Aratta-Kingdom Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 I am guessing the names you listed are new schoolars. no they are not. Actually I read more old schoolars. in your own words, you said 'current historians'. Armen Ayvazyan and Hovik Nersesian are the most prominent 'current historians'. LIke Varpetyan etc. I am not familiar with those new names. i'm sure you are familiar with those "new" names, but have chosen to ignore their works. I wonder if they have like website or some type of portal where one can read about their research and activities except of TV cause I don't have and I don't watch TV. Armen Ayvazyan- http://www.hayq.org/ If you say where you live, I'll tell you where to find Hovik Nersesians books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Mosjan, merge this with yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 ArmoArmen apparently you have some type of problem dude. I told you I don't know Armen Ayvazyan and Hovik Nersesian. And when I mean current historians I meant Artak Movsisyan. I can't get your point. What are you trying to reach? Now it seems that I am dreaming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 by the way, thanks for the link. Now I can get to know who Armen Aivazyan is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/Artist.renders/Artist.renders.pics/060201.NEMRUT-DAGI.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/Artist.renders/Artist.renders.pics/060201.NEMRUT-DAGI.jpg I didn't see this before. The beautiful display of ancient Armenian gods Zartonk is wonderful. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hellektor Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 I saved all the pics from this website in 2003. Fortunately the page is still there and nothing has been added or removed. The only bummer is that the pics are marked. http://www.fotoaleph.com/Colecciones/NemrutDagi/20120108.JPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neko Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 The only bummer is that the pics are marked. They are marked so that people can't steal them and use them for their own purposes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellektor Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 Գլխին շռում ես ասում ա անձրև ա գալիս: I'm trying not to provide some sado-masochists with jerk-off material but sometimes you just can't ignore some stupid comments. It took two minutes of editing with Photoshop to get rid of the mark, however, when I said it was a bummer I meant the marking could have been done in a less crude manner. A smaller mark with matching colors would have preserved the beauty of the picture whereas now it simply attracts too much attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 I found Mount Nemrut in wiki. Why is it saying that those are greek-persian gods? And that Antiochus I was the son of king Mithridates I Callinicus and the Seleucid princess Laodice, daughter of the Syrian King Antiochus VIII. There is nothing mentioned about armenia and armenian gods. Hellector? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 I found Mount Nemrut in wiki. Why is it saying that those are greek-persian gods? And that Antiochus I was the son of king Mithridates I Callinicus and the Seleucid princess Laodice, daughter of the Syrian King Antiochus VIII. There is nothing mentioned about armenia and armenian gods. Hellector? that's what happens wan your culture / Books / History ........ is wiped out not only by turks persians and others but also our own Armenian church after Armenians have adapted christianity - most of the OLD original religions was ether converted to christianity or was simply "cleaned" / wiped from face of the earth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neko Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 I found Mount Nemrut in wiki. Why is it saying that those are greek-persian gods? And that Antiochus I was the son of king Mithridates I Callinicus and the Seleucid princess Laodice, daughter of the Syrian King Antiochus VIII. Unusually for Wikipedia, they are saying it because it is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neko Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 Գլխին շռում ես ասում ա անձրև ա գալիս: I'm trying not to provide some sado-masochists with jerk-off material but sometimes you just can't ignore some stupid comments. It took two minutes of editing with Photoshop to get rid of the mark, however, when I said it was a bummer I meant the marking could have been done in a less crude manner. A smaller mark with matching colors would have preserved the beauty of the picture whereas now it simply attracts too much attention. When I said "some people" I was specifically thinking of people like you. Alas, having a "relaxed" attitude to the property of others is the least of your problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 (edited) Unusually for Wikipedia, they are saying it because it is true. What was that? Did someone say something? Ohhh neko ! Neko the azeri cat ! But I don't remember asking you anything. Did I ask you anything about mongols pagan past? Ohhh you are not of mongolian origin.... Oh yeah, I forgot you are of caucasian albanian origin. That is right there is a tower in Baku called "maiden tower" built in BC 600 and it was built by your ancestors. That is right you guys are caucasian albanians and you preserverd the language, traditions, religion, architecture etc. etc. What? Oh you speak turkish... You are muslim... No more caucasian albanian traditions etc... Azerbaijan appears in the history only in 1918... You are completly turkified! Yes, you are of altaic (mongolic and seljuk) origin. So wouldn't it be better if my question will be answered by someone who is more competent in prechristian armenian history than you neko? Why don't you be quiet and not provoke us with your stupid comments? If you have anything valuable to say you can participate to the conversation if not save your BS comments to yourself. Thanks! Edited January 29, 2007 by Error 404 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neko Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 (edited) Error404 = intelligence requested but not found. Edited January 30, 2007 by neko 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Error404 = intelligence requested but not found. Well, as Hellector said... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Jean Reno plays in The Empire of the Wolves if you have time get hold of it - it's an interesting move - it ends on top of Nemrut Sar http://www.blockbuster.com/online/catalog/...?movieId=264511 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 http://www.narek.com/store/product.php?pro...at=0&page=1 also this dvd would be good it gives nice info / it's not some web site it's Professors and Historians that have soled info on facts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 at one time i did found some DVD's from Europe / nemrut foundation ? somthing like that - but it was in PAL - and my dvd was not showing PAL - had to have it converted - a good Friend who helped to transfer he lost the dvd - i did not reporder teh dvd it was $55 + SH GOd like i could not use my PC to view the dvd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 also see http://www.vahagnitsnunde.com/pages/te3saf...nde.compag.html teh top video has some nice pictures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenak Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 http://www.narek.com/store/product.php?pro...at=0&page=1 also this dvd would be good it gives nice info / it's not some web site it's Professors and Historians that have soled info on facts $25.00 $2.00 Save 88%. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 most of the GTAK video products are $3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellektor Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 (edited) I found Mount Nemrut in wiki. Why is it saying that those are greek-persian gods? And that Antiochus I was the son of king Mithridates I Callinicus and the Seleucid princess Laodice, daughter of the Syrian King Antiochus VIII. There is nothing mentioned about armenia and armenian gods. Hellector? For me, the first time I saw the pictures of the statues, I couldn’t help feeling that they were Armenian. I think it’s more because of the crowns. I haven’t seen any Roman, Persian or Macedonian crowns that look anything like those of the statues. The Assyrian crown looks a bit like the Armenian but not quite. Then there’s the eagle that also looks like an Armenian eagle. Before some users/abusers spew their hate comments, I’m talking about the feel of the statues to me. I had no idea of the location, history and even the age of those when I saw the photos for the very first time as a kid. At the same age I was completely aware of what Greek or Roman statues looked like, not only because of history books or TV but because we went on a tour to Europe when I was eleven and I would tire my parents visiting Louvres, Vatican, Borghese, British, etc., museums. I just didn’t want to leave… ***** Thank you for your trust Four o Four. I’m not really that knowledgeable but I can tell you this: Some years ago there were a couple of lectures about Commagene in an Armenian center here in Tehran. One important thing that came up was that we (Armenians) were not that concerned with doing research about Armenian heritage. Of course, the region being under Turkish occupation it’s not that easy, if not impossible for Armenian historians, archaeologists, etc. to conduct research on the site. On the other hand who is going to finance such research? Don’t you see similarities in this case with Urartu? Again, we see the statues and the whole history of Commagene is simplified into Mount Nemrut. Historically, the little that I know tells me that in the time of the kingdom of Van (Urartu) and their wars with the Assyrians, Commagene always stood besides and sought the protection of the Armenians. This is long before the invasions of Alexander the Faggot and the fall of the Achaemenid Empire that brought the Seleucids to power and started the so-called Hellenistic period of the region. In the Achaemenid times when Armenia was under their rule, Commagene was a part of the Armenian administration (Satrap), later a part of Yervanduni kingdom by uniting with Ծոփք. Then enter the Seleucids. Also at those lectures, we saw a documentary about Commagene that stated they pushed Marcus Antonius’ army away. According to these facts Commage cannot be Assyrian, Persian, Greek or Roman. The Hitite Empire was also long gone. From Robert Bedrossians website: PTOLEMAEUS, ruling c. 170, independent ruler c. 163-c. 130 B.C. SAMUS II THEOSEBES DIKAIOS, c. 130-c. 100 MITHRIDATES I CALLINICUS, c. 100-c. 70 ANTIOCHUS I THEOS c. 70-c. 35 This Ptolemaeus apparently reestablished the independence of Commagene. Later in times of Tigran it became a part of the Armenian kingdom and after Ardavazd II a part of the Roman Empire’s Assyrian administration. Much later, in the Middle Ages, again part of Armenian dukedoms and later close to the Cilician kingdom. What’s sure, is that the population must have had a considerable Armenian and Assyrian proportion and this is what counts. Commagene being a part of today’s Malatia, these people were destroyed during the Genocide of the last century which put an end to all that history and cultural heritage. Also check this page and scroll down for "Armenian Kingdom of Commagene". This website doesn’t seem to be Armenian. Edited January 31, 2007 by Hellektor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 Yes, dear Hellektor. We cannot dig into the past in so called hostile lands. What is our excuse to not dig in such “friendly” lands as Iran to see where and what AVARAYR is? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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