Assassination Of Hrant Dink

[Hellektor]

Killing this ***** or that is an act of vengeance - not an "act of justice"! Same for Tehlirian killing Talaat.

 

...Raze me all you like - I stand and will stand by what I say. Journalist or mass-murderer, all murder is equal. It might not be the same, but it is equal.

I suggest you get a copy of Կտակն էր նահատակներու and read it.

 

Shutting the fuck up, for economic interests among others, and turning a blind eye to the worst monstrosity ever happened in human history should entail much more heavy handed retaliation from the hands of the victims whose cries are still not heard.

 

Somehow killing one person is a greater crime than exterminating an entire nation.

 

P.S. Every state that has committed genocide has got away with it whether it was recognized or not. That's why I always put the rhetorical question why shouldn't we? If we nailed all the Turks to the ground and plucked their flesh with pliers and chopped and crushed their bones with hammers and axes, it still wouldn't compensate for 0.000001% of what they did to us for a thousand years. Of course we wouldn't do it because we are not barbarians. I'm just suggesting if we did such a thing, it would be forgotten in 90 years time and we could get on with our lives as if nothing happened. Hey, we might even get the license to enter Faggotland!

 

[Hellektor]

Like it or not, Hitler was as human as Gandhi.

Like it or not, I am as human as both of them and humans are not machines, they have feelings.

 

The շանսատակing of those monsters* gives me a good feeling like it or not, and proves to me that we Armenians can also be fierce when the time comes because the chickenshit Turks who kill when one is sleeping, had made us believe that we were rags for the most worthless garbage in the universe to wipe their stinking cloven hoofs on us in our own home. I am proud, like it or not, of Tehlirian, Shirakian, Yerkanian and the great Shahan Nataly who saw his father murdered during the Hamidian genocide and organized the whole thing.

 

It's not just about vengeance, it's more about punishment when impunity has allowed the Turks to commit acts of genocide during 1988 - 1994 in Sumgait, Baku, Gandzak, Maragha (the sawing off of heads of Armenians and the scorching of their bodies), Shahoomian, the "Ring" operation, Shushi, Karintak, Shamkhor, Getashen, Hadrut, Shamakhi, the hostages in Khojaly (and the mutilation of their corpses), Nakhijevan, etc. not to speak of aerial bombardments and shelling of Artsakh.

 

*Dear Four o Four I love beasts please do not insult them

 

[Iranpour]

Like it or not, I am as human as both of them and humans are not machines, they have feelings.

 

The շանսատակing of those monsters* gives me a good feeling like it or not, and proves to me that we Armenians can also be fierce when the time comes because the chickenshit Turks who kill when one is sleeping, had made us believe that we were rags for the most worthless garbage in the universe to wipe their stinking cloven hoofs on us in our own home. I am proud, like it or not, of Tehlirian, Shirakian, Yerkanian and the great Shahan Nataly who saw his father murdered during the Hamidian genocide and organized the whole thing.

 

It's not just about vengeance, it's more about punishment when impunity has allowed the Turks to commit acts of genocide during 1988 - 1994 in Sumgait, Baku, Gandzak, Maragha (the sawing off of heads of Armenians and the scorching of their bodies), Shahoomian, the "Ring" operation, Shushi, Karintak, Shamkhor, Getashen, Hadrut, Shamakhi, the hostages in Khojaly (and the mutilation of their corpses), Nakhijevan, etc. not to speak of aerial bombardments and shelling of Artsakh.

 

*Dear Four o Four I love beasts please do not insult them

 

It is a shame that Hrant Dink, a pacifist, was killed in such a brutal manner. But what else can you expect? There is not a shred of doubt in my mind the Turkish government was complicit in this heinous crime. And did you see how Turkish police were having their pictures taken with the assasin, holding up a Turkish flag?

 

Turkey is taking advantage of the support she receives from Israel and the USA, add to that Azerbaijan and Central Asia's Turkic states. America and Israel, however, is where Turkey gets most of her military support. Turkey exploits its unholy alliance with America and Israel, not to mention its NATO membership. Russians, although technically allies of Armenia, are careful not to tread on Turkish toes too much. You see, Russia depends on her warm ports on the Black Sea for trade and commerce, and unfortunately Turks have full control of the Bosphorus and Dardanelles, meaning no Russian vessel can have access to the Mediterranean and the outside world without going through Turkish territory. Turkey plays this card very well, trying to keep Russia at bay. It is also a known fact that even though the Cold War is over on paper, US-Russian rivalry still exists, and it is a known fact that America still has a listening station in Sinop, Turkey, trying to keep tabs on the Russkies.

 

[Stormig]

Basement vegetables.

[zurderer]

and untrue too. Turkey cannot interfere any trade ships who travel from Bosphorus. She only can limit military ships.

 

[neko]

and untrue too. Turkey cannot interfere any trade ships who travel from Bosphorus. She only can limit military ships.

 

Access through the Bosphorus straits is governed by various international treaties. The main one was up for renewal a few years ago and maybe it has changed - but under the old version Turkey could not refuse access to any shipping, commercial or military, belonging to a country she is not at war with.

[MosJan]

Hrant Dink archive to be built in Congress library

12.02.2007 13:54 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian

 

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ A Hrant Dink archive is supposed to be built in the National Library of the Congress, says the Armenian Reporter. According to Levon Avdoyan, Ph.D., Armenian and Georgian Area Specialist of the Near East Section, the archive will be meant for future scholars, to leave them the primary tools they will need to analyze important events of our days. “I firmly believe that the assassination of Hrant Dink is one of these events, and I would like to create an archive of hard copy materials – newspapers, broadsides, official pronouncements – that we will keep at the Library of Congress as a collection. I would also like to stress that I am interested in everything related to the Dink assassination: from the texts of speeches, to memorial booklets from churches and elsewhere, to photographs, etc,” he said.

 

[Stormig]

Please be reminded that those who have in one way or another had anything to do with Dink in the past and who continue to write about him in their public commentaries receive threats themselves. These are Etyen Mahcupyan, Baskin Oran, and now Can Dundar http://www.candundar.com.tr/index.php ... Can Dundar's TV programme had been the last one Dink had participated in. Can Dundar has also continued to write about the aftermath of Dink's assassination. Note these names well. And of course there are Orhan Pamuk, Elif Safak, and Taner Akcam. Have I missed out on anyone else?

[zurderer]

Access through the Bosphorus straits is governed by various international treaties. The main one was up for renewal a few years ago and maybe it has changed - but under the old version Turkey could not refuse access to any shipping, commercial or military, belonging to a country she is not at war with.

 

Exactly, that is why I used limit and agreement did not changed. Infact I am sure If Turkey try to change that agreement, a big crise will rise between Turkey and half of world(Not only countries which have coast at blacksea).

[Stormig]

By the way, take the discussion about the Montreaux Convention, which like the Treaty of Guarantee should be done away with, elsewhere.

[MosJan]

GUL BACKS CHANGE OF ‘TURKISHNESS’ CLAUSE

 

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Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul on Monday backed the amendment of Turkey's controversial article 301, used to prosecute intellectuals including Nobel Prize-winning novelist Orhan Pamuk and an ethnic Armenian journalist who was later shot dead. "I want this article amended because it puts a shadow on Turkey's reform process," Gul said at a joint news conference with visiting Australian Foreign Minister Alexander Downer. "It is damaging Turkey's image. It is portraying Turkey as a country where hundreds of journalists and intellectuals are jailed for their speeches. This is wrong." Gul's remarks came days after a group of trade unions and other non-governmental organizations proposed a new wording to the article, which makes insults to the Turkish state or its people a crime. The groups said the new wording would set clearer limits to what constitutes insult and what is legitimate criticism. Some non-governmental organizations were demanding scrapping the law completely, but Gul made clear the government favored amending it. "We want everyone to freely express their thoughts as long they don't incite violence or amount to insult," Gul said. "These cannot be allowed. They are not allowed anywhere else." Nobel Prize-winning novelist Orhan Pamuk and murdered journalist Hrant Dink were both prosecuted under the broad law criminalizing the denigration of "Turkishness." Both had spoken out about the mass killings of Armenians in the early 20th century. Numerous other writers, journalists and academics have also been prosecuted. Dink, the editor of the minority Agos newspaper, was shot dead outside his Istanbul office on Jan. 19 and his murder revived a debate about the law. Many said his prosecution under article 301 had made him a target for ultranationalist groups. On Saturday, police detained two men on suspicions that they were planning to hold up an Istanbul ferry to protest the fact that pro-Armenian slogans had been chanted at Dink’s funeral. An Istanbul court ordered the two men released after questioning, saying there was not enough evidence to charge them. Acting on a tip, police detained the two men at the city's entrance Saturday, a police official said. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of rules that bar civil servants from speaking to reporters without prior authorization. Police said the two men - from the eastern city of Igdir, near the borders with Iran and Armenia - allegedly planned to hijack a ferry sailing between the Asian and European shores of the Bosporus, copying a ferry hijacking last month in the Dardanelles strait, police said. That hijacker had threatened to blow the ferry up in protesting the pro-American slogans. He had been carrying a gun, but no explosives, and after about 2½ hours surrendered to police. No passengers were harmed. As the two men detained Saturday left the courthouse, they shouted: "Turks have no other friends but Turks!" the state-run Anatolia news agency reported. Dink’s funeral inspired a massive outpouring of support for reconciliation between Armenians and Turks, with thousands chanting "We're all Armenians." Nationalists however, were angered by the pro-Armenian slogans.

* AP

 

[Aubépine]

Exactly, that is why I used limit and agreement did not changed. Infact I am sure If Turkey try to change that agreement, a big crise will rise between Turkey and half of world(Not only countries which have coast at blacksea).

 

The Istanbul and Çanakkale Straits are considered international waters, but given how narrow they are and that large oil tankers are passing through the middle of a city, I don't know if it is such a good idea. Nevertheless you can't change international treaties singlehandedly.

[LSergiu]

The ******** and ********* Straits are considered international waters, but given how narrow they are and that large oil tankers are passing through the middle of a city, I don't know if it is such a good idea.

 

Don't worry, because the biggest harm has already been done to the city of Constantinople. It's already occupied/inhabited by turks. No amount of oil tankers could possibly do more harm than that.

[Aubépine]

Some things are just not reversible. You do have a point though I admit.

[Aubépine]

Let those who have lost Constantinople grieve for it. Asterisks won't hide the bitter truth.

[neko]

Some things are just not reversible.

Things like LSergiu's bad attitude.

 

[Aubépine]

Don't worry. He'll find his way around eventually.

[MosJan]

Anxiety Grips Turkish Intellectuals After Dink Murder

 

By Burak Akinci, Agence France Presse

 

Hated by ultranationalist groups for their dissident views, liberal Turkish intellectuals have grown even more anxious due to increasing threats and hate mail following the murder of ethnic Armenian journalist Hrant Dink.

 

Speculation has been rife here that Orhan Pamuk, the winner of the 2006 Nobel Literature Prize, has fled the country over security concerns ever since he left for New York last month to teach at Columbia University, where he is a fellow. Pamuk has chosen to remain silent over his departure which came two weeks after Dink, 52, was gunned down outside the offices of his weekly newspaper in Istanbul by a 17-year-old suspected nationalist.

 

The novelist's close friends and publishers in Turkey deny claims that he has fled or gone into a temporary exile after receiving threats, similar to those sent to Dink before his killing. "He did not escape from Turkey, there was nothing extraordinary in his departure and he will be back," a close colleague said on condition of anonymity.

 

Dink had become a hate figure for describing as genocide the 1915-1917 massacres of Armenians under the Ottoman Empire and had been given a six-month suspended sentence under a controversial penal code article which penalizes insulting "Turkishness". Like Dink, Pamuk had also been tried under the same article for contesting the official state line on the World War I massacres which categorically denies they constituted genocide.

 

The case was dropped on a technicality but turned Pamuk into a "traitor" for ultra-nationalists. One of the eight men charged over Dink's murder warned Pamuk to watch out and "come to his senses" while he was being brought to court last month. Pamuk is among more than a dozen intellectuals and journalists who were assigned bodyguards not long after Dink's murder.

 

Another one is Baskin Oran, a professor of political sciences and author of a controversial government-sponsored report in 2004 which made radical recommendations to the government to improve the rights of the restive Kurdish community and non-Muslim minorities. The report was branded treasonous by nationalists, disowned by the government and led to Oran facing charges of insulting the Turkish judiciary of which he was acquitted.

 

Oran, who has been receiving threats since then, wrote in a recent newspaper column that there was a "culture of lynching" in Turkey and argued that the state had to protect its citizens without waiting for them to request protection. "Did I ask for protection? No. I do not demand it, it is the state's principal duty," said the academician who recently filed a complaint over the threats he received.

 

"The prosecutor summoned me and asked whether it would be possible for me to reconcile with those who threaten me. I said no," he wrote.

 

Erol Onderoglu, the representative in Istanbul of media rights watchdog Reporters Without Borders, said that police, already under fire for their handling of the Dink case, finally assigned protection to intellectuals so as not to face any more embarrassment. Turkish newspapers have accused police of receiving intelligence last year of a plot to kill Dink, but failing to act on it, while a video leaked to the media two weeks ago showed security forces posing with Dink's alleged assailant for "souvenir pictures" shortly after his capture.

 

"When police are able to put thousands of officers on duty at football matches, could they not also assign bodyguards to these intellectuals," said Onderoglu, who described the threats against intellectuals not as isolated acts but an organized campaign.

 

Since Dink's killing, a group of 10 non-governmental organizations have presented a proposal to amend the penal code article -- under which Dink was convicted -- in order to limit its scope and boost freedom of expression. Facing both presidential and general elections this year amid a rising wave of nationalism, the government has yet to give its view on the proposal to change the article.

[Stormig]

Let those who have lost Constantinople grieve for it. Asterisks won't hide the bitter truth.

Yes, had I not known better I would have thought they must be one of them Turco-barbarians to censor like that... Funny, that.

[LSergiu]

The asterisks were meant to prevent infecting this forum with t*rkish words.

And those who lost Constantionple will someday reclaim it. We all have lost it. We all will reclaim it.

[Stormig]

The asterisks were meant to prevent infecting this forum with t*rkish words.

And those who lost Constantionple will someday reclaim it. We all have lost it. We all will reclaim it.

Best of luck to you! Especially since you seem to live in the age of the Old Testament.

[LSergiu]

Then you are certainly living in the future, or rather your own version of future.

[Yervant1]

Is this thread still about Hrant Dink?

[MosJan]

i'm afraid not - it has become a pissing contest

 

 

[MosJan]

ORDER TO KILL HRANT DINK GIVEN BY CHIEF OF TRABZON POLICE DEPARTMENT

 

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The investigation of Hrant Dink’s murder is becoming more and more large-scale. More and more facts are becoming revealed, mostly due to the evidence of Yasin Hayal, detained under suspicion of ordering the murder. As it is known Hayal, knowing that Tuncel was an informer of the Tarpizon police, changed his evidence on February 9 and stated that Tuncel was the organizer of the crime and that he had received the order to kill Dink immediately from him. He also stated that in prison he was aided by Yasar Cihan, head of "Great Unity" party Trabzon office, and given $750 for the organization of the explosion at the "McDonald’s" café. Taking into consideration this new revelation by Hayal, the General Prosecutor’s office roused a new criminal investigation against the "Great Unity" party.

 

Meanwhile, as "Vatan" newspaper reports, Hayal gave new evidence. This time a new investigation is roused by the demand of Hayal’s lawyer Fatih Cakr, basing upon Hayal’s new statement that the organizer of the murder of Hrant Dink was the head of anti-terrorism department of the Trabzon police.

 

The aforementioned department chief is Yahya Ozturk, of whom Fatih Cakr’s petition says the following: "Charged Erhan Tuncel passed Yasin Hayal these words of Yahya Ozturk, head of anti-terrorism department of the Trabzon police, ‘Our national Flag has been defamed. The mission of recovering its dignity is laid upon Erhan and Yasin’. These words were taken as background for murdering Hrant Dink ".

 

Getting out of the Court Hall, Cakr said to the reports, "Me as an attorney of Yasin Hayal, after a conversation with him at the place of detention represented his statements to the Prosecutor’s Office. Some are trying to mess up Trabzon on purpose. Erhan Tuncel uses the youth in order to reach his aim. I shall fight against him till the end."

* By H. Chaqrian