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[Gor-Gor]

He's using the defunct archaic orthography.

 

Step 1: Please look up the definition of "defunct."

 

Step 2: Learn to use the word properly.

 

In other words, the original orthography is alive and well all around the world, even in Armenia (see the Armenian Apostolic Church).

[Eurocentric]

Step 1: Please look up the definition of "defunct."

 

Step 2: Learn to use the word properly.

 

I only have one step for you, blow me!

 

In other words, the original orthography is alive and well all around the world, even in Armenia (see the Armenian Apostolic Church).

 

It's not taught in schools and has no official status in Armenia and that's all that matters. What the Church does or what foreigners do in their countries is not our problem.

[Gor-Gor]

I only have one step for you, blow me!

 

Well if you hadn't already convinced me of the superiority of Soviet orthography, you just did!

 

 

It's not taught in schools and has no official status in Armenia and that's all that matters. What the Church does or what foreigners do in their countries is not our problem.

 

The passage of one law will change all of that.

 

Oh, and I'm sure all Diasporans appreciate your characterization of them as "foreigners." Lovely.

Edited May 24, 2007 by Gor-Gor

[Eurocentric]

The passage of one law will change all of that.

 

When pigs learn to fly...

 

Oh, and I'm sure all Diasporans appreciate your characterization of them as "foreigners." Lovely.

 

Diasporans are cows that need to be milked for the fatherland. That's it, that's all.

[vahan79]

It sounds stupid too you because you don't see Turks or Arabs and their cultures or lack thereof as foreign and alien. They are your kin, so why should their linguistic influences bother you?

 

I don't care who you are or think you are, but we have more in common with Arabs and Turks, then we do with Russians and Romans. I don't see why you think it is okay to call one foreigner "foreign and alien" but embrace the rest. Armenians are a MIDDLE EASTERN (NOT European people). They are mentioned in the Bible, they are surrounded by other Middle Eastern people (Persians, Turks, etc.).

 

You are clearly racist and have some issues that need to be resolved.

 

Also, if you don't like Arab words being used in English, you better find alternatives for "alcohol" and "caliber" and "jar" and about 1000 other loan words in English from Arabic.

 

[Gor-Gor: I didn't get that the Parskahays had their own orthography. Also, I was confused because, as you pointed out, he mixes the Soviet stuff with the classical stuff. Also, his word choice is interesting, but I guess that'sa PH thing, too...I wasn't being critical, just curious, fyi to all]

 

 

[vahan79]

Well if you hadn't already convinced me of the superiority of Soviet orthography, you just did!

The passage of one law will change all of that.

 

Oh, and I'm sure all Diasporans appreciate your characterization of them as "foreigners." Lovely.

 

I wouldn't take him seriously. For one, because he is clearly NOT living in Armenia right now, so he's a hypocrite of sorts. But, most importantly, because he is obviously not the brightest candle in the chandelier.

[Eurocentric]

I don't care who you are or think you are,

 

You're my bitch, so you should know who I am.

 

but we have more in common with Arabs and Turks,

 

Didn't I just say that? We Armenians don't however.

 

I don't see why you think it is okay to call one foreigner "foreign and alien" but embrace the rest.

 

Because you're an idiot.

 

Armenians are a MIDDLE EASTERN (NOT European people).

 

No, you are a camel jockey, Armenians aren't. But then again what would possible product of rape from a desert know about Armanians?

 

They are mentioned in the Bible, they are surrounded by other Middle Eastern people (Persians, Turks, etc.).

 

What an imbecile.

 

You are clearly racist and have some issues that need to be resolved.

 

Correct.

 

Also, if you don't like Arab words being used in English, you better find alternatives for "alcohol" and "caliber" and "jar" and about 1000 other loan words in English from Arabic.

 

Why would I care what words are used in English?

 

[Gor-Gor: I didn't get that the Parskahays had their own orthography. Also, I was confused because, as you pointed out, he mixes the Soviet stuff with the classical stuff. Also, his word choice is interesting, but I guess that'sa PH thing, too...I wasn't being critical, just curious, fyi to all]

 

Vochkhar, they don't have their own orthography they just don't use the reformed spelling like the rest of the unlucky ones.

 

[Eurocentric]

I wouldn't take him seriously. For one, because he is clearly NOT living in Armenia right now, so he's a hypocrite of sorts. But, most importantly, because he is obviously not the brightest candle in the chandelier.

 

Pot, meet kettle.

[Էլիա]

Everything is wrong. Nothing is wrong with borrowing from Persian, Greek, Latin or Russian for that matter. Turkish is an alien Altaic language. The others are closely related IE languages. One is evolution, the former is degeneration. Nevermind the cultural and historical aspects...Shame. Same goes for the filthy animalistic Arabic.

Կը հասկնամ քու ատելութիւնդ թուրքերէնին հանդէպ, բայց մենակ բառը, որ հայերէնը փոխ առնեց թուրքերէնէն, «կոր»ն է (Արփաին համաձայն), եւ բոլոր արեւմտեան հայերը «կոր»ը չեն գործածեր: Եւ կը կարծեմ, որ մոռցար, որ արեւելեան հայերէնը ռուսերէնէն ու վրացերէնէն բառեր փոխ առած է: Հիմա, ռուսերը մեր թշնամիները չէի՞ն. վրացիները մեր թշնամիները չե՞ն (եւ եթէ չէիր գիտեր, վրացիները թրքական ընտանիքէն են): Մենք կրնա՛նք այս մանկական խաղերը խաղալ ու իրարու բարբառներուն նախատել, բայց հաճիս տեղեկութիւններ մի՛ շիներ, մինչեւ որ մեծնաս՝ ո՛չ տարիքով, բայց միտքով եւ վերաբերմունքով: Եւ եթէ ուրիշ ազգի մը կենդանի կը կանչես (թուրքերը բացառութիւն մըն են), կը կարծեմ, որ անունդ «Eurocentric» չ'ըլլար, բայց «Egocentric»: Նաեւ, չեմ կարծեր, որ անձեր կ'ուզեն մարդու մը լսել, ով ցեղապաշտ պնդատպող մըն է: Եթէ դուն իմ բարբառիս վրայ կը խնդաս՝ ես քուկդ վրան կը խնդամ: Գոհացա՞ր:

Edited May 25, 2007 by Էլիա

[Էլիա]

It sounds stupid too you because you don't see Turks or Arabs and their cultures or lack thereof as foreign and alien. They are your kin, so why should their linguistic influences bother you?

Դուն իրականութեամբ կը կարծե՞ս, որ մենք՝ արեւմտեան հայեր, թուրքերուն եւ արաբներուն հետ աւելի կապուած ենք քան թէ արեւելեան հայեր: Նոյնիսկ մենք իրենց հետ ապրեցանք, չըսել է, որ իրենց հետ ամուսնացանք ու զաւակ ունեցանք: Ի՞նք տեսակ հայ մը այս փիս գաղափարները կը շինէ: Եւ վերջը կ'ըսես, որ մենք անապատին մէջ միացանք թուրքերուն հետ. դուն բան մը գիտե՞ս: Գիտե՞ս անիկա ի՞նչ էր: Հայոց Ցեղասպանութիւնն էր: Ուրեմն, դուն արդեօք կ'ըսե՞ս, որ ամէն հայերը, որ Հայոց Ցեղասպանութեան մէջն էին, որ մեռան, որ կռուեցան, իրական հայեր չե՞ն: Ամօ՛թ քեզի: Քու ազգդ ամչցուցի՛ր: Մաքուր հայ մը այս տեսակ խօսքեր չ'ը՛սեր:

Edited May 25, 2007 by Էլիա

[Էլիա]

Why can't our so called Western Armenian brothres and sisters get out of the sewers of Istanbul and search for their roots in places like Sebastia, Kharberd, Moush, Sasun and yerevan?!!!

Արփա, պարզ հարցում մը ունիմ քեզի համար: Դուն հայոց պատմութիւն գիտե՞ս: «Աղտոտ հայերուն հողերը», որոնց մասին միշտ կը խօսիս, պատմական Հայաստանի հողերն են: Չե՞ս գիտեր, որ այդ հողերը Հայաստանին կը պատկանէին: Չե՞ս գիտեր, որ հայերուն արմատները Արարադ լեռի մէջն են, որ պատմական Հայաստանին կը պատկանի: Եթէ դուն իրաւ կը կարծես, որ մենք պէտք է մոռնանք պատմական Հայաստանի մասին, դուն Հայոց Ցեղասպանութիւնը կը հոգա՛ս, եւ չե՛ս կարծեր, որ Հայաստանը պէտք ունի պատմական Հայաստանին հողերը վերստանալ:

Edited May 25, 2007 by Էլիա

[vahan79]

You're my bitch, so you should know who I am.

 

 

 

Didn't I just say that? We Armenians don't however.

Because you're an idiot.

No, you are a camel jockey, Armenians aren't. But then again what would possible product of rape from a desert know about Armanians?

 

What an imbecile.

Correct.

Why would I care what words are used in English?

Vochkhar, they don't have their own orthography they just don't use the reformed spelling like the rest of the unlucky ones.

 

Okay, I don't know what your deal is, but you are nutso.

 

First off, you are not a Hayastantsi Armenian living in Armenia, so drop the "foreigners" bit. It's unbecoming.

 

Second, I am not a product of any rape. In fact, I can trace my ancestry back on BOTH sides for several generations. The only "mixing" I have with other peoples is my great, great, great, great grandmother who was Greek, but was adopted by an Armenian family in Constantinople. My father's entire side is from Yerevan and Sirave.

 

Third, I was born in Yerevan and have dual citizenship (Greek and Armenian). So, when you want to talk about "foreigners," I'd like to see YOUR passport to confirm where you are coming from. If you are a Hayastantsi who has moved to the states, I can bet you are trying desparately to convert that green card into a passport and will do so as soon as it's possible.

 

Fourth, Russians didn't give us anything but messed up orthography and a communist mentality that has turned Armenia into a country of rabiz's that come to the states and get in fights, drink, and drag down the Armenian name. THEN, we have Western Armenians trying to rebuild Armenia (paying for nicer roads, ensuring Karabagh's return to Armenia, etc.), but you want to deride them? What is wrong with you?

 

 

[vahan79]

Oh, and today I talked to my parents/family and I spoke all in Western, trying to use lots and lots of loan words from Turkish/Arabic. My aunt asked me why I was speaking Western and I told her I am protesting the ignorant posts of some people on this blog. At that point, my aunt tried to speak in Western (which was disastrous, but cute) and my dad even spoke in Western for the rest of the day. So many "gor's" were used and used proudly.

 

I have taken an oath to "fast" from Eastern Armenian in protest of this ignorance until a resolution is made.

 

[And yes, my mom corrected me like 10 times and loved every minute of it]

 

Okay, I am going crazy. Good night.

[Shahan Araradian]

In EA: "Yes hima man em galis."

 

EA requires an adverbial like "now" or "at the moment," like many other languages that do not have a specific tense for the present continuous. In other words, there is no need for "gor" in EA, and that's also why I don't see the need for it in WA either.

Hi Nairi,

 

Thank you for that insight. But I know it's possible to express a present continuous verb in Eastern Armenian. My question was for Western Armenian (please re-read the challenge). Therefore, already realize that "gor" is not required in E.A. I already gave an example earlier on how it's done in Eastern Armenian using "-ում եմ" like in "Ես վազում եմ" and "Դու վազում ես".

 

I claim that the "-gor" suffix is how it's done in Western Armenian; and that there's nothing wrong with this. The dialect is what it is. Using "-gor" is no worse or no better than using "-oom."

Edited May 25, 2007 by Shahan Araradian

[Shahan Araradian]

Right, but rabizoid slang is used by the rabiz alone. The former is used practically by all akhpars. That is those that actually prefer speaking Armenian and not Arabic.

 

Hayde lan peroujan...kaken khntaliq par eh...

What's the etymology of peroujan btw?

The examples you cite are street slang! They're not standard Western Armenian! I can give you similar examples of Eastern Armenian by speakers from Armenia or Iran, each with their own use of street terms.

 

We all know street slang exists. We all know it would be better if all Armenian spoken the STANDARD version of their dialect: be it Eastern Armenian or Western Armenian. But the reality is that not everyone knows the standard version of their dialect flawlessly (just like not every American knows English flawlessly). Also, it's quite normal for people to use slang; do you hear your coworkers speaking standard English all the time? I certainly don't!! And that's not desirable... Slang doesn't require a person to think so much about rules before they speak. And since humans in general don't like to think too much, hence the proliferation of slang.

 

Also, slang is cool. Slang is fun to speak. That's why we (at least I should speak for myself) speak it with friends sometimes even when we know standard Western/Eastern Armenian. You can meld the language in any way you want, adding some spice to it.

 

(Do you really get this upset when you hear Americans [kids or adults] say "what's up dude?", "Hey bro!", or "Yo!"? If yes, then you have an issue of tolerance. If not, then why do you get upset when some Armenians say "լան", "ծո" [used by Armenians from Gyumri, too], and more recently invented/evolved/adopted words -- in Lebanese Western Armenian street slang -- like "իփնէ", "ռէյիզ", "քէփըր", "ուազ-ուազ"?)

Edited May 25, 2007 by Shahan Araradian

[Shahan Araradian]

He's using the defunct archaic orthography.

LOL!

Edited May 25, 2007 by Shahan Araradian

[Shahan Araradian]

Thanks!

 

Hmm, I figured, but who does that? (and I am not sure it's all correct) It's weird, especially when no matter how you frame it, he is still using EA, which has been grammatically affected by Russian standardization processes. It wasn't just the spelling my friends!

Vahan,

Vartahoor is an Eastern Armenian from Iran. That means he speaks Eastern Armenian and uses the traditional Armenian Orthography (like the rest of the Armenian diaspora).

 

An Armenian from Armenia speaks Eastern Armenian and (most often) uses reformed Armenian Orthography.

Edited May 25, 2007 by Shahan Araradian

[Shahan Araradian]

Diasporans are cows that need to be milked for the fatherland. That's it, that's all.

Can't believe you just said that. It's like shooting yourself in the foot: both for your personal morality as well as for the wellness of Armenia.

 

I see Armenia as ONE nation: from the present-day Armenian country to the Armenian communities in Tehran, Isfahan, Beirut (including beautiful Bourj Hammoud), Anjar, Haleb, Damascus, Nicosia, Istanbul, Bulgaria, Athens, Thesaloniki, Milan, Lyon, Nice, Paris, Marseille, London, NY, NJ, Boston, Montreal, Toronto, Argentina, Venezuela, Houston, Phoenix, Fresno, LA, SF, and Sydney.

 

It's not only a physical nation. It's a virtual one. It even exists on the Internet, and HyeForum is one such community.

Edited May 25, 2007 by Shahan Araradian

[Shahan Araradian]

Oh, and today I talked to my parents/family and I spoke all in Western, trying to use lots and lots of loan words from Turkish/Arabic. My aunt asked me why I was speaking Western and I told her I am protesting the ignorant posts of some people on this blog. At that point, my aunt tried to speak in Western (which was disastrous, but cute) and my dad even spoke in Western for the rest of the day. So many "gor's" were used and used proudly.

 

I have taken an oath to "fast" from Eastern Armenian in protest of this ignorance until a resolution is made.

 

[And yes, my mom corrected me like 10 times and loved every minute of it]

 

Okay, I am going crazy. Good night.

Կեցցէ՛ ազատատենչ Վահանը:

[SAS]

I am walking (right now) = Yes kayloum em (hima).

I walk to school every day = Yes kayloume em deprotsin amen or.

He is walking to me = Im (or Indz) mot e kayloum.

He walks to me and I say hello to him = Im (or Indz) mot e kayloum yev yes nran barevoum em.

I walk to school every day = Yes kayloume em deprotsin amen or

Ի՞նչ է նշանակաում «ես քայլում եմ դպրոցին ամեն օր»... Գուցե նայո՞ւմ է

 

Հայերեն՝

 

ա) Ես ամեն օր գնում եմ դպրոց

բ) Ես ամեն օր դպրոց եմ գնում

գ) Ես գնում եմ դպրոց ամեն օր

դ) Ես գնում եմ ամեն օր դպրոց

ե) Ես դպրոց եմ գնում ամեն օր

զ) Ես դպրոց ամեն օր եմ գնում

 

Կամ՝

 

ա) Ես ամեն օր կ'երթամ դպրոց

բ) Ես ամեն օր դպրոց կ'երթամ

դ) Ես կ'երթամ դպրոց ամեն օր

գ) Ես կ'երթամ ամեն օր դպրոց

ե) Ես դպրոց կ'երթամ ամեն օր

զ) Ես դպրոց ամեն օր կ'երթամ

He is walking to me = Im (or Indz) mot e kayloum.

Հայերեն՝

 

Նա ինձ մոտ է գալիս

He walks to me and I say hello to him = Im (or Indz) mot e kayloum yev yes nran barevoum em.

Հայերեն՝

 

Նա ինձ մոտ է գալիս և ես նրան բարեվում եմ(բարեվ եմ տալիս):

 

Հ.Գ. Ինձ\մեզ\քեզ\ձեզ մոտ, վրա, պես, համար, նման ևլն և ոչ մի դեպքում իմ\մեր\քո\ձեր!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SAS]

Mr. self acclaimed grammarian and linguist, you should know by now that western armenian grammar is defective and there is no difference between the simple present tense and present continuous tense. There is also no «կրաւորական» in western armenian.

vartahoor- http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=15657: post #3

 

Մելամաղձոտ լըճակդ իմ,

Քեզ հետ ըլլա՜նք մըտերիմ,

Սիրեմ քեզի պես ես ալ

Գրավվիլ, լըռել ու խոկալ:

 

Արևմտահայերեն՝

 

գրավել-----> գրավՎԻԼ

տանջել----->տանջՎԻԼ

 

Ակռային ցավը Արամին շատ կը տանջե: Ակռային ցավեն Արամը շատ կը տանջվի:

 

Արևելահայերեն՝

 

գրավել-----> գրավՎԵԼ

տանջել----->տանջՎԵԼ

 

Ատամի ցավը Արամին շատ է տանջում: Ատամի ցավից Արամը շատ է տանջվում :

 

 

[vahan79]

I walk to school every day = Yes kayloume em deprotsin amen or

Ի՞նչ է նշանակաում «ես քայլում եմ դպրոցին ամեն օր»... Գուցե նայո՞ւմ է

 

Հայերեն՝

 

ա) Ես ամեն օր գնում եմ դպրոց

բ) Ես ամեն օր դպրոց եմ գնում

գ) Ես գնում եմ դպրոց ամեն օր

դ) Ես գնում եմ ամեն օր դպրոց

ե) Ես դպրոց եմ գնում ամեն օր

զ) Ես դպրոց ամեն օր եմ գնում

 

Կամ՝

 

ա) Ես ամեն օր կ'երթամ դպրոց

բ) Ես ամեն օր դպրոց կ'երթամ

դ) Ես կ'երթամ դպրոց ամեն օր

գ) Ես կ'երթամ ամեն օր դպրոց

ե) Ես դպրոց կ'երթամ ամեն օր

զ) Ես դպրոց ամեն օր կ'երթամ

He is walking to me = Im (or Indz) mot e kayloum.

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Նա ինձ մոտ է գալիս

He walks to me and I say hello to him = Im (or Indz) mot e kayloum yev yes nran barevoum em.

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Նա ինձ մոտ է գալիս և ես նրան բարեվում եմ(բարեվ եմ տալիս):

 

Հ.Գ. Ինձ\մեզ\քեզ\ձեզ մոտ, վրա, պես, համար, նման ևլն և ոչ մի դեպքում իմ\մեր\քո\ձեր!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

okay, cool. BUT, let me just say:

 

(1) You were translating something completely different. "Gnal" and "Gal" mean "go" and "come," obviously, and not "walk" which is what the question was. The meaning is different. You can tell this because you don't say HOW "I" go to school. Kaylum em? Vazum em? Mekanayov em gnum? That said, I'll admit the sentences do sound a little "awkward" with no context and also that adding "in" on "deprots" makes it more "toward school." But if someone said: "Inchpes es gnum deprots-uh", you could totally respond "yes kaylum em deprots-n amen or."

 

(2) The իմ\մեր\քո\ձեր are actually the "correct" versions (I hesitate to use this term because I don't believe in restrictive grammar that stiffles a language's growth). You can tell this because the "possessive" form is used for nouns, too (so it follows it would be used for pronounces). For instance: Seghani mot(table's near). Thus, it's "im mot" (my near), but yes, we say "indz mot", too. Both are "correct," though the իմ\մեր\քո\ձեր are the "more" correct versions that you would learn in school.

 

(3) Also, to clarify the "challenge," let me start by saying I think that "gor" is fine and dandy, BUT it is not really akin to "um" in EA. That's the confusion. It's not that EA has its own "gor" in "um", it's that EA doesn't have a "gor" at all.

 

SO. "Yes gnum em" is equivalent to "Yes g'ertam" AND to "Yes g'ertam gor". EA doesn't need a "gor", but that doesn't mean that WA doesn't. "Yes g'ertam" now has a gor-less sound, whereas "yes gnum em" (having never had a "gor" version) doesn't. That's why EA doesn't have/need, but WA now does. Which is okay! They don't have to be exactly the same! When we say "yes k'gnam" that is not the same as "yes g'ertam"...that to EA has a futuristic/subjunctive sound...in case that is the confusion.

 

My point is, there is no need for a challenge. WA can have its gor and eat it, too (okay, stupid joke), IRRESPECTIVE of whether or not EA has an equivalent version or not!

 

Yes, Arpa, in written WA you don't need the "gor" and may you don't really need it in WA, but why not have it? When WA speakers try to get all high and mighty about grammar and stop using "gor" they just sound stilted in their speech. In sum, "gor" rules!

 

 

 

[Arpa]

okay, cool. BUT, let me just say:

Yes, Arpa, in written WA you don't need the "gor" and may you don't really need it in WA, but why not have it? When WA speakers try to get all high and mighty about grammar and stop using "gor" they just sound stilted in their speech. In sum, "gor" rules!

Can you guys read English, Armenian? Or shall I write in Hebrew/ Sanskrit? Can you read at all?

How many times must I say that"kor/ԿՈՐ" is the istambuliazed/turkified form of our "K@/ԿԸ", as practiced by Sebastatisis and Hamshentsis among many others, that it is placed after that verb to give it a sense of continuity, as in "կը գրեմ կը", which, in Istanbul, that cradle of our culture, where Haig was born, where Tigran was born, where Mashtots was born and invented our AYP Pen Qim Ta, that the ԿԸ was bent to rhyme with the Tiurkish GeliYOR/GidiYOR/sikiYOR, k@ QAQNE KOR

Can we end this KOR business and if we profess that St. Mesrop was born in historical Armenia and not in Isnbul, let us do waht the real Armenians did before we bastradized our language in Istanbul, and if me must use an article to impart a present continuous tense to our verbs, let us do waht the Sebastatsis, Hamshentsis and Kharberdtsis, and a million other "tsis" did, and write "ԿԸ ԳՐԵՄ ԿԸ/I AM WRITING"

Forget that istanbulqaqa gidiyor/geliyor GOR GOR GOR GOR, let us once again, after a thousand yers recLaim our real ARMENIAN culture and heritage and let THEM drown in the sewers of Istanbul.

Can you guys read Armenian or English, or shall I write in the language of Mehmet?

Edited May 25, 2007 by Arpa

[Arpa]

Արփա, պարզ հարցում մը ունիմ քեզի համար: Դուն հայոց պատմութիւն գիտե՞ս: «Աղտոտ հայերուն հողերը», որոնց մասին միշտ կը խօսիս, պատմական Հայաստանի հողերն են: Չե՞ս գիտեր, որ այդ հողերը Հայաստանին կը պատկանէին: Չե՞ս գիտեր, որ հայերուն արմատները Արարադ լեռի մէջն են, որ պատմական Հայաստանին կը պատկանի: Եթէ դուն իրաւ կը կարծես, որ մենք պէտք է մոռնանք պատմական Հայաստանի մասին, դուն Հայոց Ցեղասպանութիւնը կը հոգա՛ս, եւ չե՛ս կարծեր, որ Հայաստանը պէտք ունի պատմական Հայաստանին հողերը վերստանալ:

Էլիա, we love you. Please "remain faithful". , I just stole the nickname of of one our members.

Այո ես շատ լաւ Հայոց Պատմութիւն գիտեմ. Ոչ թէ միայն այն որ քո վարդապետները քեզ կուսուցանեն այլ շատ աւելին. Եւ լեզուականօրէն խօսելով, երեւի ես աւելի հմուտ էմ թե Հայերէնի եւ թե Անգլիերէնի, մի կողմ մի կարք մը այլ լեզուներ.

Dear Elia, can you please elaborate?

You are urging me to learn Armenian History?

Did you understand what I said above?

Did not I say, to get the hell out of Istanbul, be it historically, culturally and linguistically and instead concentrate on Sasu, Moush and Van.

Alright, teach me hitory. When was Istanbul part of Armenia by even a thousand miles?

Go back and find my thread of "MAYRAQAGHAQ" and tell us when Istanbul was a "mayraqaghaq" of Armenia. And tell us where Halep, Beirut or Glendale were capital cities of Armenia. If you were to suggest that Tigranakert, Kars, or Ani, not to forget Erebuni once again become our "mayraqaghaq" I'll go with you all the way, but no force, not all the gods of Armenia will ever force me to even set a foot in Istanbul.

Խնդրեմ ուշ դիր եւ տես թէ մեզմէ ոմանք, շատեր արդէն եղած են այդ բոլոր տեղերը որ դու պիտի այցելես, թէ մենք վերադառնանք այդ ճանապարհէն որ դու տակաւին պիտի ճամբորդես: Եւ պիտի սովորիս որ այդ ճանապարհը լիք է խոչնդոտներով potholes/obstacles որոնք այդտեղ զետեղուած են մեր ոսոխների կողմէ: Գուցէ պիտի հարց տաս թէ ինչու ես երբեմն գրեմ այսպէս կոչուած Արեւելա/ Արեւմտա հայերէնով: Պատասխանը? Ես ծոյլ եմ եւ դիմեմ ամենակարճ ձեւին; Օրինակ մինջ այս դու պիտի անպայման տեսած ըլլաս իմ ալլեերժին/ զգայնումը ի դէպ “ութիւն”: Ինչպէս Յարութիւնը աւելի գերազանց է Յարումին? Սա բառը հիմնուած է Յառնէլ Ելնել կանքնել գալ to come as in “արի“. The Ր becomes Ռ when placed before the N as in արիւն /առնանման Why? I don’t know. Is it because at one time the Ր was elided to Y as in the Zeitun and Hamshen dialect? That is, was it pronounced as “aynanman” instead of “arnanman”?

So! Shoot me. Hang me for jumping to XYZ/ Ւ Փ Ք assuming that the general reader already knows the ABC/ Ա Բ Գ of our culture.

Edited May 25, 2007 by Arpa

[Shahan Araradian]

Can you guys read English, Armenian? Or shall I write in Hebrew/ Sanskrit? Can you read at all?

How many times must I say that"kor/ԿՈՐ" is the istambuliazed/turkified form of our "K@/ԿԸ", as practiced by Sebastatisis and Hamshentsis among many others, that it is placed after that verb to give it a sense of continuity, as in "կը գրեմ կը", which, in Istanbul, that cradle of our culture, where Haig was born, where Tigran was born, where Mashtots was born and invented our AYP Pen Qim Ta, that the ԿԸ was bent to rhyme with the Tiurkish GeliYOR/GidiYOR/sikiYOR, k@ QAQNE KOR

Can we end this KOR business and if we profess that St. Mesrop was born in historical Armenia and not in Isnbul, let us do waht the real Armenians did before we bastradized our language in Istanbul, and if me must use an article to impart a present continuous tense to our verbs, let us do waht the Sebastatsis, Hamshentsis and Kharberdtsis, and a million other "tsis" did, and write "ԿԸ ԳՐԵՄ ԿԸ/I AM WRITING"

Forget that istanbulqaqa gidiyor/geliyor GOR GOR GOR GOR, let us once again, after a thousand yers recLaim our real ARMENIAN culture and heritage and let THEM drown in the sewers of Istanbul.

Can you guys read Armenian or English, or shall I write in the language of Mehmet?

This middle-aged Eastern Armenian man (Arpa) thinks that by REPEATING his same THEORY (which we have debunked) a hundred times to three Western Armenians under the age of 25 (Elia, Gor Gor, and I) he can convince us that the Western Armenian language is "bad", that it is Turkified, and that we should be ashamed of it. But guess what? We can choose to do the same with Eastern Armenian and its influence from Moscow and Tiflis -- after all, the greatest Eastern Armenian intellectuals of the 19th to early 20th century who created standard Eastern Armenian resided in Tiflis and studied in Moscow! But we (Western Armenians here - Elia, Gor Gor, and I) don't make this claim, even though we can. Why don't we? OUT OF MUTUAL RESPECT and HUMANITY!

 

So, who is this Arpa? Doesn't he have anything better to do, especially when his THEORY has already been debunked by Vahan79? Perhaps a family to raise? Be involved in an Armenian community organization?... CREATE and BUILD Armenian organizations as Western Armenians have been doing for decades in the Armenian Diaspora?

 

We are Western Armenians, and we are proud of the Western Armenian language we speak. We don't claim that the Western Armenian language is superior to Eastern Armenian, and recognize that BOTH Western Armenian and Eastern Armenian have diverged and evolved from the SAME Classical Armenian over centuries (in Phonology, Morphology, Orthography, and sometimes Vocabulary). Both languages have EQUAL standing, as they are both creations of humans....

 

And "-GOR" has legitimate usage in Western Armenian, as does "-OOM" in Eastern Armenian, both for expressing a present continuous tense.

 

Our resolve to speak, cherish, and use the Western Armenian language only INCREASES when confronted which such Eastern Armenian imbeciles as Arpa, who claim superiority of Eastern Armenian and who though have grown physically, are still very juvenile and immature in their social interactions and approach to life.

 

Respect your fellow Armenian's language, so that you in turn are respected. This is an example of the Golden Rule of life.

 

And if you're not going to respect your fellow human and Armenian, then you have no place in this online discussion. You already have nothing valuable to add to this discussion, because you simply continue to parrot your same RACIST theories (toward Western Armenians), even after they have been debunked.

 

You have been revealed as an Eastern Armenian racist towards Western Armenians as evidenced in your comments above, as well as an imbecile for not being able to partake in an academic discussion -- resorting to personal attacks and repeating the same self-created theories which we have already debunked.

 

The only way you can redeem your honor is by treating your fellow Armenians with respect from now on.

Edited May 25, 2007 by Shahan Araradian