The World About The AG

[hytga]

congratulations, we finally made it to the bottom of the news of pretty much every news organization. Almost every major news organization has a mention of the events about the AG at least on the bottom of their website. (well so far. except cnn. which has no mention whatsoever about the events). I suppose 800000 people in vatican deserved the top news coverage while milions of armenians around the world deserved the bottom one.

I mean no offence to the new pope installation events, but we deserve a better attantion than this.

Edited April 24, 2005 by hytga

[phantom22]

Ever since Turner left CNN it has become the more subtle mouthpiece of the arch-conservatives. Fox News is the less subtle mouthpiece, while CNN is the more subtle mouthpiece. The Armenian Genocide issue threatens oil interests.

[skhara]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/04/24...s.ap/index.html

 

I found this by using the search field. I have no idea how to actually browse cnn.

[TMNT]

SUCH UTTER B******T! *COUGH* NATALIE ANTELAVA IS A GEORGIAN FREELANCE JOURNALIST *COUGH*

 

 

Armenians remember mass killings

By Natalia Antelava

BBC News, Yerevan

 

 

 

Armenians around the world have commemorated the 90th anniversary of the killings of hundreds of thousands of people by the Ottoman Empire.

Hundreds of thousands of Armenians took to the streets of Yerevan to pay their respects to the victims.

 

Armenian President Robert Kocharian is leading an effort for recognition of the killings as genocide.

 

But Turkey is resisting the effort, saying the killings were merely casualties of war.

 

 

The crowds marched in mourning and remembrance, in a seemingly endless human chain moving slowly up the hill towards the monument to Armenia's most painful memory.

 

Foreign delegates and politicians were the first to come and go.

 

Then, it was just people, hundreds of thousands of women, men and children, only a very few of them old enough to remember what Armenians call the first genocide the 20th Century.

 

It took hours in the unbearable heat to get up to the memorial that honours victims of the massacres that began in 1915.

 

Ninety years ago, on the night of 24 April, the government of Ottoman Turkey rounded up about 250 leaders of the empire's Armenian community.

 

Some were deported, others executed.

 

Over the next two years nearly 1.5 million Armenians were reportedly killed or died during deportations from Turkey.

 

Open door to genocide

 

To this day, many Armenians believe it was the killing of their people that paved the way to the Holocaust.

 

 

We can't let our children forget what happened - the world does not pay attention to Armenia as it is, so we should do our best to keep reminding them

Borseb Gevorkian, an Armenian from Lebanon

 

"After all, who remembers the annihilation of the Armenians," Hitler has been quoted as saying.

 

Armenians around the world say it is essential for them to remember.

 

"We can't let our children forget what happened. The world does not pay attention to Armenia as it is, so we should do our best to keep reminding them," said Borseb Gevorkian, who came from Lebanon to join the march.

 

At the beginning of the 20th Century, Mr Gevorkian's grandparents fled Turkey for Lebanon, a country which is now home to a large part of Armenia's huge Diaspora.

 

It is believed that there are three times the number of ethnic Armenians in Lebanon than in Armenia itself, which has a population of three million.

 

"This is an important occasion. After all, it's us - the members of the diaspora whose parents were deported and killed. I think that's why it was important for us to be here." he said.

 

Demands for recognition

 

But many will argue that it is the people who live today in the impoverished Armenia that are most haunted by the past.

 

Ninety years later, Armenia has no diplomatic relations with Turkey and its borders are sealed, hampering much-needed development of Armenia's struggling, post-Soviet economy.

 

 

Armenian President Robert Kocharian says the country does not want financial compensation from Turkey.

 

What Armenians want is for Turkey, and the world, to recognise what happened as genocide.

 

An increasing number of governments are already doing so.

 

France, Russia, Poland and Germany are among 15 nations that say that the genocide did take place. They are calling on Turkey to follow the suit.

 

But Turkey says the numbers of those killed are grossly inflated and that the Armenians were casualties of World War I, not genocide.

 

As Ankara prepares to start its EU membership talks in October, Armenia hopes for Europe will push Turkey to change its stance as did the thousands of those who marched on Sunday. They marched not only in commemoration but also in demand for the world to recognise what everyone in Armenia believes, that they suffered the first genocide of the 20th Century.

 

Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/4478919.stm

 

Published: 2005/04/24 15:22:50 GMT

 

© BBC MMV

 

NO YOU W***E, IT IS NOT JUST ARMENIANS IN ARMENIA.

 

 

 

EDITED for language/rudeness - I understand your anger/frustration, but please tone down the language and the huge font sizes. Thanks in advance.

Edited April 24, 2005 by vava

[hytga]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/04/24...s.ap/index.html

the funny thing about these is that it barely shows up on the site. Unless you do a search, there's a big chance they'll do nothing so you'll see it.

 

 

an adult chimp who smokes a cigarette "deservs" more attantion than the memory of 1.5 mln people on abc7.com website.

 

Edited April 24, 2005 by hytga

[DominO123]

congratulations, we finally made it to the bottom of the news of pretty much every news organization. Almost every major news organization has a mention of the events about the AG at least on the bottom of their website. (well so far. except cnn. which has no mention whatsoever about the events). I suppose 800000 people in vatican deserved the top news coverage while milions of armenians around the world deserved the bottom one.

I mean no offence to the new pope installation events, but we deserve a better attantion than this.

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http://www.afp.com/francais/home/

 

First news, and before the Pope.

[Dave]

Here's what CTV has to say.

link

 

I also found a ''special report'' on the Armenian Genocide by CTV.

http://www.ctv.ca/generic/WebSpecials/arme...cide/index.html

Edited April 25, 2005 by Dave

[gamavor]

Welcome to Planet Earth!

 

Do you think we should care about F***** Amarocans? Iraq? Holohoax? The propagation patterns of the porcupines?

 

When you people will learn to be egoistic?

[Dave]

Here's a huge article in Aljazeera's site.

 

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/04E...E87FCA4654B.htm

[ED]

 

Again there was no mention in la times neither of the Genocide, nor about the huge protest that went on yesterday,

 

I have sent an email to the editor and informed him of my disappointment and cancellation of the paper because of there unprofessional conduct. I looked at the web site of western region ANCA web site and soon I will contact them of this matter, we need to make lots of noise regarding this, wile for 2 days the paper was full of Passover and Holocaust pages, I was expecting at list a page dedicated to AG and in my mind had no question there would be some mention of AG, especially on 90th anniversary,

What a sickening and conduct by la times!

[DominO123]

 

Again there was no mention in la times neither of the Genocide, nor about the huge protest that went on yesterday,

 

I have sent an email to the editor and informed him of my disappointment and cancellation of the paper because of there unprofessional conduct. I looked at the web site of western region ANCA web site and soon I will contact them of this matter, we need to make lots of noise regarding this, wile for 2 days the paper was full of Passover and Holocaust pages, I was expecting at list a page dedicated to AG and in my mind had no question there would be some mention of AG, especially on 90th anniversary,

What a sickening and conduct by la times!

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Didn't you know, that some have the monopole of victimology

[hytga]

nytimes, latimes, reuters, ap (not afp), abc did horrible job (if any to cover the evetns). although iirc reuters had 2 videos IF you searched for it.

The ones that that did do a god job were afp, bbc, fox, cnn joined in late with an article but at least it did

[MosJan]

cnn start reporting since the 23rd

[Azat]

I am very surprised. When I read Ed's comments I was certain that he may have not done the search right as the Governor spoke about it, there were some 4-5 state senators as well as Shief who spoke at a rally yesterday, the huge march in Hollywood where streets were closed for hours. certainly this is worth of some sort of news in a city with close to 10% of the population is Armenian. But you do the search on genocide or on Armenian and you get NOTHING.

[ED]

Azat, I'm just curious why were are you certain i did not search right? Edited April 25, 2005 by Edward

[vava]

Azat, I'm just curious why were are you certain i did not search right?

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It's easy to mess up a search - especially when looking for a subject that should be evident, obvious and at the top of the headlines. Well - I think we were all a little disappointed. The BBC even gave more space and emphasis to the Gallipoli commemoration *which is supposed to be today btw and NOT yesterday, than they did to the AG.

[Azat]

Azat, I'm just curious why were are you certain i did not search right?

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It was only because you had not found anything and I really did not believe that LA Times would not publish ANYTHING. I was sure that they would have extensive coverage today(Dont know why)

[ED]

well its very evident some powerfull organizations are working very hard on this metter, that is preventing the biggest story of the day being published in the biggest paper.

 

wile ago, todsay, I called ANCA here in glendale and informed them, we as a comunity need to puonder this issue hard, and ANCA says.... we will bring this isssue up with our board, excuse me? you mean you havent done nothing yet? I dont know I have a mixed feeling now, maybe its our foult after all, wile they get away with "murder" our Armenian cumunity leaders will bring this issue and discuss it, need to make a imidiate statment in protest, call, emails, faxes, yerkat@ taq taqen tsetsum!

[kakachik77]

CNN did mention the killings, I saw the clip. It was so exciting to see Yerevan on CNN

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/0...s.ap/index.html

[Harut]

Armenians remember mass killings

By Natalia Antelava

BBC News, Yerevan 

Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/4478919.stm

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looks like the article has been modified slightly...

[Dave]

Turks Confront Dark Chapter of Armenian Massacres

Tue Apr 26, 2005 09:07 AM ET

 

By Ayla Jean Yackley

ISTANBUL (Reuters) - The secret guarded by Turkish writer Fethiye Cetin's family for three generations is now helping to break a nation's silence over one of its darkest eras.

 

Cetin's late grandmother Seher was not the typical Muslim woman she seemed. She was born with the name Heranoush, the daughter of Christian Armenians before internecine violence during World War One tore the family apart.

 

Seher's story is now a book that tells how, at the age of 9, she watched Ottoman soldiers storm her village in eastern Turkey, rounding up the men before slitting their throats. The women and children were forced on a march to Syria.

 

Most died of disease and starvation along the way. Seher was snatched from her mother by a military officer, who raised her as a Muslim among eastern Turkey's largely Kurdish population.

 

For many Turks, Cetin's heart-rending book "My Grandmother," published in November and now in its fifth edition, has put a human face on a 20th century tragedy that has largely become political polemic between Turkey and its neighbor Armenia.

 

"This issue has been debated in terms of numbers and terminology, and the people who suffered were forgotten. My aim was to tell the human story," said Cetin, a 55-year-old lawyer.

 

Armenians around the world on Sunday mark the 90th anniversary of the start of what they say was a genocide perpetrated by Turks that claimed 1.5 million Armenian lives.

 

Turkey, founded upon the ruins of the Ottoman Empire, denies a systematic campaign to annihilate the Armenians. It says hundreds of thousands of Turks as well as Armenians died in partisan fighting amid the chaos of the empire's collapse.

 

TABOO SUBJECT

 

As the country prepares to start European Union entry talks later this year, it is forced to grapple with a subject that was strictly taboo to date. Some European politicians have called on Turkey to acknowledge the killings were a genocide, and the EU wants to see Turkey open diplomatic relations with Armenia.

 

Proudly nationalistic, most Turks see recognition as tantamount to admitting a historical lie.

 

"A vast majority cannot accept this, and they have no reason to," said Gunduz Aktan, a former senior diplomat. "This creates tension, and it's normal for there to be nationalist reaction."

Death threats against Turkey's most celebrated novelist Orhan Pamuk, who said earlier this year that a million Armenians had been wiped out, reveal the pitch that fervor has reached.

 

Turkey's 65,000 ethnic Armenians are "on a knife's edge," anxious the debate may spark a backlash against the beleaguered community, said Hrant Dink, editor of the Armenian weekly Agos.

 

"We never deny our own history. But Armenians are unable to discuss it for fear it will harm the community's existence."

 

Schoolbooks here describe Armenians as a kind of fifth column, pawns of imperialists who attacked Turks, and say Armenians died during a mass expulsion.

 

"If we acknowledge the genocide, we have to declare some of the heroes of the Turkish Republic were murderers and thieves," says Taner Akcam of the University of Minnesota, one of a handful of Turkish scholars who argue genocide was committed.

 

"But we will never have an open, democratic society without confronting the historical injustices."

 

END OF A CULTURE

 

There are signs of growing curiosity about this shadowy chapter in history. "People are beginning to ask, 'What really happened? Where did all of the (Armenians) go?"' said Dink.

 

What is difficult to dispute is that the strife, followed by decades of assimilation and poverty, contributed to the end of Armenian culture in eastern Turkey, where it had thrived for more than 3,000 years.

 

Massacres "happened in front of everyone's eyes. They were deported through villages. People saw them dying on the road. Those collective memories have now been triggered," Cetin said.

 

EU-inspired reforms allowing freer speech have spurred some discussion, albeit limited, in the media and among intellectuals of an issue that could have previously brought prosecution.

 

Istanbul's normally taciturn Armenian patriarch earlier this year called the atrocities of 1915 "the Great Disaster."

Still loath to admit wrongdoing, the government has nevertheless called recently for an international probe and the Turkish parliament held an unprecedented debate on the issue.

 

Cetin said she resisted publishing her book until she felt the climate in Turkey had improved enough to tolerate it.

 

Like her granddaughter, Seher too was at first reluctant to share her story, only telling Cetin when she was 70 years old.

 

But she never forgot the tragedy. Though Seher no longer spoke Armenian, she remembered family names for more than a half-century and asked Cetin to locate her surviving relatives in the United States.

 

Seher's children gave her a Muslim burial when she died in 2000. Her legacy to Cetin is "a rich identity. Sometimes I feel Armenian, sometimes Kurdish and sometimes Turkish."

 

from http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?t...89&pageNumber=2

[hytga]

La times recently published a news titled "Armenian Genocide Debate Persists" also accusing armenians of killing turks.

 

I think it's obveous the bias is influenced by the turky. No serious person would write this bs without external pressure

[ED]

when was it published? i get or used to get times every day and since 22nd of this mounth, no word was mantioned, Armenian, or Genocide.

[hytga]

i just did the search today on 26. I actually found the full text on lexis nexis, but latimes required registration. If you go to latimes.com, search for "armenia", it should be the first one.

 

Btw. turks are pressuring arnold for his comments on the genocide. I say every armenian should step up their personal campain and express their disgust with the bias. If we'd done a better job latimes nytimes etc, wouldn't be so biased. Ancaa or whatever should also be prompted to raise the question and challange any denier to proove us wrong. History is on our side. Rewriting the ottoman archives won't help turks and foreighn archives are not under their control. We need to make alot of noise so the deniers not only woldn't dare to say their say with a clean face, but also wouldn't raise alternative view of a "turkish genocide" commited by armenian women and children. More films interviews with a number of well known historians should be published and broadcasted on tv (at least on pbs) and newspapers. We really need to step up the campaign.

 

Moreover we need to make a noise on the positive reply of kocharian for study on the genocide. Why? because we know that turks will back off, since they'll be separated between the precondition of opening the border prior to the probe, and challanging the armenian claims. We need to show that the genocide is ongoing with a blocade of armenia.

We need to protest not only on april 24, but we need to protest any time and against any one who lacks the moral values to not bow to the pressure of the denialists

Edited April 27, 2005 by hytga

[hytga]

i just emailed this to IWPR editor (johnm@iwpr.net), i urge everyone to do the same

 

I'm deeply disappointed and disgusted that your website did not have any mention of the 90 anniversary of the Armenian genocide. I used to read articles on iwpr website, thinking iwpr is an unbiased source of information. You had no mention of the hundreds of thousands of Armenians demanding recognition of the genocide and paying respect to 1.5 million victims of the first genocide of the 20th century, yet you had the nerve to publish an article about tiny Greek/Armenian village in Artsax with a dwindling population of 24 families. I will be spreading the word to everyone i know, so they'll stop reading your articles.

 

Best wishes on your future stance of ignorance.