Nakharar Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 I'm willing to bet that Michael Schiavo is going to be put down by one of those "pro-lifers". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 What about her dignity? Did she deserve to be recognized all over the world as that helpless woman in vegetative state with her mouth always open. Does anyone deserve that? style_images/master/snapback.png Someone passing is a personal experience, one that every family has a right to go through without further encumberances. The fact that this turned into a media and political circus is the saddest part of it all. My heart goes out to Terry, who merely wanted to go in peace... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Does anyone have a testimony of what Terry Schiavo would have wanted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Bush and Co.'s caring about this is indeed hypocrisy. I rather recently read an article regarding Bush's track record on the issue when he was in charge of his post in Texas - boy does life change people. Unfortunately at this time I do not have the article. Hopefully as usual I'll turn up with it sometime. style_images/master/snapback.png I haven't found the article, but the law in question is the Texas Futile Care Law. And there's a mother named Wanda Hudson. Regardless of her mental status, she wasn't allowed to keep her son alive, with the committee citing her 6-month-old son's painful condition as reason. Can I be blamed if I doubt that Bush wouldn't have changed his position if Schiavo were in pain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dianjan Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Getting back to Shiavo, all I have to say is this: It's an oxymoron at best when a society puts someone like Jack Kevorkian in jail, while they allow someone to starve to death. Why isn't a more humane alternative than starvation 'legal'? I mean, how much more could one suffer than to die of thirst and starvation? It's truly horrible. And just to clarify - the question here isn't "should she be forced to live, or left to die" - it's obvious now that the choice has been made in favour of the latter. Now the question is "how is she to die?" Starvation? That would be right there at the the tail end of my list, along with flesh-eating disease and drowning in hot cooking oil. style_images/master/snapback.png I can't agree with you more. In a way I feel that she is finally free of everything now. But, the debate continues about who gets to make those decisions and how is a person supposed to die. It's amazing to me that a serial killer on a death row is being executed, gets a very easy injection and is dead within seconds. However, a poor woman who did nothing wrong, was starved to death. I also, can't even imagine what her parents felt, watching their daughter starve to death. Also, it's my personal oppinion that as long as someone's parents are alive, they need to make the decision if she lives or dies. They gave her life, not her husband. Her husband does not care about her, he is already living with someone else and has 2 children with another woman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wh00t Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 (edited) Now the question is "how is she to die?" Starvation? That would be right there at the the tail end of my list, along with flesh-eating disease and drowning in hot cooking oil. style_images/master/snapback.png To be fair, she dehydrated to death and not starved. The "starvation" belief is (liberal?) media spin to make the situation appear to be worse than it is. Does anyone have a testimony of what Terry Schiavo would have wanted? Only the sworn testimony of her husband and two other people to whom Terri expressed her wish to die in the circumstances. I haven't found the article, but the law in question is the Texas Futile Care Law. And there's a mother named Wanda Hudson. Regardless of her mental status, she wasn't allowed to keep her son alive, with the committee citing her 6-month-old son's painful condition as reason. Can I be blamed if I doubt that Bush wouldn't have changed his position if Schiavo were in pain? More about that here: http://www.democrats.com/node/3941 What the article neglects to mention is that the family's inability to pay for the life-support is also taken into account when making the decision. So much for compassionate conservatism. Edited April 1, 2005 by wh00t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dianjan Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 To be fair, she dehydrated to death and not starved. The "starvation" belief is (liberal?) media spin to make the situation appear to be worse than it is. You may be right. I don't know if she was starved or dehydrated. But I don't see a difference. It's still a horrible way to be put to death. Serial killers and other death row inmates should suffer like that, and not her. That's cruel and unusual punishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wh00t Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 You may be right. I don't know if she was starved or dehydrated. But I don't see a difference. It's still a horrible way to be put to death. Serial killers and other death row inmates should suffer like that, and not her. That's cruel and unusual punishment. style_images/master/snapback.png No doubt that neither is a pleasant way to go, but saying someone is starving to death conjures up more negative imagery than saying that they are dehydrating. God forbid we get Kevorkian to inject some chemicals into her and have her pass away peacefully and instantly.. that would be euthanasia! And we can't have that now can we? The pro-life people would rather see her wither away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dianjan Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 No doubt that neither is a pleasant way to go, but saying someone is starving to death conjures up more negative imagery than saying that they are dehydrating. God forbid we get Kevorkian to inject some chemicals into her and have her pass away peacefully and instantly.. that would be euthanasia! And we can't have that now can we? The pro-life people would rather see her wither away. style_images/master/snapback.png Exactly. America is a very hypocritical country. Some of the views of others I just don't get. I think in this situation, euthanasia, would've been the most dignifying way to go for her. The world wouldn't have to watch her wither away for 2 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 (edited) The beautiful Terri Schiavo got that way by eating and purging. The overweight unnattractive Terri Scihavo did not purge. The whole system is faulty. We are encouraged to eat, eat, eat, yet women are expected to be slim and sexy and men are expected to be firm and trim (especiallly in body-conscious California). Corporate food producers have been given too much of a free hand in the US. McDonalds is making millions feeding America crap. Both the recent McDonald's President and the owner's widow died prematurely eating that crap every day. America is a sick society. Terri Schiavo had no enamel on the back of her teeth and her stomach lining was damaged at the time of her initial seizure. These are classic signs of bulimia. Edited April 1, 2005 by phantom22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dianjan Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 The beautiful Terri Schiavo got that way by eating and purging. The overweight unnattractive Terri Scihavo did not purge. The whole system is faulty. We are encouraged to eat, eat, eat, yet women are expected to be slim and sexy and men are expected to be firm and trim (especiallly in body-conscious California). Corporate food producers have been given too much of a free hand in the US. McDonalds is making millions feeding America crap. Both the recent McDonald's President and the owner's widow died prematurely eating that crap every day. America is a sick society. Terri Schiavo had no enamel on the back of her teeth and her stomach lining was damaged at the time of her initial seizure. These are classic signs of bulimia. style_images/master/snapback.png I agree with you, but I don't think you can blame it on the fast food industry. People aren't forced to go in there and eat that crap. They chose to do so. The reason why she was in that state, is a totally different debate, and it's really sad to see young girls purging or starving themselves so that they can fit into size 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted May 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2005 Terri Schiavo and her story have captured the attention of the world for over 2 weeks we did not even know such thinks can happen till Terri Schiavo’s story was televised Back then it was hard for me to decide if it was ok for her to bee “stay” alive or not will we all know the outcome of the story Now I have a problem Something that has been hunting me for the last 15+ days A voice of an old Armenia Lady – d@ghas Asonts @ese togh Amusnus qichig m@ Udeliq dan Even now it’s in my head – it’s not going a way no matter haw hard I tray – t@ghas inq@ jishde 97 daregan e – amma Sird@ lav e – Hoqin lav e - Qich m@ Tansyon une - amma lav e, asonts @ese togh tsqen geragur dam iren Was in Huntington memorial Hospital for 3 days had some problems , getting ready to get transferred to Glendale Memorial Hospital for an surgery …. Was walking to the nurses office to see if my transfer is ready wan an older lady approached me – t@ghas tun hos hivant es m@ chene bashtonya – Voch miyrig pashtonya chem. – d@ghas g@rnas as axchikin indzi hamar tarqmanes panm@ - Iyo anshusht inch e petq - @ghas Asonts @ese togh Amusnus qichig m@ Udeliq dan, tsqen or yes dunen udeliq perem - OK mayrig hima @esem - told the nurs that the Mr. Avedis at room 32.. was hungry and need’s some food, if it was ok for eth wife to bring some for him or if she can order some - we cant gave him any food, his not in the condition …. Told the old lady that he can’t have any food at this time, - E anang e ne togh Systema t@Nen - told the nurs can’t he havea systema Iv ?? – No we have been instructed by his doctor to disconnect and discontinue everything -you know his not doing good the lady is telling me that he need’s some food & help -his close to 100 years old and …….. - soooo your going to let him ?? … your not going to keep hem alive ?is that what your telling me ? -Will ser it’s not up to me, those war his doctors instructions -- Have translate the conversation and was trying to not tell the lady that the nurse cant help – we need to talk to his doctor …. - d@ghas Sird@ lav e , TAnsyon@ lav e , pan m@ @esem ne mdig gne – dh@ghas Avedis@ 97 daregan e , d@ghas Avedis@ Goniciden antser e turqen paxadz hos yeger e – hima sa qristonya amerigatsin iren bid spane - d@ghas pan m@ @ese I could not talk – could not say a word - was grasping for some air….. Finely got hold of my self and asked the nurse to call the doctor over, this way the lady can get some answers …. Told the lady to call over her kids and family to talk to the doctor …. She shook her had and walked away … The nurse approached me and told me that Mr. Avedis has been in this state of mind for 7 or 10 days that the doctors cant do much for him… after 10 minutes my brother showed up at the nurses office - and his first words was the lady at 32.. room has aksed him to tell the nurse that her husband Baron Avedis is hungry .. he needs some food . I asked the nurse to contact the relatives of Baron Avedis, or have the doctor talk to them …. Soon after some relatives showed up , then the doctor came in .. the onld lady keep on pointing on me and the nurse, by this time my Transfer was ready…I left the hospital but for the last 15 days it’s in my head d@ghas Ban m@ @erre How can you not help her such a nice lady - her voice .. ………… axxxxxxxxxxxxxxx still in mind But at the same time haw to you help them ??? what can you do for them … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wh00t Posted May 21, 2005 Report Share Posted May 21, 2005 MosJan that is a sad tale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted May 21, 2005 Report Share Posted May 21, 2005 maybe it was his last wish, to eat a home cooked meal before death. I have a similar story, when someone dear to me, my father was diying, at his last days he was asking me to take him to his home, just a glips and smell the room he lived in, now I have to live rest of my life with guilt for not taking him home, I couldent, was imposible. same here.....what to do, how not to do............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted May 22, 2005 Report Share Posted May 22, 2005 (edited) Why have the results of Terri Schiavo's autopsy not been revealed? That would put all this in a better perspective. Edited May 22, 2005 by phantom22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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