Sarduri Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 there are maybe lots of reasons why armenians call themselves hay. me, personaly, i think its from the urartu war god haydi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionHeart Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 there are maybe lots of reasons why armenians call themselves hay. me, personaly, i think its from the urartu war god haydi. That's actually the official version of the Armenian Soviet Encyclopedia. I think it's a good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarduri Posted August 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 its not only a good one , my theory is probably the most correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 its not only a good one , my theory is probably the most correct. Love that! Do you mind if I use that line sometimes myself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarduri Posted August 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 be my guest!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 Love that! Do you mind if I use that line sometimes myself? Henceforth this line, its not only a good one , my theory is probably the most correct. Will be known as the Sarduri Line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarduri Posted August 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 what do u guys think hayastan was named after? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emil Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 "The original Armenian name for the country was Hayq, later Hayastan, translated as the land of Haik, and consisting of the name Haik and the Sanskrit suffix '-stan' (land). According to legend, Haik was a great-great-grandson of Noah (son of Togarmah, who was a son of Gomer, a son of Noah's son, Yafet), and according to tradition, a forefather of all Armenians. Mount Ararat, a sacred mountain for the Armenian people, rising in the center of the Armenian Highland as its highest peak, is traditionally considered the landing place of Noah's Ark. The name Armenia was given to the country by the surrounding states, as it was the name of the strongest tribe living in the historic Armenian lands, who called themselves Armens. It is traditionally derived from Armenak or Aram (the great-grandson of Haik's great-grandson, and another leader who is, according to Armenian tradition, the ancestor of all Armenians)." From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Armenia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 Henceforth this line, its not only a good one , my theory is probably the most correct. Will be known as the Sarduri Line. Sarduri's declaration... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarduri Posted August 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 "The original Armenian name for the country was Hayq, later Hayastan, translated as the land of Haik, and consisting of the name Haik and the Sanskrit suffix '-stan' (land). According to legend, Haik was a great-great-grandson of Noah (son of Togarmah, who was a son of Gomer, a son of Noah's son, Yafet), and according to tradition, a forefather of all Armenians. Mount Ararat, a sacred mountain for the Armenian people, rising in the center of the Armenian Highland as its highest peak, is traditionally considered the landing place of Noah's Ark. The name Armenia was given to the country by the surrounding states, as it was the name of the strongest tribe living in the historic Armenian lands, who called themselves Armens. It is traditionally derived from Armenak or Aram (the great-grandson of Haik's great-grandson, and another leader who is, according to Armenian tradition, the ancestor of all Armenians)." From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Armenia thats not science or history, its legend! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarduri Posted August 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 the name of the urartu god was haldi. but in those days, "l" stood for "y". so haydi=hayastan. the turks think urartus were thier own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 the name of the urartu god was haldi. but in those days, "l" stood for "y". so haydi=hayastan. why would "l" stand for "y"? are you saying all urartian were "tlik"? btw, is the turkish word "hayde" come from the same origin? how about franz haydn? is he urartian too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarduri Posted August 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 why would "l" stand for "y"? are you saying all urartian were "tlik"? thats how the languige was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 what do you mean? they were using roman letters and they just wrote "l" to sound like "y"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurocentric Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Son of Argishti, that's just one of the theories among many others and one that I find very unlikely. You don't think it's more reasonable to assume that the name is derived from Hayassa? From the Behistun inscription regarding Nebuchadnezzar IV (Arakha): "Darius the King says: While I was in Persia and Media, again a second time the Babylonians became rebellious from me. One man named Arakha, an Armenian, son of Haldita -- he rose up in Babylon. A district named Dubala -- from there he thus lied to the people: "I am Nebuchadrezzar the son of Nabonidus." Thereupon the Babylonian people became rebellious from me, (and) went over to that Arakha. He seized Babylon; he became king in Babylon. " It's interesting that in the 6th century there was an Armenian with the name Haldita. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarduri Posted August 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 first of all the letter l was just a symbol that time that stood for y, second no, why would armenians just ranomly name them selves after a tribe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellektor Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 The name Hyastan probably comes from the name of the Hyasa tribe. Also do a research on the Sumerian god Haya Enki who if I'm not mistaken is considered an ancestor of Hyke (Haik). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionHeart Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Harut, the reason that Hayk and Xald could easily be the same is because in Armenian, "l" and "y" are often interchangable. For example, the word "galis em" in some dialects is "kayis em." Same with H and X--Vanetsis sometimes say "Xayk" instead of "Hayk" even today. The Urartuans could be speaking one such dialect of ancient Armenian, and their god's name could have passed to other Armenian dialects. Lehman Haupt showed that that Urartuans called themselves sons of Khald. Prof. Meschannikov was the one suggesting that Hayk is Xald. In that case, the self-name of Armenians becomes exactly as Khorenatsi described--they identified themselves with their god/patriarch, called themselves sons of Xald/Hayk, and that's the name that they ended up collectively applying to themselves. The Behistun inscription could be saying that the particular person was son of Xald--i.e. "Son of Hayk," meaning Armenian. Remember what medieval Armenian historians called all Armenians--Haykazun, i.e. "son of Hayk." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 thank you lionheart for the explanation... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Ըստ հին Հայկական Դիցաբանության Հայ & Հայաստան նշանակում Է ՀԱՅ = Հուր + Արեգակ + Յարեալ = Աստվածամարդ Հայաստան = Աստվածների բնօրրան Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionHeart Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Ըստ հին Հայկական Դիցաբանության Հայ & Հայաստան նշանակում Է ՀԱՅ = Հուր + Արեգակ + Յարեալ = Աստվածամարդ Հայաստան = Աստվածների բնօրրան Where did you get that info, Mosjan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Hye Uxtagir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HyeFedayis Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Well the Armenian tribes that formed Armenians Hayasa + Armens = Armenia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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