Accelerated Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 (edited) Im not sure if this has allready been previously covered, but I was wondering what the origins are for the unique names were have for some of our neighbours. eg. Leh/Lehastan (Poland) Vratsi/Vrastan (Georgia) Hujn/Hunastan (Greece) ....not sure if there are any others.....Poland is of particular interest as its relatively far and 'Lehastan' is a very far cry from 'Polska' Edited May 23, 2005 by Accelerated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 ''Lehastan'' is also used in Farsi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted May 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 ....interesting, to my knowledge the Poles, as a nation, havnt been around for that long, or at least havnt been significant for very long... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 Lech is their ancient name for themselves. Huyn comes from "Ionian" there was a thread that discussed these already here, please look for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted May 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 cheerio, I'll have a look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Also, how come the state Georgia and the country Vrastan share a common name? The state Georgia was named after King George (III?), is that right? What about the country Georgia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Also, how come the state Georgia and the country Vrastan share a common name? The state Georgia was named after King George (III?), is that right? What about the country Georgia? style_images/master/snapback.png ya Haw did Vratsis get Georgia ?? Gruzia in Russian Vratstan in Armenia Georgia in English ??? I don't get this ok ok i get it it was named after the song Raining night in Georgia ~ Since Gruzins Like FIRMA staff Such Addidas it should be Gyurza since the state has a good way of Bithing frome the beck - or Auto revers - it will revers any time it's hard to "play" USA A <-> Russia B tooo bad Vakhtang KigaBidze is Vratsy - too Baddddd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 (edited) Also, how come the state Georgia and the country Vrastan share a common name? The state Georgia was named after King George (III?), is that right? What about the country Georgia? style_images/master/snapback.png the country Georgia is from Greek Geo which means soil/earth, in other words it was a Greek name given to the country perhaps because they have good soil to grow things. Nobody asked here what do Georgians call themselves or how they call Armenians. Edited May 24, 2005 by kakachik77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 (edited) Georgians call themselves Kartvelebi and their country Saakartvelo, while GEORGEia, has nothing to do with the name. The Persians and Arabs call them Gurj/Gorj which originates from the classical Kolchis. I think their connection with their patron saint either came after the Crusades, almost a Western misunderstanding. While we're on neighbors, our Russian petrolium based infant neighbor Azerbaijan has a nice story behind its name, which is fitting to the region. The Caucasus was the most geologicaly active area witnessed by he Persians, thereof, they dubbed it Attarbayegan (attar- fire, bayegan- housing place, storage) which by time changed into Atash, Atar, Azar and the -g changed to a more turkic -j. So the region literally translates into "The Land where Fire is kept", "House of the Fires". Edited April 30, 2007 by Zartonk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Wasn't it called Adurbadagan? Adurbadagan/Attarbayegan was a country or region located south of the Araxes river, near lake Urmiya. The republic of Azerbaijan is a fabrication. Modern "Azeri"s were called Tatars before the 20th century. The area covered by the republic of Azerbaijan was actually called "Albania" before the Islamic conquest. They adopted the Armenian version of Christianity, and an alphabet created by an Armenian, Mesrob Mashdots. Even the "Azerbaijani Christians" have Armenian inscriptions on their churches (which they try to destroy in order to appease the Azerbaijani government). So if "Azerbaijan" belongs to anyone, it belongs to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 I never said that our neighbors didnt steal a little..! Among the Ancient Persians, Azerbayegan was reffered to the general area of South-Eastern Caucasus AND Urmia,Tabriz,Ardabil,etc. The reason the barely found republic was called Azerbaijan was the fact the the Azeri Turkic dialect of Norhern Iran had been adopted in Caucasian Albania some time age (It's actualy all the non-Caucasian Turkics speak now). So if "Azerbaijan" belongs to anyone, it belongs to us. Yes! Personally, the Caspian is a fave.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helios Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 the country Georgia is from Greek Geo which means soil/earth, in other words it was a Greek name given to the country perhaps because they have good soil to grow things. Nobody asked here what do Georgians call themselves or how they call Armenians. style_images/master/snapback.png didn't they have several George kings. I know they have a St. George. i thought it was named Georgia because of their kings. i duuno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 Well they have certainly had a few "George" monarchs after European encounters but thats not why they are Georgia to the outsiders. Just think of it as Gurjia instead of Georgia. As far as St.George, he was on their banner for a long time, (and he still appears on the coat of arms:http://www.flagspot.com/flags/ge).html ) but that relation, again, is probably a Crusader mistake. you can see their old flag with St.George here: http://rustaveli.tripod.com/droshebi/Droshebi.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 Guys, I found some info, everybody is partially right about the origin of the name. Origin of the name Georgians call themselves Kartvelebi (ქართველები), their land Sakartvelo (საქართველო), and their language Kartuli (ქართული). These names are derived from a pagan god called Kartlos, said to be the father of all Georgians. The foreign name Georgia, used throughout Western Europe, is derived from Persian گرجی Gurji via the Arabic Jurj. Because the spelling was influenced by the Greek root geōrg- (γεωργ-, indicating farming), the word has been mistakenly supposed to have come from a cognate such as St. George (the country's patron saint), or γεωργία (geōrg/i>, farming). The Classical world knew the inhabitants of eastern Georgia as Iberians, from the Caucasian kingdom of Iberia — thus confusing the geographers of antiquity, who thought this name applied only to the inhabitants of the Iberian Peninsula (Spain, Portugal, Andorra, Gibraltar and [1] (http://flagspot.net/flags/ge.html) Gurj, the Persian designation for the Georgians, is also the source of Turkish G?i> (pronounced "G?) and Russian Gruzin. The name of the country is Gurjestan in Persian, G?an in Turkish, and Gruzija in Russian. The Persian name is probably related to the Armenian words for Georgian and Georgia, respectively Vir and Vrastan. (There are other instances in which a Persian word-initial gu- is derived from an earlier wi- or wa-.) Thus, both the Persian and the Armenian words appear to be related to the name Iberia, with loss of the initial i- and substitution of w or v for the b of Iberia. There is also, in all likelihood, an etymological connection between the name Iberia and the historic province of Georgia called Imereti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 (edited) Georgians call themselves Kartvelebi (ქართველები), Voops!! Shnorhakal Khachik. Thanks to the ethymology it all ties in together now. This is probably the most complete summary on the country's name. As far as the pagan god, it is quite parallel to the folk development of Hayk's epic and its eponymous outcome. The Persian name is probably related to the Armenian words for Georgian and Georgia, respectively Vir and Vrastan. (There are other instances in which a Persian word-initial gu- is derived from an earlier wi- or wa-.) And what do you know...! Edited June 1, 2005 by Zartonk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 In Armenian, Georgia is Virk. We called them Vratsi indicating their geography, (Ver, Vir, i.e Vrastan), meaning - above, upper in one word "north". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted June 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 found the one for Poland: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lechistan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lechia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z'areh Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 (edited) In Hebrew Goergians are called Gagaouz....quite funny sounding actually! Ok I have a question about us. Why do our neughbours call us the way they do? I don't know what the Georgians call us, but across the board all others call us Armenians, whether it's Ermen (arabic) Ermeni (our friendly neighbours) and so on...except us. why?? Why didn't the Arabs also call us "al shaab el'hye" [Hye Azg] instead of "al shaab el'Ermen" when they conquered Hayastan.? Edited June 25, 2005 by Z'areh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 In Hebrew Goergians are called Gagaouz....quite funny sounding actually! Ok I have a question about us. Why do our neughbours call us the way they do? I don't know what the Georgians call us, but across the board all others call us Armenians, whether it's Ermen (arabic) Ermeni (our friendly neighbours) and so on...except us. why?? Why didn't the Arabs also call us "al shaab el'hye" [Hye Azg] instead of "al shaab el'Ermen" when they conquered Hayastan.? style_images/master/snapback.png the topic of Armenia v. Hayk has been discussed in more then one thread on Hyeforum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z'areh Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 the topic of Armenia v. Hayk has been discussed in more then one thread on Hyeforum. style_images/master/snapback.png not since I started to post here I'll check the threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiG-35 Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 (edited) Why didn't the Arabs also call us "al shaab el'hye" [Hye Azg] instead of "al shaab el'Ermen" when they conquered Hayastan.? style_images/master/snapback.png Probably, because the Arabs “inherited” Armenia as a part of Persian Empire, and so the Arabs used the name of Armenia that was at that time used by Persias… Edited August 10, 2005 by MiG-35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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