Nakharar Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 Anyway guys: What are we doing in Iraq? What's so important and valuable for the ROA to be helping America and the Jews there? Please explain why? I am unaware what the politics unveiled here that is important. Anyway, I never thought we should have entered this war to begin with. This wasn't America's war you guys already know about this. Anahid Takouhi style_images/master/snapback.png That is rather easy to answer. We are currying the favor of the (unfortunately) sole superpower like many small and midsized countries in exchange for monetary and political gains or just a pat on the shoulder simply to remind them that we exist as a country. There are no long term benefits to be gained. At least we are not like Georgia and Uzbekistan who are pathetically grateful that their names are being mentioned by the US President as "indispensable" allies who stood by them at their hour of peril. Given the black and white mindset of the US administration you are either on their side or the other and unfortunately for economically weak countires like ours who are outside the protection of international "rackets" like the EU or Asean, though with some exceptions, are difficult to avoid. It is called Realpolitik and I'm sure it must have been a bitter pill to swallow for the Armenian government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 Given the black and white mindset of the US administration you are either on their side or the other and unfortunately for economically weak countires like ours who are outside the protection of international "rackets" like the EU or Asean, though with some exceptions, are difficult to avoid. It is called Realpolitik and I'm sure it must have been a bitter pill to swallow for the Armenian government. style_images/master/snapback.png Thank you for your good explanation. Unfortunately however, no matter how important politics is at times; I still hate the bitchy politic games. Bush has played plenty plenty of it didn't he? Boy I loved that picture, I'm still chuckling about it. Anahid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 Dubya and Ari http://www.huppi.com/t/image_collections/rand_comics/w_and_a.jpg style_images/master/snapback.png I think this is too much, let's not cross the limits. Criticize all you want, but ridiculing and denigrating personalities in such a way is just indecent and unacceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 Sasun! Lighten up!! While I agree that it's pretty low-brow anyone who takes public office waives all their rights in terms of jokes to their looks, speech, character, and/or any other quality that the joke-making public can easily pick on... Mind you - it's commendable that you're taking the 'high-road' - I respect & recognize that... but as for me, I couldn't help but giggle when I saw the picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 I think this is too much, let's not cross the limits. Criticize all you want, but ridiculing and denigrating personalities in such a way is just indecent and unacceptable. I am sorry Sasun but I couldn't help chuckling about it and seeing the way they both act is very fitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Sorry but I have to disagree. Their facial expressions couldn't have been more perfect for this picture. Afterall we are descended from apes. Or from Adam and Eve for those who think otherwise. I could have posted another picture with Bush which would be rightfully deemed obscene and that would have me permanently banned from Hyeforum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Wherever Armenians go they are mostly loved and well trusted. Something to be proud of ourselves as a nationality! Quite the opposite! That is our tragedy. Just to illustrate few examples. Emperor Basil II known as Bulgaroktonos could very well be called Armenoktonos since it was during his reign that Armenia's statehood ceased to exist. For the record - he was Armenian! Some turkish Armenians gladly supported Ottoman Empire in her last days and later some of the miraculously survived Armenians also rendered their services to the newly established Turkish republic. During the Stalin purges, many 'fellow' Armenians betrayed their 'brothers' finishing the job of the Turks of total elimination of Armenian intelligentsia. In modern times Armenians living in Europe are naturally pro-European, those living in America are pro-American and some of the Russian Armenians are more Russian than Armenian. Isn’t it about time Armenians to become pro-Armenian? During WWI there was a French-Armenian legion, there were Armenian battalions in the British army (just read some of the compliments from the British high command regarding the Armenian soldiers in the British army). During the Balkan war there was Armenian battalion fighting with Greeks and Bulgarians against the Turks. During WWII there were Armenian legion in the German Wermacht, and about 250,000 Armenians gave their lives in the ranks of the Soviet Army. Out of 2,000,000 population at the time that makes Armenia number one country in terms of War losses, per capita. Now, tell me how many French, British, Germans, Russians, and Balkan people died for Armenia??? Aren't we a wonderful nationality??? Why we don't learn just a little from the Jews? Because coping the Jews is bad, because Jews are bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Sorry but I have to disagree. Their facial expressions couldn't have been more perfect for this picture. Afterall we are descended from apes. Or from Adam and Eve for those who think otherwise. I could have posted another picture with Bush which would be rightfully deemed obscene and that would have me permanently banned from Hyeforum. style_images/master/snapback.png Nakharar: I think Sasun should exercise more sense of humor she'll live longer. I thought it was funny and like you said; we have descended from the apes ourselves. On the TV nowadays how they make much more fun of the politicians and the presidents with much more ridiculuously degrading adjectives and sayings than putting their faces on the apes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Quite the opposite! That is our tragedy. Some turkish Armenians gladly supported Ottoman Empire in her last days and later some of the miraculously survived Armenians also rendered their services to the newly established Turkish republic. style_images/master/snapback.png And many, many Armenians gladly gave their life as 'gamavor's which is after your name? for the sake of freeing Armenians from the hands of Turkish and Kurdish massacres, rapes, heavy heavy taxations and undue perpetrations for thirty plus years on the mountains of Partser Hayk The Armenian Plateau without food or water for days at times, without sleep and many many more hardships. Plus how do we know that the stories we now hear be it in the press or the internet aren't Turkish lies so that we would believe less of oursevles and we'll have negative thoughts about ourselves? During the Stalin purges, many 'fellow' Armenians betrayed their 'brothers' finishing the job of the Turks of total elimination of Armenian intelligentsia. In modern times Armenians living in Europe are naturally pro-European, those living in America are pro-American and some of the Russian Armenians are more Russian than Armenian. Isn’t it about time Armenians to become pro-Armenian? style_images/master/snapback.png Yes, although at the Stalin times some Armenians did betray their brothers, unfortunately to live better lives disregarding their brethren; however the core of the Armenian people didn't do that. That was my very point, I mean about Armenians living in the Diaspora, often enough times they are extremely good citizens and throughout the world Armenians are regarded as constructive and well behaved nationality. Certainly one of the best citizens the world can have. Well, yes when a country open their doors to you and accept you as their citizen; you obviously do become and should become grateful and within limits have feel for them and love them too; but of course not disregarding your own anscestral rights and the well being of your own Republic of Armenia. That's a given; why do you think we wish to have our anscestral lands back; so that we won't have to be subjected to any other country and that we'll live together in understanding, in harmony and with love in our own anscestral lands. This is the only way to really live, grow and stay truly a good Armenian - IN YOUR OWN LAND. During WWI there was a French-Armenian legion, there were Armenian battalions in the British army (just read some of the compliments from the British high command regarding the Armenian soldiers in the British army). During the Balkan war there was Armenian battalion fighting with Greeks and Bulgarians against the Turks. During WWII there were Armenian legion in the German Wermacht, and about 250,000 Armenians gave their lives in the ranks of the Soviet Army. Out of 2,000,000 population at the time that makes Armenia number one country in terms of War losses, per capita. Now, tell me how many French, British, Germans, Russians, and Balkan people died for Armenia??? Aren't we a wonderful nationality??? Why we don't learn just a little from the Jews? Because coping the Jews is bad, because Jews are bad? style_images/master/snapback.png Gamavor, When you live in a country that opened their doors to you; and when the time comes that country where you are living now is asking you to go and fight for your country that you are a citizen of now. How can you not fight? If you don't they'll put you in jail, right? Some Armenians living in the said countries that you have so mentioned felt thankful and also patriotic towards that country and they fought with wanting. Others had no choice. How could you dispute that; I am surprised at you. And if you talk about the Jews; Yes we may be in awe of them or we may dislike them; but they are extremely organized, extremely patriotic and yes regardless we like them or not; we certainly can learn plenty from them. These are my thoughts on the said subjects. Anahid Takouhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 The hardliner Sharon, a man who set up residency in the Moslem Arab Quarter of Jerusalem to show the Palestinians "who is the boss," will soon be replaced by Netanyahu because he is viewed as soft dove. Peace will only come when each side agrees that the land must be shared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Gamavor, When you live in a country that opened their doors to you; and when the time comes that country where you are living now is asking you to go and fight for your country that you are a citizen of now. How can you not fight? If you don't they'll put you in jail, right? Some Armenians living in the said countries that you have so mentioned felt thankful and also patriotic towards that country and they fought with wanting. Others had no choice. How could you dispute that; I am surprised at you. That is not very accurate. I'm not talking about the thousands of other Armenians who fought under the banner of their countries. It is clear that they fulfilled their patriotic duty as citizens of their respective countries. I'm talking about a large number of mercenaries that gathered under different flags for foreign causes. The Armenian Legion in particular in the German Wermacht have had Armenians from all over Europe as well as the 'volunteers' for the Balkan war arrived as far as England and America. The French-Armenian legion was formed on the move - very few were Armenians from France. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 That is not very accurate. I'm not talking about the thousands of other Armenians who fought under the banner of their countries. It is clear that they fulfilled their patriotic duty as citizens of their respective countries. I'm talking about a large number of mercenaries that gathered under different flags for foreign causes. The Armenian Legion in particular in the German Wermacht have had Armenians from all over Europe as well as the 'volunteers' for the Balkan war arrived as far as England and America. The French-Armenian legion was formed on the move - very few were Armenians from France. style_images/master/snapback.png I don't quite know what mercenaries you are talking about? Yes some Armenians are 'esdrougs' they fawn and enslave themselves to odars; this is true. However I don't quite know the fact about the German Wermacht collecting Armenian volunteers nor volunteers for the Balkan war. I know around the turn of the 20th century Armenians aided Bulgarians as well as Iran's late Shah; but that was about a hundred year old history now. what you're saying seems to be new. Although odars (non Armenians) never fight for our cause or for the benefit of our country and we have to others; but I always thought because we've been scattered around the world now and we basically have to do it for the sake of our newly adopted countries. In our recent history however; I am proud that some of our brave young men from the diaspora went to Artsakh and helped our men in arms there. I don't know though how many of our young men from the diaspora went to Artsakh. Most probably the Artsakhtsis were the ones who mostly and basically fought for the cause however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 Yes Queen, slowly we are accending to the core of the problem. The total uselessness of the 100 years old Armenian Diaspora and the devastating effect of the Genocide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiG-35 Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Mig: That's a very cute picture. I hope the couple end up treating each other nicely and stay married too. I also hope they'd have at least 3-4 children to make up for our losses. I've been reminded by my wise and nice Armenian teacher a while ago that having two children will only take the place of the parents. A couple must have at least 3 or more children to maximize our nationality. Something to think about, heh? Anahid Takouhi style_images/master/snapback.png Anahid Takouhi jan, Your good wishes are very nice, but I actually posted that photograph of a wedding with an army of Hummer jeeps not as a normal “wedding photo”, but as a kind of social caricature… In Armenia 50% of the people are poor, and these Hummers are $200.000 each… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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