Gor-Gor Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Now I'm not a big meat-eater, but every time my mom makes kha'ourma, I can't help but eat it!! It is probably the most fattening meat dish you will ever eat. I'm told that it is a native Dikranagerd dish. And that it is a dying recipe. None of my Armenian friends (even a Dikranagertsi) have heard of it. But my mom is famous for this food, and our kertasdan anxiously awaits the next time she prepares it. So, it's basically lamb meat, cut in large 2-3 inch cubes. They are cooked in a "gatsa" on low heat for HOURS (probably 6 or more) in pure melted butter. The meat becomes so tender, and with the butter, it melts in your mouth. Then there are whole quinces cooked along with the meat. Best of all, it is served with madnakash that has been "tatkhvadz" in the butter. So so good!! Has anyone heard of this/tasted this? I'm not sure if this is an Armenian or a Turkish recipe. The name clearly isn't Armenian "kha'ourma" -- the "kh" is pronounced low in the throat, like in Arabic. Maybe it had an Armenian name at one time but was lost in Ottoman Turkey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 It is in fact a popular Turkish dish. Kavurma basically means "braising." Kavurma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gor-Gor Posted December 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Thank you! Some days I think our culture is more Turkish than Armenian! Assimilation, apparently, is an old tradition for Armenians... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 It is in fact a popular Turkish dish. Kavurma basically means "braising." Kavurma style_images/master/snapback.png No offense, but I already lost my appetite looking at these. http://www.tgrt.com.tr/yemek/yemekzevki/img/kavurma.jpg Why would anyone want to eat cow dung? http://www.tgrt.com.tr/yemek/yemekzevki/img/cigborek.jpg What on earth is this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 No offense, but I already lost my appetite looking at these. http://www.tgrt.com.tr/yemek/yemekzevki/img/kavurma.jpg Why would anyone want to eat cow dung? style_images/master/snapback.png Please don't get me started on what mashed potatoes look like. 'Sides, that's not what cow dung looks like, city boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Please don't get me started on what mashed potatoes look like. 'Sides, that's not what cow dung looks like, city boy. style_images/master/snapback.png Do you have to remind me of that too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Thank you! Some days I think our culture is more Turkish than Armenian! Assimilation, apparently, is an old tradition for Armenians... style_images/master/snapback.png I wouldn't bother to say so. Nothing so special about the preparation of such a "dish"... It's like trying to get the patent for BBQ, meat on spits. Story for the caveman, weather for the ducks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Forgot! Then there are whole quinces cooked along with the meat. Best of all, it is served with madnakash that has been "tatkhvadz" in the butter. style_images/master/snapback.png Quince, right? As in the fruit? Cooked along with the meat and butter? And for hours? I certainly hope not. Quince is an awesome fruit if it can find the suitable climatic conditions (somewhat continental) to grow and bear fruit in. (The Gulf Stream deems for example the UK unsuitable.) Even just baking it like an apple is a crime. BTW, what is madnakash and how is it treated in the butter again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 I wouldn't bother to say so. Nothing so special about the preparation of such a "dish"... It's like trying to get the patent for BBQ, meat on spits. Story for the caveman, weather for the ducks. style_images/master/snapback.png I totally agree! It doesn't take a genius to put meat on "sticks". Like always, some have to take credit for everything. I remember back in the States when I was watching a cooking program, this very agitated Greek lady emphasized over and over again that gyros is an ancient Greek dish and shouldn't be called doner. I couldn't help but chuckle. But I have to assume the honor is all yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Ah, γύρος/yiros, the food of the gods, though only after nectar and ambrosia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 (edited) Thank you! Some days I think our culture is more Turkish than Armenian! Assimilation, apparently, is an old tradition for Armenians... style_images/master/snapback.png HEY YOU GUYS! To borrow a phrase from Sesame Street/Electric Company. Will you stop promoting Turkish culture on this Armenian/HyeForum!! On second thought! Please do! Only with twist. Kha'urma is not a Turkish word. It is Armenian. Surprise? It is based on the Armenian word "khor" as in khorovel/khorovats which literally means to braise/to sear, to broil. How it ended up as kha'urma/gavurma/kavurma, beside the fact that there is not "KH" in post Kemalist Turkish, the latter form is because at one time there was no letter O in Armenian until the Kilikian times. We used the diphthong of AU (just like the Latin) to produce the sound, and when we wrote khaurel, to be read as khorel some would still pronouce it as "khaure/khawrel", that is where the so-called Turkish "kha'ur-ma" comes from. The only Turkish element in the word may be the ending -ma, as it is customary in Turkish to form nouns out od verbs is to add -ma or -me. This is readily visible in a word like "doen-me" which is based on the verb "doen"=to turn, yo convret. As long as we are talking about the subject consider also"khash-la-ma" which is also a turkified form based on the Armenian word "khash/kharsh"=to boil. On the other hand if khaurma means fried then the modern Armenian word for that would be "tapkats/tapak" which in turn is based on "tap"=heat. The word does not have much use except as "fever", as in "tokatap" (pneumonia) etc. Furthermore, to stop promoting Turkish culture on an Armenian medium we can also call our delicacies by their original Armenian names such as "lits" instead of dolma and "terev" instead of sarma, and more... Edit: Let me add before I forget that there is no W sound in Turkish just as in Persian as well. So "kha'urma" would be pronounced as "kaVurma". Contrary to the prevailing wisdom that insists to not there being W sound in Armenian as well, it is wrong. We did have the W sound once and Mashtots devised the letter hyun for it. Consider words like "kov" and "hav" which are spelled with the hyun rather than the sovietized ho, are correctly written as "kou" and "hau" respectively to sound like "cow(e)" and the English "how". Edited December 12, 2004 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 No offense, but I already lost my appetite looking at these. Why would anyone want to eat cow dung? What on earth is this? style_images/master/snapback.png No. Not cow dung. More like camel droppings. We had a teacher of Arabic who was a Christian Syrian and had very little regard towards the Arabs. He thought they lazy and dirty. He would tell this story; When the Arabs in the desert got hungry they would go lie under the date tree wuth their mouths wide open hoping that dates would fall down into their mouths. When they got thirsty they would go and lie under a (fenale)camel hoping that milk would drip down into their mouths. And sometimes if by mistake the camel happens to be a male they would get another liquid instead of milk and "dates" from the posterior end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 How it ended up as kha'urma/gavurma/kavurma, beside the fact that there is not "KH" in post Kemalist Turkish, the latter form is because at one time there was no letter O in Armenian until the Kilikian times. style_images/master/snapback.png I have reason to believe it is a solid K. Either way, here's some humour - check out the atrocious translations, especially "kurban kavurma"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gor-Gor Posted December 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Storming: It is certainly a unique dish, and not something as commonplace as bbq. Madnakash (matnaqash) is a traditional puffy, soft Armenian bread. It is dipped in the butter until the bread soaks the butter. I asked my mom about her childhood memories with kha'ourma. She said her mom used to prepare very large amounts in the fall, then store the meat in jars, completely ensconced in the butter. The jars would then be stored underground, as a refrigeration method. And then during the winter, they'd take some of the meat out, warm them up and eat it. There was a lack of meat in the winter and otherwise they'd not be able to eat meat during that season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 There is nothing unique about "kavurma". It is one of the most popular dishes in Bulgaria, and Bulgarians believe that it is their own national dish. Same is I guess in Yougoslavia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 I thought that kavurma (actually I heard more like ghavurma) is boiled beef meat which then they freeze in the its own broth and oil. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nané Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 ղավուրմա - cooked meat preserved in fat, method of preserving meat for the winter Another name is տհալ ... not sure if it's an armenian word. Arpa? ի՞նչ ես կարծում 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Ghavourma is a typical nomadic winter dish. Kirghiz, Uzbek and other Central Aisan nomads stuffed horse intestines with sheep meat and fat for the winter. Armenians never used sheep or any other fat and would never use butter to made Ghavourma because it was too wasteful to use that much butter. Also, besides Ghavourma all Central Asian Turkic nations have Demla-ma, Beshpar-ma and variety of other dishes from the same league - Mutton in its different variations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ariane Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Now I'm not a big meat-eater, but every time my mom makes kha'ourma, I can't help but eat it!! It is probably the most fattening meat dish you will ever eat. I'm told that it is a native Dikranagerd dish. And that it is a dying recipe. None of my Armenian friends (even a Dikranagertsi) have heard of it. But my mom is famous for this food, and our kertasdan anxiously awaits the next time she prepares it. So, it's basically lamb meat, cut in large 2-3 inch cubes. They are cooked in a "gatsa" on low heat for HOURS (probably 6 or more) in pure melted butter. The meat becomes so tender, and with the butter, it melts in your mouth. Then there are whole quinces cooked along with the meat. Best of all, it is served with madnakash that has been "tatkhvadz" in the butter. So so good!! Has anyone heard of this/tasted this? I'm not sure if this is an Armenian or a Turkish recipe. The name clearly isn't Armenian "kha'ourma" -- the "kh" is pronounced low in the throat, like in Arabic. Maybe it had an Armenian name at one time but was lost in Ottoman Turkey. I love KHAVURMA, wonderful meal, I've done one the other day CHAD HAMOVER , PILAFIN HED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraHye Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 I love KHAVURMA, wonderful meal, I've done one the other day CHAD HAMOVER , PILAFIN HED Sharing is caring; could we please have the recipe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Sharing is caring; could we please have the recipe? Few months ago I had the pleasure of eating it at a Digranagertsi home. It was very good but was it ever heavy, the butter was dripping as you ate it. For the next two days I didn't feel hungry. The recipe is simple beef plus butter, butter, butter and more butter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ariane Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Sharing is caring; could we please have the recipe? Of course listen to me it's very easy and so simple, the ham in a big casserole ( tenjireh ) some butter or oil, salt, pepper, you make it fried on big fire a moment turning and returning the ham, maybe 15 mn depends the quantity of the ham, you put a little bit of water, small small small fire, you cover and you cook it for a few hours. sometimes you look at the water ( the juice ) if there's enough if not you put a bit of water never to much. You prepare a Pilaf perinz, with beureks, sudjurh, basterma and you invite us for a super armenian KEF. Don't forget the PAKHLAVA I love it too !!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Of course listen to me it's very easy and so simple, the ham in a big casserole ( tenjireh ) some butter or oil, salt, pepper, you make it fried on big fire a moment turning and returning the ham, maybe 15 mn ==== a super armenian KEF. Don't forget the PAKHLAVA I love it too !!!!!!!!!!!!! The Armenian word for "tenjire" which is none other than "tankard" is "katsa" , are there any Italinas here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanVal Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 I've never heard of anything done to matnakash. They usually use lavash for things like that, and I think it tastes better with butter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 ղավուրմա - cooked meat preserved in fat, method of preserving meat for the winter Another name is տհալ ... not sure if it's an armenian word. Arpa? ի՞նչ ես կարծում Nane jan միանգամայն ճիշտ ես Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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