Dave Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 Turkey asks Azerbaijan to explain alleged mistreatment of ethnic Armenian musician The Associated Press Published: December 26, 2006 ANKARA, Turkey: Turkey has asked its close ally Azerbaijan for information on the alleged mistreatment and expelling of a Turkish musician who is of Armenian descent, a Foreign Ministry official said Tuesday. Murat Bedikyan — a pianist with Eurovision song contest winner Sertap Erener's band — accused officials in Azerbaijan of mistreating him and unfairly ousting him from the country on arrival for a concert over the weekend. Bedikyan was forced to return to Istanbul and could not join his band. He insisted he was singled out and mistreated despite his Turkish citizenship, because he is a member of Turkey's minority Armenian community. Turkey had formally requested information on Bedikyan's allegations from Azerbaijan's Foreign Ministry, according to a Turkish Foreign Ministry official, speaking on condition of anonymity because of rules that bar civil servants from speaking to journalists without prior authorization. A similar request had been made with the Azerbaijani Embassy in Ankara, the official said. The ex-Soviet republics of Azerbaijan and Armenia are at loggerheads over the mountainous region of Nagorno Karabakh in Azerbaijan that has been under the control of Armenian and ethnic-Armenian forces since a 1994 cease-fire. The six-year separatist conflict killed about 30,000 people and drove about 1 million from their homes, including many of the region's ethnic Azeris. The region's final status remains unresolved and years of talks under the auspices of international mediators have brought few visible results Turkey has close ties to Azerbaijan, with which it shares an ethnic and linguistic heritage. It refuses to have diplomatic relations with Armenia because of Yerevan's unresolved conflict with Azerbaijan. Relations are further complicated over the World War I-era killings of Armenians. Armenians say that Ottoman Turks slaughtered 1.5 million Armenians in a planned genocide. Turkey vehemently denies that the mass killings were genocide, saying the death toll is inflated and Armenians were killed in civil unrest as the Ottoman Empire collapsed. http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/12/26/...an_Musician.php _________________ What a racist country! Azerbaijan ousted this musician despite his Turkish citizenship. I doubt Turkey would do anything about it either. Even the article talks of mere "allegations". I remember that a similar thing happened when a Bulgarian-Armenian sports commentator tried to go to Azerbaijan to assist a match between Azerbaijan and Bulgaria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 I doubt Turkey would do anything about it either. Even the article talks of mere "allegations". sorry, what should we do? open war? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neko Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 sorry, what should we do? open war? In the relationships between Turkey and Azerbaijan, Azerbaijan is the senior partner and the tail wags the dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubépine Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 Azerbaijan has a virtual veto power over Turkey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 should we harm our relation with Azeris because of an armenian turkish citizen? We are not doing for any turks, why should we do for armenians? Turkey reply is enough for what azeris did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 should we harm our relation with Azeris because of an armenian turkish citizen? We are not doing for any turks, why should we do for armenians? Turkey reply is enough for what azeris did. Get Lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenak Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 should we harm our relation with Azeris because of an armenian turkish citizen? We are not doing for any turks, why should we do for armenians? Turkey reply is enough for what azeris did. http://www.frymybacon.com/media/images/articles/article_0105_01.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 should we harm our relation with Azeris because of an armenian turkish citizen? We are not doing for any turks, why should we do for armenians? Turkey reply is enough for what azeris did. Zurderer, the ethnic background of this TURKISH citizen should not matter and particularly when it comes to defending the rights of its own citizens, Turkey should NOT pay attention by its CONSTITUTION (correct?)about ethnic origin of its citizens. Are you saying there is discrimination in Turkey based on ethnic origin/religion/language etc? I always thought Turkey was a model democracy in the Middle East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Zurderer, the ethnic background of this TURKISH citizen should not matter and particularly when it comes to defending the rights of its own citizens, Turkey should NOT pay attention by its CONSTITUTION (correct?)about ethnic origin of its citizens. Are you saying there is discrimination in Turkey based on ethnic origin/religion/language etc? I always thought Turkey was a model democracy in the Middle East. It means that by the above account, Turkey did what had to be done for any citizen - not more, not less. It would have been worse if Turkish officials did nothing and turned a blind eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 OOPS! Turkey's well-crafted public relations campaign is failing to conceal the true face of Turkey as is related to its minorities, just like when the true face of the Phantom of the Opera was revealed. Zurderer, the ethnic background of this TURKISH citizen should not matter and particularly when it comes to defending the rights of its own citizens, Turkey should NOT pay attention by its CONSTITUTION (correct?)about ethnic origin of its citizens. Are you saying there is discrimination in Turkey based on ethnic origin/religion/language etc? I always thought Turkey was a model democracy in the Middle East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Yes yes yes yes, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubépine Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 OOPS! Turkey's well-crafted public relations campaign is failing to conceal the true face of Turkey as is related to its minorities, just like when the true face of the Phantom of the Opera was revealed. That's right. They sent those notes for appearance sake (EU aspirations, etc.) than out of conviction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 http://www.frymybacon.com/media/images/articles/article_0105_01.jpg Borat's Kazakhstan sounds friendlier than Azerbaijan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Zurderer, the ethnic background of this TURKISH citizen should not matter and particularly when it comes to defending the rights of its own citizens, Turkey should NOT pay attention by its CONSTITUTION (correct?)about ethnic origin of its citizens. Are you saying there is discrimination in Turkey based on ethnic origin/religion/language etc? I always thought Turkey was a model democracy in the Middle East. So that is excatly what Turkey did. what should she do more than 2 notes? We are not even doing such things for our turkish backgrouned citizens. That's right. They sent those notes for appearance sake (EU aspirations, etc.) than out of conviction. Yes, after all EU cares much for this things. I am sure every european now talks about this notes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johannes Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Դաւիթի մէջբերած «The Associated Press» -ի յաղորդումը մակերեսային եւ ճապաղ պատկերացումն է՝ Արցախի ազատութեան դրուագին: Այս յաղորդումը եւ խնդրոյ ենթակայ հայը՝ 3,99 $ դոլարի չեմ գներ: Ինչու՞, որովհետեւ եթէ «ազեր» կոչուողներն ընդունէին այդ պորտախաղ թրքուհիի նուագածուին, եւ մերոնք քննադատէին այդ հայը, որ անտես անելով մեր դատը մեր նահատակները, կը զուարճացնէ թուրքեր, այն պահին ան, այսինքն այդ հայը, պիտի ընդվզէր եւ պիտի ասէր որ ինքը, խտրութիւն չի դնում հայի եւ թուրքի միջեւ, եւ ինքը իր գործն է անում: Հիմա, հերթական անգամ երբ թուրքեր իրենց դիմագիծը պարզեցին, թերահաւատ հայեր, կրաւորական հայեր եւ անզգայ հայեր, գուցէ սթափին: Արդիօք պէտք ունի՞նք մի նոր Ցեղասպանութեան, հասկանալու համար թէ՝ ինչ ինչ է: Ոչխար ժողովուրդ: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neko Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Azerbaijan has a virtual veto power over Turkey. I wish I could think of another saying with the equivalent of "tail wags the dog" - something that has the same meaning, since the use of the word dog could be implied as an insult (though at least it's not "tail shakes the donkey"!) Is there an equivalent saying in Turkish, Aubépine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubépine Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 There is a very fitting one. "Kuyruğunu bacakları arasına almak." Put (or hide) your tail between your legs. It can mean many things depending on your interpretation. Take your pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 the Old Armenia saying is - կարմիր կովը իր կաշին չի պոխի - wich also has a moden verisin that has been translated by Our GAmavor - թուրքը մնում ե թուրք իսկ ամենալավ թուրքը ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Like Johannes said, that guy deserves it. I could probably understand him being pianist in Turkey. But traveling to Azerbaijan to entertain them just when Armenia is in war with that country? No he is not an armenian. He is natural born turk. And he has got what he deserves. Cesar said once: "I love treason but I hate traitors" Right zurderer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hosank Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 well, he is still armenian, trying to make a living, trying to show that he has no hard feelings. now zuruder, im sure the turkish government would have been very pissed off if one of it's ethnic turkish citizens were not allowed into any country in europe. then turkey would create a huge scandal and boycott european products and so on, you know, the usual. why would they not react here? because an ethnic turk would be allowed into azerbaijan anyways. Ազերին թուրքիո բոզ նա Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nvard Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 he deserves it. 100% no respect for someone who,being an armenian, represents the unholy fascist country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurocentric Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 he deserves it. 100% no respect for someone who,being an armenian, represents the unholy fascist country Didn't you know? Most bolsahyes are supposed to be neutral... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubépine Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 he deserves it. 100% no respect for someone who,being an armenian, represents the unholy fascist country So accordingly, you would act in the same way towards your compatriot as the Azeris, hence your justification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johannes Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Azeris damaged an armenians’ honor. Nvard heart became damaged, because of azer act against an armenian. Who are you Aubepine? Are you a french catholic missionary there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 that guy deserves it. I could probably understand him being pianist in Turkey. But traveling to Azerbaijan to entertain them just when Armenia is in war with that country? maybe you are right, but historically Turks harmed ROA and armenians much more than azeris. So I think, If It is crime to entertain azeris, It is crime to entertain turks too. what do you think about armenians(not bolsohays but roa armenians.) who work at turkey? No he is not an armenian. He is natural born turk. And he has got what he deserves. are roa armenians also borned as Turk? I should also add, If he was Turk, he would not got it. Cesar said once: "I love treason but I hate traitors" Right zurderer? I agree with cesar words, but I am not agree with your idea about traitorship. so will you call an armenian doctor traitor, If he help an azeri? ow zuruder, im sure the turkish government would have been very pissed off if one of it's ethnic turkish citizens were not allowed into any country in europe. then turkey would create a huge scandal and boycott european products and so on, you know, the usual. Not excatly, It happened before and most of European countries or USA get less protest (From goverment.)than azeris. Infact what Turkey did for this armenian turkey citizen is more than what she did for turk turkey citizen. Not I am totally against this, but Turkey should do this secretly. No need to harm azeris. why would they not react here? because an ethnic turk would be allowed into azerbaijan anyways. Ազերին թուրքիո բոզ նա I am not sure what would they do If an ethnic turk is banished to enter azerbaijan. I dont think we would give double note. I think you have much good idea about Turkish goverment than me. I am not aware of her great interest about turkish citizens. Didn't you know? Most bolsahyes are supposed to be neutral... why dont you come to Turkey and show your enemity to turks? It is easy to talk at USA, do it inside of 15.000.000 turk, than you may have right to accuse bolsohays. Are you a french catholic missionary there? That is interesting, You did not like what he write, and you called him as french. You should call him as turk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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