken place in March issue of the magazine in Turkey. Arayici stressed that they could not intervene in editorial process of the magazine which was published in the United States. Arayici said, ''the article which was published in the United States was sent to us. We conveyed our reservations about the issue. We said, 'it is a sensitive issue in Turkey. The expressions in the article will cause problems and uneasiness in Turkey. Please reconsider this article.' Some part of it was taken into consideration and the whole article was not changed. Thus, we rejected the article and did not publish it.'' ''It is an unfortunate article. We, as publisher of the magazine in Turkey, do not approve this article. We conveyed the reaction of Turkish public opinion to the United States. We asked for an explanation. An explanation will be given in coming process,' Arayici added. When asked whether this event would affect the sale of the magazine in Turkey, Arayici said that it was too early to discuss this. (AA) 04.03.2004 turkishpress.com

I have been told by Armenians living in Turkey and as well there was an article written by the Turkish general manager of National Geographic. Unfortunately, I couldn't find the article in English.

Hello All, Just to let you know that the March issue of the Magazine is banned in turkey (the English version). They have the turkish version without the Armenian article of course. I supposse we can all write letters to the editor of the Magazine and let them know that their March issue is not selling in Turkey. Thanks.

Thanks Vava. Sorry I posted here but here is a bit more update. They operated on his leg and he is doing well so far. They were all blessed.

ANTALYA - Armenian Patriarch Mesrob Mutafyan has been slightly injured in a traffic accident. Sources told the A.A correspondent on Saturday that a minibus carrying Patriarch Mutafyan and 11 other people turned over near Doyran village in southern province of Antalya. Besides Mutafyan, Turkish-Armenian Patriarchate Spokesman Luiz Bakar, Senior Priest Sahak Mashaliyan, Mutafyan's Assistant Hovannes Bayram, photographer Manuel Citak and seven members of Youth Commission were slightly injured in the accident. They were rushed to nearby hospitals for medical treatments. Doctors said that they were in good condition. Meanwhile, Patriarch Mutafyan told the A.A correspondent that the accident occurred when they were on a tour to Antalya under religious belief tourism. Mutafyan thanked Interior Minister Abdulkadir Aksu, Antalya Governor Alaaddin Yuksel, Antalya Police Chief Naciye Ekmekcibasi and the other officials for their sincere interest. ARMENIAN PATRIARCH MUTAFYAN BROUGHT TO ISTANBUL ISTANBUL - Turkish Armenian Patriarch Mesrob Mutafyan who was injured in a traffic accident in southern province of Antalya, was brought to Istanbul on Monday. Mutafyan suffering a broken foot and nose, was taken to the Armenian Hospital in Zeytinburnu district of Istanbul for medical treatment. Doctors said that Mutafyan's injuries were not considered life-threatening.

I was in Istanbul not too long ago and met bunch of people there. Some of them are now involved in local politics. They seem to be happy whatever they are involved in BUT they have their kids out of that country already. Anyone I know or met during my stay, I told them to get out but for me it is easy to say since I no longer live there. I was approached by some 25 - 35 year olds, wanted to leave but cannot, can't get visa's to go anywhere. The remaining Armenians are doing a very fine job looking after whatever schools and churches left. I am thankful to those people. Of course, I am more thankful to my mom and brother who got me out of there. Please note: Not every Bolsohay is "rich", has a summer house in Kinali (the island). Should anyone wishes to sponsor, bring in a fellow Armenian to their homes, provide for them until they are on their own feet, contact me, I'll get you some names. I was a working class person, I am still a working class person here in Toronto, BUT a happier and safer one. Regards,

Here is another version of the cancellation - National Post - Toronto, Canada Extremist threats stall Egoyan film Turks postpone movie on genocide Mary Vallis National Post Wednesday, January 07, 2004 Atom Egoyan's film about the Armenian genocide may never be shown in Turkey because of threats from an extremist group that is warning the government to reverse its decision to allow the release of the controversial movie. The pressure has prompted Belge Film, the company that is distributing Ararat in Turkey, to postpone the film's Jan. 16 release. If opposition continues to grow, the release may be cancelled altogether, said Aysegul Cetin, the company's general manager. "We'd like to make the film released in Turkey," she said in an interview from Istanbul yesterday. "But if the protests become more serious and dangerous and the reaction gets bigger, then we have to maybe stop the release." Mr. Egoyan, a Canadian of Armenian descent, said the postponement is not surprising. "I think that it's unfortunate," he told the National Post. "I would hope that they're able to go ahead and show the film at some point, preferably in its complete form and without cuts, but even that's looking unlikely, I suppose." The controversy has captured headlines in Turkish newspapers and brought the issue of freedom of expression to the fore. The threats are coming from Ulku Ocaklari, a right-wing nationalist organization, which is distributing crude posters that depict the governing party and the filmmakers as the country's enemies. They have appeared in newspapers and been plastered along streets in Istanbul. Ararat has been contentious since its 2002 release. It examines the lingering effects of the Armenian genocide in Ottoman Turkey during and following the First World War, an atrocity some in the Turkish community continue to deny. About 1.5 million Armenians were massacred by Turks between 1915 and 1923. The Turkish government has denied there was a genocide, arguing the Armenians died during a period of civil unrest and not as the result of an organized campaign. Turkish extremists adamantly oppose discussion of the issue. Ararat tells the story of an Armenian director trying to make a film about the genocide. Jumping back and forth between 1915 and present-day Toronto, the film contains graphic re-creations of the horror and weaves together the plights of individuals searching for truth in a personal and historical context. It won five of its nine Genie Award nominations in February, including best picture. Mr. Egoyan's wife, Arsinee Khanjian, was also named best actress for her portrayal of an art historian who advises on the film-within-the-film. Mr. Egoyan said the latest postponement is particularly dispiriting because Ararat's premiere was supposed to convey an emerging spirit of openness in Turkish society. Before the country's new moderate Islamist government took power in November, 2002, he said, the government essentially treated him as an enemy of the state. The Justice & Development Party (AKP) recently announced it was taking steps to expand freedom of expression as part of the country's bid to join the European Union. In late December, Ankara announced a culture ministry commission had deemed Ararat suitable for viewing. Erkan Mumcu, the Culture & Tourism Minister, said Turkey "can easily tolerate such things." At least one rape scene, however, will be censored. "If some people are curious, they can go and see it," he recently told reporters. He added, however, his information suggested, "it is a film which is very much didactic and can even be described as ridiculous propaganda." Ulku Ocaklari vehemently opposes the minister's decision to allow Turks to see the film. Its posters show a blue X over a piece of artwork advertising Ararat. Above it is the acronym for the AKP and a phrase that translates as "It will never happen." "The people who dare to show the movie ... should not forget that there is a price for enmity toward the Turks," the group said in a news release issued in late December. "We call on the AKP government, Minister Erkan Mumcu and the film distributing company to take our warning seriously and make the right decision." Ms. Cetin said the extremist group's anger is primarily focused on the AKP, not the film. She suggested Ulku Ocaklari is using Ararat's release as a way of mobilizing Turks against the government. The film's trailer has been playing for a month in Ankara, and there has been no opposition, she added. She is optimistic Belge Film will be able to release Ararat by the end of January, if it can establish contact with Ulku Ocaklari and quell the group's opposition. A group defending Mr. Egoyan in Canada argues Turkey must acknowledge its history if it wants to join the ranks of civilized nations. "Talking about the Armenian genocide, it's tantamount to treason in Turkey," said Aris Babikian, a spokesman for the Armenian National Committee of Canada. "Showing the film will give the public an opening to start discussing this issue in a more honest, direct way." mvallis@nationalpost.com © National Post 2004

Here is the link and no they don't have it in English. www.bolsohays.com Ararat icin erteleme cikti - (Postponement for Ararat) Ararat filminin gosterimi ithalatci firma tarafindan ertelendi. Karara ulkuculerin neden oldugu ileri suruldu Yonetmen Atom Egoyan in Ermeni soykirimi iddialarina yer verdigi ve 16 Ocak tarihinde vizyona girmesi beklenen Ararat filminin gosterimi ithalatci firma tarafindan belirsiz bir sure ertelendi. Karara ulkuculerin tepkisinin neden oldugu ileri suruldu. Film Degerlendirme ve Denetleme Komisyonu Ararat in gosterimine filmin "Abartili sinema diliyle Ermeni tarih tezlerini savundugu ve Osmanli askerlerini kucultucu sahnelerin bulundugu" kisimlarin kesilmesi sartiyla izin vermisti. Izin kararinin cikmasi uzerine Ulku Ocaklari Genel Merkezi gecen pazar gunu yazili bir aciklamayla AKP iktidarini Turk dusmani Ermeni lobilerini cesaretlendirmekle suclamisti. Aciklamada Turizm ve Kultur Bakani Erkan Mumcu da "Ararat filmini Turkiye de yayinlama ihanetine ilk imzayi atan yetkili" olmakla suclanmisti. Aciklamanin sonunda ise "Turk e dusmanligin bedeli oldugu unutulmamali" denildi Kaynak : Radikal (Newspaper published in Turkey)