Terri Schiavo

[Arpa]

SHE HAS DIED

 

MAY SHE REST IN PEACE

 

One of the most painful stories of quite some time.

[Azat]

I have to say that I am once again disgusted by the religious folks who were SOOOOO against the cutting of the feeding tube of this woman who is like a vegetable yet have NO issue with sending young men to Iraq to get butchered.

[Nakharar]

This whole episode shows how low mankind has sunk.

 

I hope Michael Schiavo is happy now.

[armjan]

I have to say that I am once again disgusted by the religious folks who were SOOOOO against the cutting of the feeding tube of this woman who is like a vegetable yet have NO issue with sending young men to Iraq to get butchered.

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feeding tube up terri's nose, life support.

feeding tube up pope's nose, nurishment.

[ExtraHye]

Azat jan, I’m not very religious nor approve of what’s going on in Iraq. But what they did with this young lady was plan wrong. I’m sure there were other means of handling this situation. The only reason why the government didn’t want to keep her alive was because they thought it’s a lot more important to use the tax money on the Iraq war then on this girl. Okay, I understand she was in vegetative state. Then why couldn’t they have given her a shot, and taken her out of this misery faster? Oh, I know why, that would of meant that Dr. Kevorkian “The death doctor” was on something and the government would have to admit they were wrong in sending him to jail. Edited March 31, 2005 by ExtraHye

[Nakharar]

On top of that all of Dr. Kevorkian's "patients" were in a conscious state asking to be put to death. With this going on Dr. Kevorkian's jail sentence is superfluous now.

[ED]

Amy giving her a shot would have been a murder, letting her to die naturally is the most humane thing could have been done for this poor women. They should never insert a feeding tube on a brain dead person in a first place; she was kept like a vegetable for what? Who benefited? Doctors and screwed up medical system.

 

Congressman and Bush should be impeached for getting involved.

[MosJan]

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[Arvestaked]

On top of that all of Dr. Kevorkian's "patients" were in a conscious state asking to be put to death. With this going on Dr. Kevorkian's jail sentence is superfluous now.

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No. Legally there is a difference between killing and not supporting.

[Nakharar]

Depriving her of food doesn't seem like a natural way to die. In that case giving her the shot would be much more humane even though it is murder.

[Bakersfieldian]

I have mixed feelings about the whole situation.

 

Dehydration combined with starvation is one of the worst ways to die.

 

If I did that to my dog I would be in jail.

 

Also, it reminds me of Stalin and the millions he did that to.

 

The husband's situation appeared to be a huge conflict of interest as well.

 

On the other hand;

 

The evidence seems to support that Terri wanted her life ended if she was ever in such a situation. (I know her parents and brother say otherwise but many others including friends and cousins said that's what she told them.)

 

I don't think there could be any answer that would make everyone happy in this tragedy.

[Stormig]

Bush and Co.'s caring about this is indeed hypocrisy. I rather recently read an article regarding Bush's track record on the issue when he was in charge of his post in Texas - boy does life change people. Unfortunately at this time I do not have the article. Hopefully as usual I'll turn up with it sometime.

[Azat]

Movses that is not a question that any one of us can answer. that is a question only immediate family can answer.

 

Extra, no the government did everything to keep her alive but they were not successful. Plus the money spent on her in the grand schema of things is a drop in the bucket.

 

I agree with all who say that there should have been a more sane way to end her life then to starve her to heath. But I am in the side that believes keeping her alive was no use.(sorry I know it sounds harsh)

 

Arvestaked is right, you cant just inject her with medicine to murder her. there is a big difference in letting her die then to kill her

[Harut]

Azat, mi posti mej amen inch asetsir... sovamah anel@ sxal a, srskel spanel@ sxal a, voghj pahel@ sxal a... ha ba inchn a jisht? tanein poghots qaylatsnein, @ngner meqenayi tak merner?

[Anileve]

I have to say that I am once again disgusted by the religious folks who were SOOOOO against the cutting of the feeding tube of this woman who is like a vegetable yet have NO issue with sending young men to Iraq to get butchered.

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I've mentioned the exact same thing the other day. And another thing....When animals are terminally ill and are suffering, it is usually more humane to put them to sleep to end their torture and let them go with dignity. With people the same rule doesn't apply for some reason, to see them suffer but to keep them alive. However, dogs and cats never give us their consent to put them to sleep but we do it without asking, and somehow we are not looked at as murderers. People are freaking hypocrites.

[Azat]

Harut, I am a big fan of euthanasia, however I was trying to state that by law in the US it is considered murder.

[wh00t]

I have to say that I am once again disgusted by the religious folks who were SOOOOO against the cutting of the feeding tube of this woman who is like a vegetable yet have NO issue with sending young men to Iraq to get butchered.

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Also what about the death penalty? The people who are most in favour of keeping this woman alive also support capital punishment... isn't that an end-all argument for the "life at all costs" position?

[Azat]

yap. agree on that as well. it is hypocritical

[vava]

 

[Harut]

Subject: love this advanced directive

 

From the St. Petersburg Times....

 

Living will is the best revenge

 

By ROBERT FRIEDMAN, Perspective Editor

Published March 27, 2005

 

Like many of you, I have been compelled by recent events to prepare a

more detailed advance directive dealing with end-of-life issues. Here's

what mine says:

 

* In the event I lapse into a persistent vegetative state, I want

medical authorities to resort to extraordinary means to prolong my

hellish semiexistence. Fifteen years wouldn't be long enough for me.

 

* I want my wife and my parents to compound their misery by engaging in

a bitter and protracted feud that depletes their emotions and their bank

accounts.

 

* I want my wife to ruin the rest of her life by maintaining an

interminable vigil at my bedside. I'd be really jealous if she waited

less than a decade to start dating again or otherwise rebuilding a

semblance of a normal life.

 

* I want my case to be turned into a circus by losers and crackpots from

around the country who hope to bring meaning to their empty lives by

investing the same transient emotion in me that they once reserved for

Laci Peterson, Chandra Levy and that little girl who got stuck in a

well.

 

* I want those crackpots to spread vicious lies about my wife.

 

* I want to be placed in a hospice where protesters can gather to bring

further grief and disruption to the lives of dozens of dying patients

and families whose stories are sadder than my own.

 

* I want the people who attach themselves to my case because of their

deep devotion to the sanctity of life to make death threats against any

judges, elected officials or health care professionals who disagree with

them.

 

* I want the medical geniuses and philosopher kings who populate the

Florida Legislature to ignore me for more than a decade and then turn my

case into a forum for weeks of politically calculated bloviation.

 

* I want total strangers - oily politicians, maudlin news anchors,

ersatz friars and all other hangers-on - to start calling me "Bobby," as

if they had known me since childhood.

 

* I'm not insisting on this as part of my directive, but it would be

nice if Congress passed a "Bobby's Law" that applied only to me and

ignored the medical needs of tens of millions of other Americans without

adequate health coverage.

 

* Even if the "Bobby's Law" idea doesn't work out, I want Congress -

especially all those self-described conservatives who claim to believe

in "less government and more freedom" - to trample on the decisions of

doctors, judges and other experts who actually know something about my

case. And I want members of Congress to launch into an extended debate

that gives them another excuse to avoid pesky issues such as national

security and the economy.

 

* In particular, I want House Majority Leader Tom DeLay to use my case

as an opportunity to divert the country's attention from the mounting

political and legal troubles stemming from his slimy misbehavior.

 

* And I want Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist to make a mockery of his

Harvard medical degree by misrepresenting the details of my case in ways

that might give a boost to his 2008 presidential campaign.

 

* I want Frist and the rest of the world to judge my medical condition

on the basis of a snippet of dated and demeaning videotape that should

have remained private.

 

* Because I think I would retain my sense of humor even in a persistent

vegetative state, I'd want President Bush - the same guy who publicly

mocked Karla Faye Tucker when signing off on her death warrant as

governor of Texas - to claim he was intervening in my case because it is

always best "to err on the side of life."

 

* I want the state Department of Children and Families to step in at the

last moment to take responsibility for my well-being, because nothing

bad could ever happen to anyone under DCF's care.

 

 

* And because Gov. Jeb Bush is the smartest and most righteous human

being on the face of the Earth, I want any and all of the aforementioned

directives to be disregarded if the governor happens to disagree with

them. If he says he knows what's best for me, I won't be in any position

to argue.

 

 

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Have a nice day!!!!

[Harut]

03.27.05

 

Law Enforcement Officers Tell Bush to Open Criminal Investigation In Schiavo Case

 

Officer Jack McLamb (ret), the highest decorated police officer in the history of Phoenix, AZ, has joined with active and retired law enforcement officers asking Florida’s Gov. Jeb Bush to open a criminal investigation in the case of Terri Schindler-Schiavo, the disabled Florida woman who probate judge George W. Greer has sentenced to death by starvation and dehydration because she uses a feeding tube.

 

McLamb is founder of the American Citizens and Lawmen’s Association (ACLA), publisher of Aid and Abet Police and Military Newsletter. He is a former hostage negotiator for the FBI.

 

His letter to Gov. Bush follows:

 

 

Dear Governor Bush,

 

We active and retired, law enforcement police investigators, after reviewing the facts, evidence, witness statements, and investigative leads, in the Terri

Schiavo case have come to the determination that there must be a criminal investigation into the Schiavo case.

 

Our examination have caused we professional police investigators, to determine that there is evidence, witness statements (medical professionals and others)

that point to the strong probability that the victim/witness Terri Schiavo was violently attacked on the day of her injuries and this is likely what caused her disability. There are medical professionals who substantiate that Mrs. Schiavo was strangled and the blood was cut off to her brain for at least 4 to 5 minutes causing her brain damage. X-rays show that she received broken bones and other injuries on or around the same time as her alleged health problem on the day in question.

 

Testimony of witnesses state her husband Mr. Schiavo, even though being a trained nurse and did not start CPR at the scene of his wife's collapse. The emergency personal started CPR after they arrived which was some time after the "injuries" occurred.

 

We have assessed the person of Mr. Schiavo thought the witness statements of professional medical personal who have come in contact with him. Most of these witnesses have had contact with him in the medical or Hospice environment where his wife has been warehoused over the last decade. We say "warehoused" after much research into the total lack of rehab and medical treatment for

health problems such as infections, which he had demanded of the medical staff in each of these facilities.

 

Additionally, a true detriment to any criminal investigation conducted after Mrs. Schiavo dies, is that Mr. Schiavo has scheduled a cremation of her body

immediately after her death.

 

Governor Bush, we are concerned that the best evidence, witness statements, in any criminal investigation into alleged criminal attempted murder, capital assault and continued abuse, will die with Mrs. Schiavo. We also believe this is why Mr. Schiavo has had to turn down millions of dollars from donors, if he would but place Mrs. Schiavo's care into the hands of her family because of his concern that she may live and tell what happened to her on that fateful day. According to witnesses who spent months with Mrs. Schiavo, she could and did communicate with them during their duty hours at the Hospice centers.

Mr. Schiavo told these medical professionals he was wanting her to die. He also would cuss and say "Isn't that Bitch dead yet" and other words of disdain for his wife.

 

As you have heard, several professional medical nurses state that Mrs. Schiavo also ate and drank liquids during their tour of duty.

 

Governor Bush, this means that Mrs. Schiavo could be a witness to any possible crimes committed against her. Of course this will not be an option if she dies in the next hours. Our police investigators have read the witness statement of another professional medical staff member who said that on at least two occasions she and others believes that Mr. Schiavo tried to kill his wife while

he was in her room with the doors closed. These witnesses and investigative leads must be interviewed.

 

Governor Bush, we do not know what a full investigation into this case will determine, except we can be certain that more facts and evidence, will be discovered. But, one thing we are certain of, we police investigators need a

hero at this time to save the life of the prime witness and possible victim in this case. We are asking you to be that hero.

 

You do have the jurisdiction and power to start a criminal investigation into this case and suspend the death sentence of the prime witness.

 

Governor Bush, this is off subject, but it is a subject we lawmen know something about and we wish to share this with you. In the life of a man there are a few times when he is called on by the people to do something heroic. As you know, because of fear, most people pass up those very few opportunities to do what is right and be a hero of the people. This is why we see so few Americans in the

history books.

 

We don't have to tell you historically (even recent history) of men in high office who have answered the call to be a hero of the people. Yes, very few. But, some were governors who went on to gain higher office because of the

people's love and support for that heroic figure.

 

Governor Bush, do you know that the Pope and the Vatican have mentioned Mrs.Schiavo's terrible crucifixion here in this Easter week with her mother Mary nearby, and some Priests have now begun to reference it to the crucifixion

of a innocent man Jesus Christ, while His mother (Mary) stood nearby in anguish. Remember, Terri is a catholic and so is her family. You can be assured that most Catholics are going to side with the Pope.

 

Governor, very large Protestant organizations are on the side of saving Mrs. Schiavo's life until further tests can be accomplished and she can have real rehab to see if she can improve.

 

We have a letter of a very large national Jewish organization that wants Mrs. Schiavo saved. We can make all this available to you and your staff. But, Mrs. Shiavo's website has most of this material on it at www.terrisfight.org.

 

What we law enforcement officers wish to point out to you is that we professional investigators have our reasons to save this woman's life, i.e. we because she is a very important witness and the possible victim of a capitol

crime, but the world has heard of this case at this time. We even have a news article from a big Russia publication about American politicians letting a innocent women starve to death.

 

Governor Bush, the world and certainly most Americans want a hero today....this hour. The person who saves Mrs. Schiavo's life and gives her due process and a chance to tell her story of what actually happened to her will go down in history books. It is also true that after the books come out, and this story gets out about the facts, evidence of the conspiracy of government against this

innocent young women.... the people who allow her to die will also go down in history. It will mean the downfall of some in high places for their not wanting to step up and do their duty to protect the people and bring to justice

those who were the possible suspects in her demise.

 

Sir, I know that we are only law enforcement officers, but doubt us not, collectively we have been around a long time and know what we are talking about. There are already those in Hollywood who we know that are interested in the evidence and witness's into Terri Schiavo's side of this story.

 

Mel Gibson has issued a public letter on his own stationary to have our government leaders save her life. Some of our police association members are in contact with him and his family.

 

Governor, you are a good man. You could be a great man. There is no question this is a international situation and a heart warmer for any hero who steps forward to save this innocent, who "Pontious Pilate" (government leaders) has washed his hands of....here in this Easter week.

 

We police investigators look at all criminal cases as ...."does this case have jury appeal". Dear Governor, if any case has it.... this case has jury (massive public appeal).

 

Not only do you have the law on your side (one example - Judge Greer violated three state of Florida statutes in not defending Mrs. Schiavo as a disabled person when he pulled the tube of Mrs. Schiavo) ...we have the State Statutes, ....but you have Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson and other great leaders on your side. These great men and others, on numerous occasions, have stated that

the three areas of government, Executive, Judicial and Legislative, are to be separate and equal. You have publicly taken a lower and subordinate position to the judiciary - when this is not the case.

 

We criminal police investigators (and your Florida State Police) offer you a sound reason to be the people's hero and stop this young woman's horrible death thought dehydration, i.e.... THERE MUST BE A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION INTO THIS CASE BEFORE THE PRIME WITNESS DIES! There are too many unanswered questions! Some of them may be criminal!

 

Governor Bush, you have your future before you, however some of that future may be linked to a young innocent who will die on your watch in the next few hours or days.

 

We believe in you, and we, along with millions of Americans, pray you will do the right thing, save a life, secure your witness... and be the people's hero.

We need a hero today.

 

Thank you for your efforts on behalf of all the people, even the weak and disabled.

 

Very sincerely,

Law officer Jack McLamb, Ret.

President of the American Citizens & Lawmen Association.

 

http://www.theempirejournal.com/327902_law...nt_officers.htm

[Azat]

what a bunch of A-holes. Maybe after we bring murder charges against all the judges who give people the death penalty and presidents who kill 1000s of people we can go after this guy Edited April 1, 2005 by Azat

[DominO123]

I voted no! With a but. I believe that if US courts have refused the revert the decision, and knowing their Extrem Right religious policies, if even they have decided it, I would think the cases here is about someone that I would consider already dead.

 

wh00t point was a good one, those same protesting to maintain her alive, are as well those that support death penality, hypocrits.

[Accelerated]

Im just glad its over and Im sure it has given some sort of closure to the husband and the rest of the family.

[Anoushik]

But I am in the side that believes keeping her alive was no use.(sorry I know it sounds harsh)

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What about her dignity? Did she deserve to be recognized all over the world as that helpless woman in vegetative state with her mouth always open. Does anyone deserve that?