Turks Will Never Liberate Our Lands

[Hellektor]

i have been to armenia already and am returning next year.

i have thought alot about this...

when turkey gives us our lands back...do we really want them back?

hell i would love to have our lands back but i dont want three million turks be part of armenia. sure if we forcebly throw them out like in gaza....but if not, half the population will go moslem and then our whole countrey and culture will go donw the drain.

and if they give it back, whos gonna live there?

 

anyways tell me what you think

Dear vava,

 

I apologize for my non-hyeforum worthy language.

However, you should have left the thread open and a complaint addressed to me would have sufficed.

 

 

Dear irlandahay,

 

Turkey, i.e. pan-Turkism has never tolerated and will never tolerate the existence of an Armenia.

The "founding" of the fake mini-Ottoman state north of the Arax and on historic Armenian territory in 1918 and the present day unilateral, illegal blockade are just a couple of examples to prove this, not to mention the Armenian Genocide and thousand years of monstrosity against us.

 

Our most important issue is Artsakh. We have liberated 2% of our 90%+ Turkish occupied territories. See how they just can't stand it and are doing everything they can, with a little help from their Khazar brethren, to take it "back" from us although they don't even need Artsakh.

 

We Armenians should insist on our rights which gives us some 40 to 45% of our homeland back. It was legally ceded to us according to the treaty of Sèvres (what you see in my avatar) and the murderous loser, the Ottoman Tyranny and the victorious nations plus Armenia have signed it.

 

The reason we need our land is because the area recognized as Armenia gives us access to the Black Sea. Therefore, we will be less prone to suffer from treacherous embargos imposed on us by our bloodthirsty "neighbors".

 

It will also separate the two cancerous growths in the region, which were artificially linked to one another according to the treaties of Kars/Moscow in 1921, when the diabolical Jew-Tatar Lenin and the genocidal Jew-Tatar Kemal had a passionately bestial copulation and an area the size of today's Republic of Armenia was given to the Turks just like that.

Our beautiful Ani was part of the package that included Kars, Ardahan, Ardvin and Surmalu, never a part of the Ottoman Tyranny and where our most precious symbol, Mount Ararat is situated. They gave Nakhijevan, to provide a 14 km border with Turkey, and Artsakh to the bogus "nation" to the east.

 

Just think of all the destruction that has been done to these regions that could have been avoided had the Armenian hating Bolshevik leadership been a little less treacherous.

 

That's why we need to liberate at least that part of Armenia that we have the deeds for, in order to crush pan-Turkism and have the possibility to grow economically.

 

The treaty of Sèvres envisages an autonomous Kurdistan albeit on Armenian territory, south of Armenia. I believe when the treaty is enforced, it can be arranged for the Kurds to migrate southwards, keeping in mind that the Kurdistan of Iraq will be a fact at that time. Of course, an Armenia with 20 million Muslim and 3 million Armenian population will be as absurd as an "Azerbaijan" north of the Arax.

 

Although this may sound like a dream, it is perfectly legal and just.

After recognition comes retribution. Do you think a simple "recognition" of the Armenian Genocide will do away with all the suffering we went trough the last thousand years?

[vava]

Dear vava,

 

I apologize for my non-hyeforum worthy language.

However, you should have left the thread open and a complaint addressed to me would have sufficed.

 

My comment wasn't directed at you specifically - the whole thread, english, french, etc. was quite simply a flame fest. I personally am not a fan of warnings/bannings, and would rather prefer to prevent the behaviour that leads up to such actions. I hope you understand.

[irlandahay]

thank you for the answer,,,lol it took a while to get a good one.

 

but ya, i totally agree with you, but the problem is, its been ninety years.

if you were watching the news last summer, the people living the gaza area had only been there some 20-30 years. and already they were crying and going crazy.

i personally believe all of this israel palestine bull cr*p should go to the jews.

but the point is, imagine after ninety years, were gonna see alot of sobbing, alot of: my grandfather built this house!(of course ignoring the fact that he built it after dea

capitating, raping and murdering its former residence but nonetheless), if it happens tho, aarmenia will look like tyrants.

 

im not sure if your american or canadian but, if you are any of those, do you watch cnn?

they have this program called places that dont really exist, its about unofficial countreys.

guess wich one they covered? Nagorno karabakh.

they interviewed the armenians living there. it was a good show except for at the end.

 

the moron said: the war was terrible and something like that then he said: once the armenians invaded, thousands of azeri refugees left out of fear, imagine all the horrible things that must have happened here.

in other words, he was saying that they left because the armenians were commiting atrocities.

and that is the reason that there are only armenians left.

hes so stupid, he forgot that it was always populated by armenians and it was part of armenia, and that it was the azeris that were commiting atrocities.

 

sometimes, when you broadcast a show on national tellevision: MAKE SURE U GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT!

 

lol

anyways, thanks for the answer man

[Hellektor]

My comment wasn't directed at you specifically - the whole thread, english, french, etc. was quite simply a flame fest. I personally am not a fan of warnings/bannings, and would rather prefer to prevent the behaviour that leads up to such actions. I hope you understand.

I appreciate and admire your tolerance. I still think the thread should be reopened, because irlandahay deserves an answer from every interested user and his/her (I guess he is a guy, I always take the precaution in order not to offend!) thread should not suffer because of bad language from some users

[gamavor]

We don't need turkey to "liberate" our lands, but to VACATE them. And by vacate I mean that the current inhabitants should pack their tents and move back to Mongolia.

 

But even this is not immediate issue. What is of importance is to keep the two digit economic growth of Armenia for the decades to come.

[Hellektor]

thank you for the answer,,,lol it took a while to get a good one.

 

but ya, i totally agree with you, but the problem is, its been ninety years.

if you were watching the news last summer, the people living the gaza area had only been there some 20-30 years. and already they were crying and going crazy.

Don't mention it!

I think i explained that.

I paste the following that I just posted somewhere else and I hope you guys will comment on it, I used some parts of the reply here to compile it!

 

The treaty of Sèvres envisages an autonomous Kurdistan albeit on Armenian territory, south of Armenia. I believe when the treaty is enforced, it can be arranged for the Kurds to migrate southwards, keeping in mind that the Kurdistan of Iraq will be a fact at that time.

I mean if such a state is created, the Kurds will migrate to that state willingly in the course of some years or a couple of decades of course. It's a dream come true after all and it's legal.

 

Everybody will gain from enforcing the treaty of Sèvres. I know the Turks don't have ears for this, because according to their nomadic instincts, they want as much land as possible for pasture for their cattle.

 

But once this is done, they'll get rid of Armenia that they have renamed "Eastern Anatolia" which they'll never be able to turn into a prosperous region, simply because you can't build a country on the bones of an annihilated nation. It will be cursed and will remain poor for ever.

 

Of course, an Armenia with 20 million Muslim and 3 million Armenian population will hardly be an Armenia any more and the situation will cause insolvable problems regardless of the respect between the peoples.

 

I don't know better, if anyone has a better idea, please do share. Just keep in mind it would be a double injustice if Kars, Ani, Ardahan, Van, Karin (Erzurum) and our Mount Ararat are denied us once again. Don't you think?

 

i personally believe all of this israel palestine bull cr*p should go to the jews.

but the point is, imagine after ninety years, were gonna see alot of sobbing, alot of: my grandfather built this house!(of course ignoring the fact that he built it after dea

capitating, raping and murdering its former residence but nonetheless), if it happens tho, aarmenia will look like tyrants.

I have no problem with Jews having a homeland but I sincerely hope they'll leave our tiny Artsakh alone.

If you don't know what they are up to, just read this to learn about the Jewey Lewis conspiracy. The whole article is also very useful if you have the time to read it. Check this (the audio link is old) for a blatant sample of Jewish back stabbing of Armenians.

Just know that if they succeed in the "reunification" of the real Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan) with the bogus nonentity north of the Arax it will be the end of Armenia and the Jewish lobby is working on it. As a result you hear crap like "Southern Azerbaijan" and "Northern Azerbaijan" which is a fable. More on this if you wish.

 

im not sure if your american or canadian but, if you are any of those, do you watch cnn?

they have this program called places that dont really exist, its about unofficial countreys.

guess wich one they covered? Nagorno karabakh.

they interviewed the armenians living there. it was a good show except for at the end.

I live in Iran but we have satellite TV although it's illegal. Everybody has it. Unfortunately I didn't see that program.

 

the moron (no, the Jew! H.) said: the war was terrible and something like that then he said: once the armenians invaded, thousands of azeri refugees left out of fear, imagine all the horrible things that must have happened here.

in other words, he was saying that they left because the armenians were commiting atrocities.

and that is the reason that there are only armenians left.

hes so stupid (nope! He's a son of a bitch H.), he forgot (no way, he's a motorfokker. H.) that it was always populated by armenians and it was part of armenia, and that it was the azeris that were commiting atrocities.

 

sometimes, when you broadcast a show on national tellevision: MAKE SURE U GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT!

 

lol

anyways, thanks for the answer man

This is part of the Jewish conspiracy that completely ignores the facts that:

I. "Azerbaijan" started the war after they committed acts of genocide in Sumgait, Baku, Gandzat, Shamkhor, Shushi, Maragha, Shahoomian, Getashen, etc. in the period of 1988-1992... that still remain unpunished.

 

II. All that in response to peaceful demonstrations by Armenians.

 

III. Armenians voted for cessation completely legally according to Soviet law.

"Azerbaijan" perpetrated genocidal acts forcing 400,000 Armenians to flee their homeland and unleashed a war to exterminate Artsakh Armenians.

 

IV. Armenians defended themselves and won the war.

 

V. "Azeris" committed cultural genocide in Nakhijevan and not only.

 

Most important of all, the present situation is the consequence of their actions, not the fault of the Armenians. This point should be hammered at ad nauseam until the Zionist faggots give in.

 

We have nothing to give the Turks. They occupy 90%+ of Armenian territory and not vice versa.

[Hellektor]

We don't need turkey to "liberate" our lands, but to VACATE them. And by vacate I mean that the current inhabitants should pack their tents and move back to Mongolia.

 

But even this is not immediate issue. What is of importance is to keep the two digit economic growth of Armenia for the decades to come.

That's more or less what I meant.

I started this thred, as an answer to irlandahay, whose thread If Turks Liberate Our Lands then what? was closed before all of us shared our views on this grave matter. "Turks Will Never Liberate Our Lands" was my reply to irlandahay's question.

 

I'd like you guys to suggest ways to evict the squatters after the treaty of Sèvres is enforced, as it were, as politely as possible. I explain this in the previous message. Don't forget the majority of people in occupied Armenia are Kurds and we don't want to become hostile to them. It's better to reach an agreement with them to turn Turkish state to rubble together and avoid having to lose our land to another people once more.

[Yervant1]

I'd like you guys to suggest ways to evict the squatters after the treaty of Sèvres is enforced, as it were, as politely as possible. I explain this in the previous message. Don't forget the majority of people in occupied Armenia are Kurds and we don't want to become hostile to them. It's better to reach an agreement with them to turn Turkish state to rubble together and avoid having to lose our land to another people once more.

What are the chances that the treaty of Lousane get cancelled and the treaty of Sevres reintroduced?

Do you think the world politics will allow that?

[Hellektor]

What are the chances that the treaty of Lousane get cancelled and the treaty of Sevres reintroduced?

Do you think the world politics will allow that?

Since these questions come back all the time I have prepared a huge text file from which please allow me to copy/paste. They are addressed at Turks, so change "you/your" for "they/them/their":

 

"The treaty of Sèvres is legal because the Lausanne treaty was imposed on us and does not include any articles concerning the Armenians.

 

In plain language the murderous squatters signed a contract which gave them the "right" of the ownership to the home of the landlord (whose family they had just raped and slaughtered) without the consent of the same, who was not even allowed to be present at the signing of the contract.

Shred it and make toilet paper out of it.

 

It's legal because the Lausanne treaty does not include an article annulling the Sèvres treaty.

 

It's a more important treaty because the American president drew the map but there's no American signature under the treaty of Lausanne. So in fact the US of A does not officially recognize Turkey!

 

Dont worry about the rest of Armenia, we'll take it back later including Cilicia.

We didn't build an advanced kingdom for 300 years for you to come and usurp it from us."

 

Let me paste another fraction:

 

"The American empire will fall sooner than you can imagine. America is a paper tiger completely dependant on oil. When there's no more oil the Americans will not survive, because they cannot walk to the supermarket to buy bread. They have to use their cars, so they will starve. "

 

This bit I address the Turks when they doubt how we will enforce Sèvres:

 

"It’s only that the US of A is pouring hundreds of billions of dollar$ down the bottomless throat of the Sick Man of Europe. When the Turkish schlong pops out of the Zionist/Anglo-Saxon mouths and they get enough of Turkish Delight sprayed all over their immoral muzzles, we will kick your Tatar asses back to Mongolia, the hell you come from and the hell you belong. "

 

The thing is you got to have faith! I'm not saying this will happen last year. It might take decades or even centuries. History is a continuum and this is not the end of history.

 

We got Artsakh back didn't we? And with the pessimist/shy/polite mentality we have, instead of demanding Nahkijevan and compensation, we are negotiating to "return" liberated land to the losers when at the same time they are smashing every surviving Armenian heritage into 1.5 million pieces.

 

How come they can commit genocidal acts, start a war, destroy our heritage in broad daylight but Armenia cannot dispose of garbage in Nakhijevan by carpet bombing the area instead of negotiating Armenian territory with the sore, genocidal losers?

 

Since all of 27000 Armenian monuments (cemeteries, khachkars, churches, monasteries, etc.) accounted for by Argam Ayvazian are feared totally destroyed, there will be no fear of unintentionally harming Armenian heritage.

And since the indigenous Armenian population was ethnically cleansed in front of the eyes of the Soviet leaders and later in 1990s, there can be no fear of human casualties.

[irlandahay]

"ashkhare chekider payts covinis g'abri sadanan"

the world doesnt know it but next to us resides the devil...how true is that!

 

but guys...whats the treaty of lousanne?

 

and ya why are we negotiating?

i dunno! because were christian!

moslems are terrorising the world right now and when our troops (canadian) go to liberate theyr crap countrey...we have stupid hippies over sea who arnt happy and tell them to stop the killing! have they ever been to any of those countreys?!? do they know whats going on there? no all they know what tot do is complan!

everyone says that in our class descutions (yes im only in 9th grade)

always complaining.

 

and my favourite part of it all is: "we shouldnt interfere, its none of our business"

i felt like hitting that guy, i was about to cry so i screamed: NO ONE INTERFERED IN ARMENIA! NOW GO SEE IN WHAT SHAPE ITS IN AFTER NINETY YEARS! THE WORLD LIBERATED THE JEWS AND NOW THEYR PROSPEROUS! GO SEE ARMENIA!

lol the whole class fell silent and then my armenian friend clapped and everyone else started clapping...yessssssss lol

 

but for the jewish conspiracy part..come on man, there is always a conspiracy against the jews...leave them alon

there may be some of them who seek to destroy us

but i admire them...in 1946 when the word genocide was invented in nuremberg....the jews said "never again" and now theyr very close and they are always helping each other out...here we have assimilated idiots, and people who say they dont care about our arm-pit of a countrey...no one...NO ONE is going to help armenia but us!

and if we dont do it...who will?!

 

[tigranisbasileus]

History has winner and losers, international law is always trying to correct this reality.

 

 

You can't. Accept the losses and move on.

 

 

I hear junior talking about the jews and always wanting to punch people.

 

 

Go over it man go open an armenian restaurant or something, get the odars interested in your culture,

 

 

enough with the genocide, ok?

[ED]

what do you mean when you say "enough with Genocide"

do you realise what you say? do you think we enjoy talking about it?

1.5 million people were killed, take a deep breath and think about it ,

and still 91 years after it they, the turks, still spit on the momory of the victims

 

you think this is a pass time we are doing or you can say something constractive regarding it?

your arrogance seems to hav no limits and I dont think you even give a damn about Greek victims ider

 

are you sure your Greek?

[Yervant1]

what do you mean when you say "enough with Genocide"

do you realise what you say? do you think we enjoy talking about it?

1.5 million people were killed, take a deep breath and think about it ,

and still 91 years after it they, the turks, still spit on the momory of the victims

 

you think this is a pass time we are doing or you can say something constractive regarding it?

your arrogance seems to hav no limits and I dont think you even give a damn about Greek victims ider

 

are you sure your Greek?

Edward the best answer you can give this guy is no answer, thats what I'm doing and if everybody does the same thing this guy will go back where he came from. He says he is a lawyer but his writing and reasoning don't look like it.

[irlandahay]

History has winner and losers, international law is always trying to correct this reality.

You can't. Accept the losses and move on.

I hear junior talking about the jews and always wanting to punch people.

Go over it man go open an armenian restaurant or something, get the odars interested in your culture,

enough with the genocide, ok?

alright...enough is enough!

you know...you liberal socialist idiots are all the same!

who do you think you are?

accept the losses and move on?

let me tell you...we have accepted and moved on for 3 thousand years!

it is because of your genuine and intelligent mentallity that we were massacred...

now listen greek cause im only gonna say this once,

if you dont understand our point of view then dont post yours!

you disagree? fine...but dont come bitching about your wife doing the right thing and making her son armenian!

and what? your scared to come on the thread i started?

 

haha...i guess i was right...you are a coward greek...you really are

and bring odars to our culture? nah...i used to have faith in odars...but jeez...where do you come around talking about something like that! your the one whos scared of raising your son armenian!

 

im sorry but...you are a coward!

[phantom22]

This was not about winners and losers. You are parroting the Turkish line. This was about the wholesale massacre of persons irregardless of how they felt about freeing the Armenian vilayets from under the Turkish yoke. This was about enriching themselves at the expense of a religious minority. This is about the unlawful confiscation of property also.

 

 

 

History has winner and losers, international law is always trying to correct this reality.

You can't. Accept the losses and move on.

I hear junior talking about the jews and always wanting to punch people.

Go over it man go open an armenian restaurant or something, get the odars interested in your culture,

enough with the genocide, ok?

Edited June 22, 2006 by phantom22

[Arpa]

Dear Hell-doctor :)

With all due respects, you have initiated a very worthy debate.

This debate is simply a matter of semantics, a play on words.

You have initiated a very apropos thread. It reinforces an oft discussed argument as how a land “lost to the SWORD can only be regained by the SWORD“. (search and ye shall find).

Speaking of “semantics/words” , “liberation “ is not done by the occupier, it is only done by the occupied, read about the “LIBERATION” of Artsakh.

Could you, or the mods please revise the subject topic to something like “Turks will never cede/RELEASE and RETURN.”

We know. They will never willingly “return”, they are , and have been saying; “You want it? Come and get it !!!”

They may not have heard the latest as how “We came and got it”. Tell them to read about the “LIBERATION ” of Artsakh. Maybe only then they will learn enough English to understand what LIBERATION means.

We may not yet be in a position of LIBERATION……, YET!

[tigranisbasileus]

what do you mean when you say "enough with Genocide"

do you realise what you say? do you think we enjoy talking about it?

1.5 million people were killed, take a deep breath and think about it ,

and still 91 years after it they, the turks, still spit on the momory of the victims

 

you think this is a pass time we are doing or you can say something constractive regarding it?

your arrogance seems to hav no limits and I dont think you even give a damn about Greek victims ider

 

are you sure your Greek?

 

 

for us odars it sems like the only thing you talk about.

 

Yes, I am greek.

[irlandahay]

for us odars it sems like the only thing you talk about.

 

Yes, I am greek.

ya but you odars havent really lived it have you? you odars culture hasnt been spat on, you odars havent been forgotten by the world, you odars have no damn idea...

[ED]

for us odars it sems like the only thing you talk about.

 

Yes, I am greek.

 

 

really? who told you this. take a wile and look into the pages of this forum, you;ll find meny topics which have nothing to do with Genocide,

 

even your statment of "sems only thing you talk about " sounds stupid

if you are Greek, and I have high respect for Greeks, then you must be the black sheep among them

 

statments like Aznavour never sang in Armenian, Armenians should convert back to Ortodox church, and many similar stupidies by you makes you the second in line after deniz the idiot

 

again, you want to post here, tone down your arroganec and especialy your aditute

I have a respect for ignorance, but not for arrogance and stupidity

 

look into the music section and you'll find Aznavour singing in Armenian with his doughter

have you heard Sayat Nova? (now go google it) and come back tell me yes

do you know who Narekatsi was, Paruyr Sevak who was traslated into Greek, and there are many works of Armenian poets available in Greek (note I spell Greek in CAPITAL G)

 

dude.....grow up!

[Armenak]

for us odars it sems like the only thing you talk about.

 

Yes, I am greek.

Maybe to the chauvinistic Greek odars...

[tigranisbasileus]

really? who told you this. take a wile and look into the pages of this forum, you;ll find meny topics which have nothing to do with Genocide,

 

even your statment of "sems only thing you talk about " sounds stupid

if you are Greek, and I have high respect for Greeks, then you must be the black sheep among them

 

statments like Aznavour never sang in Armenian, Armenians should convert back to Ortodox church, and many similar stupidies by you makes you the second in line after deniz the idiot

 

again, you want to post here, tone down your arroganec and especialy your aditute

I have a respect for ignorance, but not for arrogance and stupidity

 

look into the music section and you'll find Aznavour singing in Armenian with his doughter

have you heard Sayat Nova? (now go google it) and come back tell me yes

do you know who Narekatsi was, Paruyr Sevak who was traslated into Greek, and there are many works of Armenian poets available in Greek (note I spell Greek in CAPITAL G)

 

dude.....grow up!

 

 

Only one Aznavour song in armenian? what a patriot!

[tigranisbasileus]

Maybe to the chauvinistic Greek odars...

 

We love armenians, especially thosee that hav become greek, and more armenians have becom greek that the opposite. Why is that?

 

 

We even have one that won a medal for us in Greco Roman wrestliing in Athens.

 

 

How many sites on Komitas do you have here?

 

You keep talking about liberatinig the lands...

 

Move on: Honore your ancestors by bringinig glory to the culture, not by being sad;

 

They are gone; no one has forgotten them; I haven't; they would be happy to know you are building rather than still mourning.

 

Armenians are a beeautiful but you have to move forward don't stay stick in 1915.

 

 

It isn't healthy

[ED]

Only one Aznavour song in armenian? what a patriot!

 

 

how can I possibly let my self to respond to such an idiotic statment

 

now, do your self a fayour and get the hell out my face and this forum you fool!!

[tigranisbasileus]

how can I possibly let my self to respond to such an idiotic statment

 

now, do your self a fayour and get the hell out my face and this forum you fool!!

 

How many songs has he done?

[ED]

OK, I will make your stupid posts visable so folks here can have fun

 

singing songs and paitrotism....whats one has to do with the other shmack?