Zartonk Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 (edited) What is God? Just curious to hear everyone's opinions. Edited October 26, 2005 by Zartonk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted October 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 (edited) (I am sorry about this, but I forgot for a second there was a Theology section in the Forum..) Edit note: I moved the thread to Theology for you - vava Edited October 26, 2005 by vava Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 God is an infinite loop because God created God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanetsi Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 I think that man can not comprehend how God came to be. God's "creation" could not have been a creation that we as people could understand because how could God be out of nothingness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Why not? Are you saying God can't do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanetsi Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 God can do as God wishes. I'm only saying that we couldn't comprehend it.... we couldn't even begin to grasp the creation of God in our own terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armjan Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 (edited) God is an infinite loop because God created God. if the 1st God is an infinite loop, when did it ever spawn a thread to create the second instance of god? if " God created God" from an outsider's pt of view, from God's view, God was never created nor destroyed? So how would u explain how God came into existence from God's view? this seems like a bad design pattern Edited October 26, 2005 by armjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Why should there be one "God"? Why not many? I have never heard a reasonable argument against polytheism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Why should there be one "God"? Why not many? I have never heard a reasonable argument against polytheism. Well, i've never actually heard a reasonable 'argument' about God. As soon as folks start discussing God, it usually degenerates into an argument, and most of the time, it's quite unreasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 God can do as God wishes. I'm only saying that we couldn't comprehend it.... we couldn't even begin to grasp the creation of God in our own terms. Vanetsi: You summed it up exactly! Quite right. "We couldn't comprehend it....we couldn't even begin to grasp the creation of God in our own terms." We will perhaps when we happen to go to 'anti ashkhar', when we go to heaven, hopefully beside Lord Jesus Christ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 (edited) Vava: Sorry if this isn't the thread to ask this question; but Sip recently said that you're a guy. Is this true? Are you a guy or a gal now? Edited October 26, 2005 by Anahid Takouhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anahit Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Why should there be one "God"? Why not many? I have never heard a reasonable argument against polytheism. For less questions! can u imagine the situation poor clerics, who can't even answer questions just about ONE God, would have to face if there were many Gods?????????? besides, it's always easier off with having only one center it keeps everyone concentrated to THE ONE and gives no other choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anahit Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 (edited) i have been thinking about "did GOD CREAT THE MAN OR THE MAN CREATED THE GOD" more than about "what is the God", to be frank,so Right now i can just come up with 2 things for the last question: 1,ANYTHING we can't see, understand, EVEYTHING WE FAIL TO COMPREHEND. 2, MEANS OF CONSOLATION. Edited October 27, 2005 by Anahit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 "did GOD CREAT THE MAN OR THE MAN CREATED THE DOG" god did both... man ate the dog... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 i have been thinking about "did GOD CREAT THE MAN OR THE MAN CREATED THE DOG" more than about "what is the God", to be frank,so Right now i can just come up with 2 things for the last question: 1,ANYTHING we can't see, understand, EVEYTHING WE FAIL TO COMPREHEND. 2, MEANS OF CONSOLATION. It has been said that "God created man in His own image". It seems like the writer of the above may have suffered from dyslexia. I think they may have meant that "Man created God in his own image". The reason why there are so many images of God. Consider "vindictive and unforgiving", Loving and orgiving", "god of peace" and god of war". These are some of the attributes of God by the three major religions. I have no idea what the other not so major religions' concept of god is, yet I can surely assert that there are as many images of God as there are humans, 6 billion you say? Ask them and they wil tell you, all 6 billion of them. At least 8 million of them will say that their God is bent on vindicating their plight stoking His furnace by sending every and all Turks to h*ll Some of us may know the song "Ov Hayots Astvats, Mer Aryamb snatsvats, Havatn mer pashtpanir, Yev Tshnamyats mi hantsnir..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 ... from God's view, God was never created nor destroyed? We can call that the First Law of God-o-dynamics But I am in agreement with Arpa ... God is a very personalized concept and that's I guess why the question of the thread asks what YOU think God is. As far as many or one God, my answer is, since God also created the notion of "counting things", the application of counting to God doesn't make sense ... so trying to distinquish a singular God vs multiple Gods is again going to lead to confusion and contradiction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Vava: Sorry if this isn't the thread to ask this question; but Sip recently said that you're a guy. Is this true? Are you a guy or a gal now? Now? As long as I can remember, I've aways been a guy. I'm pretty sure I can ask around and get some people to corroborate that for you You can't really trust 'people' today, so I guess to really know, you'd have to ask God. He is omniscient, and would definitely know. Sorry I'm being a bonehead - it's a tough day at work.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 What is God? Just curious to hear everyone's opinions. A mad scientist who is emulating some of the universes in our multiverse in a quantum computer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 One theologist has said "God is not a person, but not less than a person". Aside from that, one quick insight: a common way of thinking says - if God created the universe and all things that exist in it then who created God? This question is a valid question because this universe is one of cause and effect, things change constantly, one thind leads to another without end. Every effect has a cause, every cause has an effect, the origination of everything is prompted by some cause. All things are connected by the link of cause and effect. At the same time, every cause is itself an effect of some other cause. So by observation alone we conclude that all things in the universe were created. If this reasoning is right then then one also concludes that if God exists in this universe then it must have a cause like anything else, hence the question asked above is valid, and does not have an answer. However, there is another way to look at it: God does not belong to this universe like anything else. Instead, there are two categories - a Creator/God that is outside of the universe, and a creation which is the universe and everything residing in it. Does this make sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaunt Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Why should there be one "God"? Why not many? I have never heard a reasonable argument against polytheism. Amateur... . Refer to Spinoza's argument against the existence of multiple substances in the Ethics, Part I, Propositions I-V. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted October 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Thank you very much vava. And thanks to everyone for your responses. However, there is another way to look at it: God does not belong to this universe like anything else. Instead, there are two categories - a Creator/God that is outside of the universe, and a creation which is the universe and everything residing in it. Does this make sense? I completely agree with you Sasun. As Arpa mentioned as well, the familiar concept of God is a private and variable one, and really depends on one's perception of their existence. What man prays to and relates with is a primitive intuition that remindes the individual of the oneness of life, and of this Universe, for that matter. It is this very personal God that humanity regards as the Greater power; the one above. The God in the Sky and the Creator God (whose probable existence or involvement with this certain realm is of obvious uncertainty and inaccessibility) are polar opposites: One is our creation and one is possibley responsible for Creation. A mad scientist who is emulating some of the universes in our multiverse in a quantum computer. Quebecer, is Physics your education? I have read some of your previous posts and have found them quite fascinating. Could you please summerize your stance point and elaborate on the idea of multiverses. Also, what is this "quantum computer"? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 OH nooooooooooooo ... not the multiverse ... not the vacuum bubbles ... NO NO NO pleaaaaaaase make it stop Quantum computing is an active area of research which seems to show a LOT of promise and potential but how, when, and in what way any of it will become practical (if at all) is the question. With traditional transistors forming CMOS, the presence or absence of electric charge indicates the basic 1 and 0 used as the fundamental building block in our computing today. As CMOS shrinks and more and more transistors are packed on a single chip, we are slowly getting to the limit which is basically one atom. You can't make a "material" with less than that. So even now they have insulators and other layers that are like 5 atoms thick on the device so there's not much more you can push these. With Quantum computing, people are looking at how to use quantum effects of the particles to do the computation. An example is the "quantum dot" where they force an electron into. You can think of it as counting electrons. Also, if you are familiar with quantum mechanics, electrons have either an "up" or "down" spin associated with them so you can also force them to take a certain spin (using magnetic fields). So what Quebecker is talking about MAY be something that we'll see in a couple of decades or so... who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted October 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 (edited) Thank you Sip. Shat shat hetakrkratsnogh ideaner en. Edited October 26, 2005 by Zartonk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvestaked Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Kaghaparner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanetsi Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 if " God created God" from an outsider's pt of view, from God's view, God was never created nor destroyed? So how would u explain how God came into existence from God's view? I can't tell you thexact location, but in the Armenian Apostolic Liturgy there is a prayer proclaiming that God is "the uncreate and the perfect." Instead, there are two categories - a Creator/God that is outside of the universe, and a creation which is the universe and everything residing in it. Judeo teachings dictated that God was separate from man's realm (Genesis). So one could see why God's incarnation as the Christ was such a big deal-- a big enough deal to start a religious revolution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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