TigranG Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 (edited) This new topic will be based on an open-minded discussion about the so called white/Caucasian race. I welcome and encourage everyone to give their opinion... I was always puzzled as to why the Caucasian race is considered white, bare with me for a moment please... The new "out of Africa theory" is becoming the most popular since caucasoid bones have been found there which predate the european ones... Now, given the factor that people in africa cannot be of white color due to the sun exposure, and since scientists say that europeans developed white skin due to the harsh European climate, then can it be that the so called Caucasian race was in actuallity not white at all, instead a brown race which over the period of migrating became lighter in skin color... And for that matter, can a race even be categorized by skin color? I know that the most accepted modern theory states that there were two migrations to Europe, 1st, from N.Africa to western Europe and 2nd, from Middle East to south-eastern Europe... Given these facts, should we consider the so called "caucasian" race to be white or not white, since there are many people of dark skin and dark features that supposably belong to that racial category... What are some of your opinions on this matter? PS. Dont bother writing if you are not serious about the topic, you will be wasting your time! Edited September 29, 2005 by TigranG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 This new topic will be based on an open-minded discussion about the so called white/Caucasian race. style_images/master/snapback.png Your opening sentence belies an obvious bias - the use of 'so-called' as an adjective - which clearly thwarts any open-mindedness that anyone could have on such a topci. And for that matter, can a race even be categorized by skin color? style_images/master/snapback.png Nope. Not really - for that matter, categorizing 'race' on another basis, such as phenotypes, would also be futile. Why this obsession with race? It's a construct, and is largely irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigranG Posted September 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 (edited) The reason why I chose to say "so called caucasian race" is because it is a theory, anthropologists dont know for sure where the race comes from, and the reason why they chose the Caucus region is only because of the bible depicting mountain Ararat as the cradle of civilization... http://www.answers.com/topic/caucasian-race-1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race The reason why I talk about race is because its the unknown ancient history that mankind tries to puzzle together, thus very interesting to many people, not just me... dear VAVA, please dont come to this topic to attack an open-minded discussion, I already mentioned that you are wasting your time, so dont bother coming back to this topic, your words show offensiveness with much ignorance! Edited September 29, 2005 by TigranG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 wow, a new member telling the mods what topics they can come to. You have some balls so called "Tigran". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigranG Posted September 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 (edited) He came here to critisize my topic! Every body has the right to come here, but PLEASE dont waste my time on useless remarks... Anyways, I did not insult him, he still has the right to post his opinion just like any other member, but post an opinion which is intelectually coherent to this topic, instead of being critical and full of assumptions of what my motives may be... Just as I have respect for every member, I expect others to have respect for me... Edited September 29, 2005 by TigranG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 There is no different races in the human species. Racial characterisations are social constructs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigranG Posted September 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 (edited) I agree, but the fact that people still look at each other as being racially different, creates a problem not a solution, so we either abolish the idea of different races, or correctly categorize people without bias motives such as modern racial categories present these days, where a person of mixed race is labeled as white/caucasian by the western minds... Edited September 29, 2005 by TigranG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 (edited) The reason why I chose to say "so called caucasian race" is because it is a theory, anthropologists dont know for sure where the race comes from, and the reason why they chose the Caucus region is only because of the bible depicting mountain Ararat as the cradle of civilization... Like I have said before, race is just that old veil of physical character that can succeed in covering up what in fact shapes any social group: culture. But for correction's sake, let's really see why it is "Caucasian" not "Carpathian, Zagrosian",...etc. They didn't do any "choosing" of a region somewhere near Ararat, it's just archeology and anthropology. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/745080.stm http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...rgianskull.html http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9045004/ Edited September 29, 2005 by Zartonk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigranG Posted September 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 (edited) So just Like I have been saying, the Proto-Europeans came from Africa, why designate the term Caucasian, and call it a white race? It is a known fact, when those people were in Africa, they did not posess white skin until they have evolved in the European climate! My theory is, Europeans are racist and they want their opinions to be more dominant than other people's... Edited September 29, 2005 by TigranG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 dear VAVA, please dont come to this topic to attack an open-minded discussion, I already mentioned that you are wasting your time, so dont bother coming back to this topic, your words show offensiveness with much ignorance! style_images/master/snapback.png He came here to critisize my topic! Every body has the right to come here, but PLEASE dont waste my time on useless remarks... Anyways, I did not insult him, he still has the right to post his opinion just like any other member, but post an opinion which is intelectually coherent to this topic, instead of being critical and full of assumptions of what my motives may be... Just as I have respect for every member, I expect others to have respect for me... style_images/master/snapback.png Dear Tigran, It would seem that you have a strange idea of what "open-minded" means. The point of my post was not to 'critisize' your topic, but to critique your approach to the topic - which appears to be anything BUT open-minded. Rather than hurling accusations of 'ignorance' to everyone and their mothers, why don't you attempt to present to us an intelligent, articulate position - as opposed to a sweeping and unfounded claim that "Europeans are racists". Open-minded, are we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Further - respect is earned, based upon merit. It's not merely granted. Earn our respect before demanding it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hytga Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 I know that the most accepted modern theory states that there were two migrations to Europe, 1st, from N.Africa to western Europe and 2nd, from Middle East to south-eastern Europe... Given these facts, should we consider the so called "caucasian" race to be white or not white, since there are many people of dark skin and dark features that supposably belong to that racial category... just like sip said The question is not whether Armenians are European or part of Europe or not, but whether Europeans are Armenian or part of Armenia or not. i'm no ethnologist and i cant contribute much to the subject, but did you ever think that they are called caucasian because they migrated from caucasus/armenia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hytga Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 (edited) that was a joke btw. The new "out of Africa theory" is becoming the most popular since caucasoid bones have been found there which predate the european ones... Now, given the factor that people in africa cannot be of white color due to the sun exposure, and since scientists say that europeans developed white skin due to the harsh European climate, Why do you presuppose that it could not be white? maybe due to climate change, and the global temperature constantly rising, it was the africans that became black? then can it be that the so called Caucasian race was in actuallity not white at all, instead a brown racelike the armenians anyway what's up with all this racial topics you're starting? Edited September 30, 2005 by hytga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Vava, by "open minded" I think he meant for everyone to be open minded to agree with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 PS. Dont bother writing if you are not serious about the topic, you will be wasting your time! style_images/master/snapback.png It's hard to be serious about this topic. I don't believe that race is actual scientific classification but rather an invented and highly distorted term to establish superiority. Otherwise, I do believe that different shades of colors exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 (edited) Sip: I am assuming that it's actually yourself in the picture. Pray tell what is it supposed to be on your head? Edited October 1, 2005 by Anahid Takouhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakersfieldian Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 The alledged "science" of race tends to be nothing more than political foaming at the mouth. Disagree with the current politically motivated theories and face the wrath of those who do nothing more than parrot Franz Boas and Margeret Mead. Furthermore; Sociology, in and of itself, is a fraud created to further the agendas of the above mentioned characters and their ilk. It starts with theories (or wild assumptions like the thread starter) and then looks for (read: only at) "evidence" to support it, no matter how thin. In the past few decades it's disintegrated into an irrational cult with the ability to force it's ideas on just about everyone who attends a college or university. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 The alledged "science" of race tends to be nothing more than political foaming at the mouth. Brilliant "Margeret Mead" Don't know much about her, nor have I read her work entirely, but from what I know I find her theories interesting and agree with many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 (edited) Sip: I am assuming that it's actually yourself in the picture. Pray tell what is it supposed to be on your head? That's a block of cheese (cheese hat) and the shirt says "Favre" as in Brett Favre the Quarterback of the Green Bay packers ... he is a God here in Wisconsin and someone made that picture of me telling me I had officially become a "cheese head" (a nickname for Wisconsinites) after I moved here. Yes, cheesehead IS an actual race for you non believers. Edited October 1, 2005 by Sip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 (edited) Yes, cheesehead IS an actual race for you non believers. style_images/master/snapback.png Edited October 1, 2005 by Anahid Takouhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 TigranG, Proto-Caucasians don't come from Africa. Proto-Humans do. I guess they call whites ''Caucasians''. because life restarted in the Caucasus, after the Great Flood, or because the Indo-European homeland was located in the Caucasus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skhara Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 (edited) The new "out of Africa theory" is becoming the most popular since caucasoid bones I don't know why the "out of Africa theory" is becomming the "most popular", but caucasoid bones in Africa do not mean that caucasoids came from Africa. There would have to have been caucasoids in Africa given that ancient Egyptians were Caucasoids. And for that matter, can a race even be categorized by skin color? No it cannot and should not. In a true sense race is only based on anthropology. Skin color is due to melanin. From searching "albino": Is the boy in the bellow picture "white", he sure isn't caucasoid. http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/projects/fall01/braun/albino.jpg Yes, cheesehead IS an actual race for you non believers. tongue.gif I don't like this cheesehead race. They keep blocking auto traffic with their vehicles on Sundays, and blocking walking traffic with their huge bellies. Edited October 2, 2005 by skhara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 You're a racist man ... you're a racist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 I was always puzzled as to why the Caucasian race is considered white, bare with me for a moment please... That theory has nothing to do with the Bible. Acctualy it colides with the Bible on number of issues. The theory was first developed in the late 18 century by two German antropologists. A vast amount of historical evidence points out that our civilization was born between Caspian and Black sea, as well as the fertile cresent (northern Mesopotamia and a little bit further down south). It is also an established fact that Armenians were native to the region for no less than 3 000 years. It is also a fact that the rest of your beloved "Middle Easterners" appeared in the region in the late 6 century after Christ. Now, tell me who tought who to eat kufta, basturma, etc..??? And before you open again your mouth about things that you have no clue about....DO SOME READING! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skhara Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 You know something gams. As much as I hate to use the bible as a source for anything, there are biblical events that are in line with evidence of passed happennings. It is said that Noah's arc landed on Ararat and all humanity began there. Well I'm of the opinion that Ararat is a likely origination point of the Caucasoid race, and Caucasians spread in all directions from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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