Aubépine Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 i'm afraid not - it has become a pissing contest It's better to erase all irrelevant posts on this page and the previous, including my message. It has no place here and it's disrespectful to the memory of Hrant Dink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Ok - I did some cleanup. Let's try and keep the thread clean please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neko Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Ok - I did some cleanup. Let's try and keep the thread clean please. Thanks for nothing. What you call "clean" is actually sterile and pointless. If I want just a list of news reports I go to groong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Thanks for nothing. What you call "clean" is actually sterile and pointless. If I want just a list of news reports I go to groong. Do the moderators have a blocker to take care of these pop-ups? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Thanks for nothing. What you call "clean" is actually sterile and pointless. If I want just a list of news reports I go to groong. Obviously this shows that you did not read the whole thread and understood it, only looking for cheap shots in the dark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Dink family filed suit against those who failed to protect him 14.02.2007 /PanARMENIAN.Net/ Yesterday in Istanbul, the widow of Hrant Dink, Rakel Dink, accompanied by her children Arat, Sera, and Delal, appeared in court to file a suit against both those who committed the murder of her husband, and those who failed to protect her husband. Dink provided one and a half hours of testimony. Yasin Hayal's father and lawyer arrived yesterday at the Trabzon Criminal Courts to file a request for the Istanbul Prosecutor in the case of Hayal, who was arrested as an accomplice and planner in the January 19 Hrant Dink murder. Hayal's lawyer, Fatih Cakir, spoke yesterday to reporters, telling them that his client was not the real planner behind the Dink murder, but that instead it was fellow Trabzon youth, Erhan Tuncel. Tuncel is also currently under arrest in Istanbul, with accusations that he, like Hayal, gathered youth in Trabzon around him, encouraging them in violent acts of nationalism, reports Hurriyet newspaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Thanks for nothing. What you call "clean" is actually sterile and pointless. If I want just a list of news reports I go to groong. What I removed was a steady string of insults along with the resulting off-topic diversions. Some good posts may have been removed also - but they did not have any relevance to Hrant Dink, nor this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Do the moderators have a blocker to take care of these pop-ups? This is off-topic, but if you're having pop-ups you've likely got spyware on your machine. Check the topics on spyware in the help forum for instruction of how to remove it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellektor Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 (edited) Ok - I did some cleanup. Let's try and keep the thread clean please. OK, let's have it your way. You simply deleted my posts. It's different when you edit "fuck"s and replace them with ****. I will no longer participate in the discussions to your relief but I will occasionally send articles related to Armenians. Edited February 16, 2007 by Hellektor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Someone was just talking about the free speech and democracy in other topic and now is censoring this one. Great job! Hellector cmon man do not get insulted. We need you man. I consider you one of few who acts more and talks less. Chgnas! Mna ste! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Do the moderators have a blocker to take care of these pop-ups? Armo our forum has no pop-ups wer do you see pop-ups ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 OK, let's have it your way. You simply deleted my posts. It's different when you edit "fuck"s and replace them with ****. I will no longer participate in the discussions to your relief but I will occasionally send articles related to Armenians. hangstatsy barekam - voch mi andznakan kam hatuk depi qez ughvats ararq chka iystegh !!! vagh@ muys or du MOD klines tesnem du inch es anelu // Vavajan Thank you Bro nice job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Armo our forum has no pop-ups wer do you see pop-ups ?? Mosjan he meant Neko's post was the pop up, as far as I understood it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Hellektor: There were over two dozen postings that were either off-topic, or irrelevant to the thread. They were not removed for censorship or even personal reasons. Your two posts discussed the Azeri actions during the war in Artsakh, and the actions of some famous Armenian revolutionaries. While lucid posts, they were in response to other off-topic posts. It's your choice whether you participate or not. But since you seem so attached to your posts, I can PM them to you and you can begin a new topic if you like. Just let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Mosjan he meant Neko's post was the pop up, as far as I understood it. ohhhh ok most be the Tylenol 3 Doc did told me not to take more then 3 at the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neko Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 There were over two dozen postings that were either off-topic, or irrelevant to the thread. They were not removed for censorship or even personal reasons. And their removal has resulted in 14 more off-topic postings, including this one! Lesson - it is best just to leave a topic to go in whatever direction posters take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 SAMSUN POLICE CHIEF WAS PRESENT IN ROOM WHERE IMAGES OF DINK MURDERER WERE TAKEN * The investigation continues into the photograph and video images taken of Agos Armenian-Turkish newspaper editor Hrant Dink's killer, 17 year old Ogun Samast, in the Samsun police station directly after his capture, talking, being offered cigarettes, and posing in front of the Turkish flag with security force members, PanARMENIAN.Net reported. Yesterday, two inspectors sent from Ankara to look into the incident said they have determined that the Samsun Police Chief, Mustafa Ilhan, and one prosecutor were also in the police station's tearoom where the images were taken; in total, 13 people were reportedly present while Samast was in the room. One high level authority from the police headquarters said that disciplinary action taken against Ilhan may go as far as dismissal from his post in Samsun, reports Hurriyet newspaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 (edited) yes Mos jan, I was referring to nekos post. incheve, ancnenq araj. arjani chen dranq ushadrutyan Edited February 17, 2007 by ArmoArmeN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 A TURKISH MURDER ECHOES THROUGHOUT THE WEST Assyrian International News Agency, CA Feb 14 2007 Fifty-three-year old Turkish-Armenian journalist, editor and columnist Hrant Dink was slain by gunfire in Istanbul on January 19, 2007. He was not only a courageous outspoken member of the Armenian minority in Turkey, he was husband to Rachel, who read aloud her letter to him at his funeral, and the father of several children. According to eyewitnesses, Dink was shot three times at point blank range in the back of his head by a young man who shouted, "I shot the unbeliever!" before he fled the scene. Reports are that the three-shot assassination style is that of the Turkish Hezbollah. How could a seventeen-year old teenager be so manipulated by nationalistic agitation as to commit a cold-blooded murder? Turkey has mourned the untimely death of Dink, editor of the Turkish-Armenian weekly journal Agos, and the loss of such an important voice for its political conscience. But how sincere was the public weeping for him? Before his death, he was treated by the media and politicians as a public enemy because of his comments about Turkish-Armenian relations and the massacres of Armenians during the First World War which he characterized as genocide. We cannot but suspect that for some Turkish politicians, the condemnation of Dink's assassination was motivated not by his death itself but by fear about the consequences of this atrocity for potential Turkish entry into the European Union. The murder reflected the toxic political atmosphere in Turkey. For a lot of journalists "paragraph 301" of the common law remains significant, in that it bans supposed insults to Turkish national identity. Even the Nobel Prize-winning Turkish author Orhan Pamuk was charged under this law, and Dink himself was prosecuted three times for insulting Turkishness. In fact, he received numerous death threats from Turkish nationalists who accused him of treason. Public prosecutor Kemal Kerincsiz must listen to the voices of those who blame his judicial career for the murder, since he charged Hrant Dink under the same law. Kerincisiz rejects any complicity in Dink's death and defends his action against Dink as well as this clause in the law which, in the present author's opinion, should be abolished for the sake of Turkish intellectual freedom. The killing of journalists has a dreadful history in Turkey. Abdi Ipekci and Ugur Mumcu were among the famous victims of aggression based on nationalist fantasies as well as religious intolerance. In fact, today, critics still live in great danger in Turkey. Sadly, the Turkish-Islamist construction of national identity diverts people from seeking the recovery of cultural and political pluralism in Turkey, a very great loss indeed. Many Turkish people paid their last respects to the Turkish-Armenian journalist who always supported dialogue between Armenians and Turks and who refused to leave Turkey even though he received threats. The slogans "We all are Hrant Dink" and "We all are Armenians" stand as evidence for Dink's high reputation as a prominent intellectual in Turkey. The impressive demonstrations express nothing less than the highest appreciation of Hrant Dink's commitment to freedom of opinion and democracy. Regrettably, however, Turkey must accept the reality that nationalist groups celebrated this unspeakable crime. They showed publicly that the nationalist image is more important to them than a human life. Acclaim for the murder of Hrant Dink showed that the Turkish propensity for extremism has changed, but that the bloody tradition persists. The nationalists saw Hrant Dink as a separatist, who risked the unity and alleged honor of the country. Important politicians like premiere Recep Tayyip Erdogan and President Ahmet Nedet Sezer were absent from the funeral. The political barriers were too high to be overcome. Other items on their agendas seemed more important for them. Erdogan thus indicated that the bullets which killed the 53-year old journalist and publisher were aimed at all Turkish citizens. Conspiracy theorists in Turkey very quickly argued that foreign influences are inflicting political harm on the country. Still, the people ask: why do dissidents fear for their lives? How could a seventeen-year old teenager be so manipulated by nationalistic agitation as to commit a cold-blooded murder? After his arrest he said that Dink described Turkish blood as unclean, and had to pay for it. The assassin came from the margins of the nationalist milieu, where teenagers are misused and dissidents are attacked. Other suspects were also arrested, as well they should be; there is certainly more behind the murder of Dink than a simple act by an enraged teenager. The claim that the crime was not political, which Turkish politicians want people to accept, has no ring of truth. The young assassin is a child of this nationalistic rhetoric that describes Turks as honest, hard-working and accomplished. But proof of such an identity cannot be found in Turkish society, or in its bloody history, even after the formation of the republic. What this will mean for Turkey's acceptance into the European Union remains to be seen; but the shots fired into Hrant Dink's head were certainly heard throughout the West. By Ali Sirin Source www.FamilySecurityMatters.org FamilySecurityMatters.org Contributing Editor Ali Sirin is a German journalist in the Alevi Muslim community. This text was translated by Hasan Canoglu and is distributed by the Center for Islamic Pluralism in Washington and London Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 RECURRENT VICTIM OF THE ARTICLE 301 ArmRadio.am 21.02.2007 14:47 The Public Prosecutor's Office of Turkey launched a case against a journalist of the Istanbul based Agos daily, the Deutschland Radio reports. Journalist Engin is accused of insulting the Turkish nation like it was the case with Hrant Dink. In the near future he will have to come to the Prosecutor's Office to give testimony. Engin said the reason of the persecution is his article published in Agos on January 5, where he referred to the violations of the rights of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 STAMP DEDICATED TO THE MEMORY OF HRANT DINK ISSUED IN FRANCE ArmRadio.am 21.02.2007 10:25 A stamp dedicated to the memory of the editor-in-chief of the Agos daily Hrant Dink has been issued in France. The stamp includes a mention of the day of assassination of Dink, instead of the seal it is written: "slain journalist," Turkish "Sabah" informs. On the left of the stamp issued by two Armenian citizens it is written "1.5 million +1" which symbolizes the number of the Armenian population massacred during the events of 1915 and Hrant Dink's death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 RECURRENT VICTIM OF THE ARTICLE 301 ArmRadio.am 21.02.2007 14:47 The Public Prosecutor's Office of Turkey launched a case against a journalist of the Istanbul based Agos daily, the Deutschland Radio reports. Journalist Engin is accused of insulting the Turkish nation like it was the case with Hrant Dink. In the near future he will have to come to the Prosecutor's Office to give testimony. Engin said the reason of the persecution is his article published in Agos on January 5, where he referred to the violations of the rights of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire. Gamavor@ jisht a asum eli !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 UNBELIEVABLE!! This after the assasination of Hrant Dink?!! Send this article to your Congressperson, pronto! RECURRENT VICTIM OF THE ARTICLE 301 ArmRadio.am 21.02.2007 14:47 The Public Prosecutor's Office of Turkey launched a case against a journalist of the Istanbul based Agos daily, the Deutschland Radio reports. Journalist Engin is accused of insulting the Turkish nation like it was the case with Hrant Dink. In the near future he will have to come to the Prosecutor's Office to give testimony. Engin said the reason of the persecution is his article published in Agos on January 5, where he referred to the violations of the rights of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Sisli Mayor accused of organization of Dink funeral with pro-Armenian slogans 23.02.2007 15:56 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian /PanARMENIAN.Net/ The prosecutor's office for Istanbul's Sisli district has launched an investigation into Sisli Mayor Mustafa Sarigül and the committee that organized the funeral for journalist Hrant Dink, the slain editor of the Turkish-Armenian weekly Agos, for the slogans “We are all Armenians”, “We are all Hrant Dink”, according to a report from Milliyet daily. A reporter for a local daily in the northern city of Sinop, Mete Cagdas, filed a complaint to the local prosecutor's office in Sinop. Cagdas's application accused Sisli Mayor Mustafa Sarigül and the funeral organizers of turning the atmosphere at the funeral into one for a fallen "militant," a term used subjectively in this case to discredit the legitimacy of the protests. According to Milliyet's report, the chief prosecutor's office in Sinop had no jurisdiction in the case and relayed the file to the Sisli chief prosecutor's office in late January. Sisli prosecutors launched an investigation which might end up in a law suit against the organizers or in dismissal. In either case, the Sisli office will have to make a statement clarifying its opinion of the funeral slogans. Hrant Dink was shot dead in Istanbul January 19. About 100 thousand people, who were carrying slogans “We are all Armenians”, “We are all Hrant Dink”, attended his funeral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Ninth suspect in Dink murder arrested 23.02.2007 18:31 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian /PanARMENIAN.Net/ Today Istanbul Court decreed on arrest of Veysel Toprak, a ninth suspect in the murder of Hrant Dink, the editor of Agos Armenian-Turkish newspaper. It’s not clear yet what kind of accusation were brought against him. Turkish media represents Toprak as a close friend to another suspect, Yasin Hayal, reports the RFE/RL. Hrant Dink was shot dead outside his newspaper premises January 19. All suspects arrested are nationalists from Trabzon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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