Harut Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 And if rich people and also higher up government figures lived more humbly rather than really live it up, and donate their richness by dividing their wealth with the real poor and needy, wouldn't it be better all around? So that the vast majority of the population would be able to breath better and not go out of the country if they found a chance? no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 no No what Harut? You would just like to negate me, don't you? Oh Harut jan don't start with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted November 11, 2007 Report Share Posted November 11, 2007 no I completely agree with Harut on this one. Handing out money to people doesn't solve anything. In the recent the Atlantic it was discussed why the trillions of dollars of aid to Africa has failed and why poverty is still such a problem in that region. A society needs skilled, literate people, people who can take that money and invest into businesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted November 11, 2007 Report Share Posted November 11, 2007 (edited) I completely agree with Harut on this one. Handing out money to people doesn't solve anything. In the recent the Atlantic it was discussed why the trillions of dollars of aid to Africa has failed and why poverty is still such a problem in that region. A society needs skilled, literate people, people who can take that money and invest into businesses. MMMMMMMM...And why do i keep buying the "Red" products from Gap... Edited November 11, 2007 by Ani777 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted November 11, 2007 Report Share Posted November 11, 2007 I completely agree with Harut on this one. Handing out money to people doesn't solve anything. In the recent the Atlantic it was discussed why the trillions of dollars of aid to Africa has failed and why poverty is still such a problem in that region. A society needs skilled, literate people, people who can take that money and invest into businesses. I didn't go deep into this and although I have voiced myself on this Forum numerous times as to how it is important for corruption to stop in our Republic and have a feel for the vast majority of the population and yes yes yes of course to open up businesses and see that there are jobs available for everyone to go around and feel useful, self sufficient, accomplished and proud of themselves. I will elaborate more as to exactly what I meant or I tried to mean when I put out the above post yesterday. About a couple of weeks ago it was put out a thread in here displaying the Very Lavish wedding of the daughter of a nouveau riche man in Armenia by the name of Gagik Tsaroukian. And seeing all that lavishness it dazzled me at first like I'm sure it dazzled most of us in here. Then Ani came along and objected to his display of lavishness when the majority of the population in there are very poor, when sometimes they do or do not have a hot meal, when about more than 14,000 children are going amuck begging for food or going into the thrashes and not being able to go to school because their parents cannot afford them to go to school. At first I'll be honest with myself and everyone in here, in my mind I didn't agree with Ani, thinking that perhaps she is being envious of his richness and abilities. But I gave myself some further thought and I said to myself that Ani is absolutely right. To further mention that Ani has family in there that are probably same as the majority of the population who cannot find jobs in the Republic and have to go to Russia like the one million of Armenian men that have to go elsewhere to be providers for their families. We are, I admit very fortunate living in here in the US and only talking about these poor people that are our compatriots mind you and are struggline on a day to day basis and thining to themselves how nice it would be for me if I only could get out of here. Now I don't have anyone in Armenia myself; but if I am a deep rooted Armenian soul then shouldn't I think and feel for the two plus million of my poor people and compatriots that are struggling in there every day? I think I should and I am! Gagik Tsaroukian maybe worked hard to get where he is and maybe he stole on the way until he got where he is; I don't know and I am not going to judge him for that now. However, in a poor country as is Armenia today, instead of displaying all his lavishness and extreme richness; wouldn't it be better to play it down and show more humbleness? and instead to see to it that some very poor souls are fed and also given money to. Shouldn't he create a great deal of jobs for opportunities to his countrymen to feel proud of themselves and not go out of the country to seek for jobs and send money to their families? If I was Gagik today, that's what I'd do. When all around me are extremely poor and struggling tremendously to be self sufficient, I wouldn't buy myself such a gorgeous house and I wouldn't display my extreme wealth to the face of those poor countrymen of mine. Frankly Ani, now I agree with you one hundred percent. It is indecent for him to do that, and I don't care how much wisdom and savvy he used and even worked hard to get there, when the rest of his countrymen are struggling each and every day. That goes the same to the wealthy government people, the other wealthy people in there, and hopefully hopefully for the corruption to stop in a newlybuilt country that we wished it for many years to be free and enjoy to have our own country under the sun!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted November 11, 2007 Report Share Posted November 11, 2007 (edited) To clarify my point more; when I said to contribute money to the needy, I meant for the real needy and the needy institutions, btw; Samvel, disabled people, very sick people that couldn't work, the elderly, orphanages, children's hospitals and organizations like orran. Edited November 11, 2007 by Anahid Takouhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted November 11, 2007 Report Share Posted November 11, 2007 I completely agree with Harut on this one. Handing out money to people doesn't solve anything. In the recent the Atlantic it was discussed why the trillions of dollars of aid to Africa has failed and why poverty is still such a problem in that region. A society needs skilled, literate people, people who can take that money and invest into businesses. Some would hope to see a communist regime rising once more in Armenia. That is not going to happen. Giving away money like this is not the answer to the problem. Giving job opportunities, ressources to permit them to gain some financial independence is what will fix the problem. In Africa the onl thing which work is when we open schools there, we give them access to water, we provide them job opportunities, throwing away money is actually the thing which works the less. It is obvious that you use your heard earned money better than some money comming from the sky. Sick children don't need money, they need food, they need hospitals, access to ressources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted November 11, 2007 Report Share Posted November 11, 2007 (edited) How it is important for corruption to stop in our Republic and have a feel for the vast majority of the population and yes of course to open up businesses and see that there are jobs available for everyone to go around and feel useful, self sufficient, accomplished and proud of themselves. That goes the same to the wealthy government people, the other wealthy people in there, and hopefully hopefully for the corruption to stop! To the person above who thinks that I hope a communist regime rising once more in Armenia, couldn't be more further from the truth. It is a total and complete lie and unjustified lie at that. I said and I shall reiterate again, that what I am merely saying here is that the very wealthy instead of displaying their lavish wealth to the face of the poor people they should try to build the country to be a wealthier one by opening up businesses in Armenia to provide jobs and contribute their wealth to some needy institutions such as orran, orphanages, the very needy who is disabled or is very sick. Also I will say it again, for corruption to stop amongst the government and or the people. Edited November 11, 2007 by Anahid Takouhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Some would hope to see a communist regime rising once more in Armenia. That is not going to happen. Giving away money like this is not the answer to the problem. Giving job opportunities, ressources to permit them to gain some financial independence is what will fix the problem. In Africa the onl thing which work is when we open schools there, we give them access to water, we provide them job opportunities, throwing away money is actually the thing which works the less. It is obvious that you use your heard earned money better than some money comming from the sky. Sick children don't need money, they need food, they need hospitals, access to ressources. I am so appaled by your unjustified, untrue and crazy comment in your first paragraph that please do not answer or comment to any of my posts again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Anahid, i would give an example why he, Domino makes the perfect seance you see, give! help, contribute, to answer at 11th hour call etc..... is basically how i would feel about if a tsunami struck to Indonesia, or about new Orleans, but when it comes to help your self, let me ask, would you help yourself at the 11th hour? maybe yes, but lets privent the hour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ariane Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Anahid, i would give an example why he, Domino makes the perfect seance you see, give! help, contribute, to answer at 11th hour call etc..... is basically how i would feel about if a tsunami struck to Indonesia, or about new Orleans, but when it comes to help your self, let me ask, would you help yourself at the 11th hour? maybe yes, but lets privent the hour lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 lol What's the matter Ariane? Are you so happy as to what negativity it is said? Esque ca c'est une affaire de gentiesse de la part de toi???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagopn Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Some would hope to see a communist regime rising once more in Armenia. That is not going to happen. Giving away money like this is not the answer to the problem. Giving job opportunities, ressources to permit them to gain some financial independence is what will fix the problem. In Africa the onl thing which work is when we open schools there, we give them access to water, we provide them job opportunities, throwing away money is actually the thing which works the less. It is obvious that you use your heard earned money better than some money comming from the sky. Sick children don't need money, they need food, they need hospitals, access to ressources. How did this thread re-de-generate into this topic? Who knows. Maybe it was the Kurdish women on the Iraqi border with 3 story building loads on their backs. Perhaps this merits a thread on just what "money" is in the politics section (not finance). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 What's the matter Ariane? Are you so happy as to what negativity it is said? Esque ca c'est une affaire de gentiesse de la part de toi???? pardon, but my post was not negative in nature, and if not! it was all conterminously and progressive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 (edited) How did this thread re-de-generate into this topic? Who knows. Maybe it was the Kurdish women on the Iraqi border with 3 story building loads on their backs. Perhaps this merits a thread on just what "money" is in the politics section (not finance). Hagop, I'm afraid you have a good point and we have all drifted from the real subject matter and got serious caring about our homeland; because someone felt bad about our homeland as she still has family in there and I have agreed with her as I also feel for the poor in our homeland. And although of course I want democracy to prevail; but with a little bit of kindness and humanity to go around and with as little corruption as possible. It's obviously not going to happen overnight and it cannot happen overnight, hopefully hopefully in about 10 years or perhaps even in more time than that that corruption would diminish. I am aware of that; but sometimes I feel quite idealistic about such matters and I feel for the underdog and I don't want people to be unjustified and taken advantage of. I like to see people not to hurt and for everyone pretty much to have jobs and feel good and proud about themselves; especially when it comes to our homeland. Edited November 12, 2007 by Anahid Takouhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 (edited) pardon, but my post was not negative in nature, and if not! it was all conterminously and progressive Yes I stand corrected Ed jan; I should have phrased it better, I apologize. I know that you meant well, neroghoutyoun yeghpayres. Edited November 12, 2007 by Anahid Takouhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 I always wondered why would people say "I'm afraid you have a good point" shouldn't it be "I'm glad you have a good point"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 I always wondered why would people say "I'm afraid you have a good point" shouldn't it be "I'm glad you have a good point"? You are right again kerri jan, you are quite right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 You are right again kerri jan, you are quite right! sometimes, es yervant aper@ ura? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 (edited) sometimes, es yervant aper@ ura? Housam tsunere chesgesan Canada dagavin. Ov kide Tsun ge makre gor? Shish me Shivaz ghergeyink iren. Edited November 12, 2007 by Anahid Takouhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagopn Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Hagop, I'm afraid you have a good point and we have all drifted from the real subject matter and got serious caring about our homeland; because someone felt bad about our homeland as she still has family in there and I have agreed with her as I also feel for the poor in our homeland. And although of course I want democracy to prevail; but with a little bit of kindness and humanity to go around and with as little corruption as possible. It's obviously not going to happen overnight and it cannot happen overnight, hopefully hopefully in about 10 years or perhaps even in more time than that that corruption would diminish. I am aware of that; but sometimes I feel quite idealistic about such matters and I feel for the underdog and I don't want people to be unjustified and taken advantage of. I like to see people not to hurt and for everyone pretty much to have jobs and feel good and proud about themselves; especially when it comes to our homeland. Oh, drifting is human nature, perfectly natural, and that is when some of the best ideas come along anyhow. I am suggesting that the topic of money, what money is, how money is created, manipulated, controlled, by the powers of the world, and how this severely affects our little republic, I think this is an important topic. I have had much experienced men advise me on this topic, and it has always fascinated me that no one sees that money, the creation and valuatin of money, is a political art and the greatest controlling weapon on the planet. It is always amazing how this is neglected as a topic, mostly due to brainwashing at the college level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 sometimes, es yervant aper@ ura? Ov e Yervant asum? And your three wishes are........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Housam tsunere chesgesan Canada dagavin. Ov kide Tsun ge makre gor? Shish me Shivaz ghergeyink iren. Miayn mek shish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Miayn mek shish? Yev Yervante yegav Kideyi vor Shivaz Regale kez pidi kounet artentsene! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 I don't know about some of the other Armenian girls around the world or the ladies of HyeForum; which I am pretty sure that they will agree with me; personally I get attracted to Armenian men!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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