Teutonic Knight Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 The BBC article only proves the obvious. That Azeris are still winning the propaganda war. For every Armenian news site/outlet ie: propaganda site there are 100 Azeri sites. Armenians need to engage in the information war in a very serious manner otherwise things are only going to get worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Didn't someone say something about Turks coming through here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted February 21, 2004 Report Share Posted February 21, 2004 What do you expect coming out of a nation who executed the woman who was once the future Queen SOLELY because she was pregnant by an Egyptian, was bethrothed to him and was on the verge of exposing her former husband, the heir to the throne, as a bisexual. Let's wait and see how this hacking death is portrayed in the Frnech and German press and in the hall of the European congress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted February 21, 2004 Report Share Posted February 21, 2004 Damn, if I ever want to execute someone, I bet I'd get some good advice from this Islamier people to the east of Armenia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted February 21, 2004 Report Share Posted February 21, 2004 Azeri officer's mother can't believe her son killed Armenian - TV Lider TV, Baku 20 Feb 04 [Presenter] Sr Lt Ramil Safarov's mother, Nubar Safarova, does not believe that her son is a murderer. She said that Ramil wanted to wreak vengeance on enemies at the front. [Correspondent over video of Ramil Safarov's photo in his house] Ramil Safarov, suspected of murdering an Armenian officer in Hungary, is a resident of occupied Cabrayil District. Four close relatives of Ramil were martyred when Armenians occupied Cabrayil District. A refugee's life made him settle in a hostel of the University of Economics. His mother, Nubar xanim [form of address], said that her son had wide military experience. [Nubar Safarova in her house] The war began. He was in the seventh form when the Armenians invaded Azerbaijan. His father said he had four sons and suggested that Ramil study at the [Camsid] Naxcivanski Military School. He wanted to bring up a good officer for Azerbaijan. He knew that Ramil was an excellent and well-bred pupil. You can make a good officer. [Correspondent over video of Ramil's photos] Graduating from the Naxcivanski Military School, Ramil spent nine years receiving a military education in Turkey. Then he continued his education in Hungary. Nubar xanim said she had heard from TV the news about the Armenian officer being killed by her son. But the mother ruled out that her 27-year-old son, who has always wished to liberate the Azerbaijani lands from occupation, could wreak vengeance on the enemy not at the front, but somewhere else. [Nubar Safarova] He has always told his father that he is ready to fight against Armenians face-to-face if the [Artsax] conflict is not resolved peacefully. Everybody is ready. [sentence indistinct] All our lands should be returned through our force and courage. He could never make a mistake outside. He cannot kill an Armenian. He could kill him only in fighting. He could kill him only being face-to-face with him. He could do it in fighting if he came face-to-face with the enemy. He can show his hostility there. [Correspondent] Nubar xanim said Ramil phoned home the day before the incident and was in a cheerful mood. Esmira Namiqqizi, Samir Suleymanov, Lider TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEVUL02293 Posted February 22, 2004 Report Share Posted February 22, 2004 Dear HyeForum Members: Very sad killing just happened to Armenian Lt. Gurken Markarian that nobody can bring him back , but as Armenian we have to national obligation that killer Azeri Lt. Ramil Safarov to bring to justice and punish him full extende of law in Budapest, HUNGARY. And make sure that if he is married and have childreen rest of there lifes should be taken care. This is our duty to do, by writing proper goverment to find justice for this brutal killing and hatred, And learn from this never leave any Armenian yhis kind of brutal killings. OPEN YOUR EYES ARMENIANS , for me this is also genocide. Lt.Gurken Markarian dyed in my opinion because of he was an Armenian. GOD rest his soul to enernity. My prayers to all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted February 22, 2004 Report Share Posted February 22, 2004 But yea, it appears an Armenian was killed by a rather Islamy Azeri, who thought it was cool to take a life. --- Slightely edited. See below --Sip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted February 22, 2004 Report Share Posted February 22, 2004 I merged the three existing threads on this topic into one here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 Azeries are going to stage a trial which will reflect the Soghomon Teilerian trial in Beirlin. These are all coordinated efforts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 Of course any comparison with the Tehlirian trial is simply prepostrous. I am very curious to see how the Azeri's are going to fill in the dots here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud EXPAT Posted February 27, 2004 Report Share Posted February 27, 2004 I'm sorry if this is off topic and although I think this topic was somewhere else on this site I can't find it. According to the latest Country Reports on Human Rights Practices: The Military Prosecutor's Office reported that 35 soldiers died in the army during the year; 9 of these deaths resulted from hazing. I don't mean to tick anyone off and I'm pretty sure some people might misunderstand what I'm trying to say but we are killing our own soldiers people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARR Posted February 27, 2004 Report Share Posted February 27, 2004 The body of an Armenian military officer brutally murdered in Hungary last week was flown to Yerevan on Thursday and will be laid to rest this Saturday. The closed coffin of Lieutenant Gurgen Markarian was draped in the red-blue-orange Armenian national flag and carried away by fellow officers in a somber official ceremony at the Zvartnots airport. It was attended by senior Defense Ministry officials and relatives of dead man. Markarian will be buried in Yerevan’s Yerablur cemetery in a state funeral. The 26-year-old was hacked to death in his sleep by an Azerbaijani serviceman who reportedly used an axe and a knife. Both officers were attending an English-language course in Budapest as part of NATO’s Partnership for Peace program. The Azerbaijani suspect, Ramil Safarov, is under arrest pending the investigation and will be tried by a Hungarian court. Motives for the crime are still not known. The Armenian government has said it was “the logical consequence of the anti-Armenian hysteria that has been left unreined by the Azeri authorities over the years.” The Azerbaijani side rejects the charges. In a statement on February the Foreign Ministry in Baku claimed that Safarov was provoked into committing the gruesome crime by his victim who “repeatedly made insulting statements to Safarov, impugning his honor as an officer and Azeri citizen and insulting the memory of the victims of Armenian aggression.” The statement was denounced as “offensive” on Thursday by Armenia’s ambassador to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, Jivan Tabibian. He accused Baku of seeking to justify the killing. “Nowhere in the police reports, or the statements of the witnesses and fellow students of the course, there is any reference to any supposed hostile exchange or an altercation between murderer and victim," Tabibian told the OSCE’s Permanent Council in Vienna. “We find it discouraging that the perpetrator of a cowardly act is right before our eyes being transformed into a hero, entrusted with defending memory and righting wrongs in this reprehensible manner.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted February 27, 2004 Report Share Posted February 27, 2004 The Azerbaijani side rejects the charges. In a statement on February the Foreign Ministry in Baku claimed that Safarov was provoked into committing the gruesome crime by his victim who “repeatedly made insulting statements to Safarov, impugning his honor as an officer and Azeri citizen and insulting the memory of the victims of Armenian aggression.” The statement was denounced as “offensive” on Thursday by Armenia’s ambassador to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, Jivan Tabibian. He accused Baku of seeking to justify the killing. “Nowhere in the police reports, or the statements of the witnesses and fellow students of the course, there is any reference to any supposed hostile exchange or an altercation between murderer and victim," Tabibian told the OSCE’s Permanent Council in Vienna. “We find it discouraging that the perpetrator of a cowardly act is right before our eyes being transformed into a hero, entrusted with defending memory and righting wrongs in this reprehensible manner.” Personally Armenian government should make this case as visible as possible to show the deep hatred these creatures (they are not humans in my book) have for Armenians. We should clearly demonstrate on International scene that Artsagh Armenians would face the same treatment if ever allowed back to Azeri rule. I think we should get mad! Pissed! And shove this case up their asses so even the idea of Azeri Karabagh would become a permanent unattainable dream! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO Posted February 27, 2004 Report Share Posted February 27, 2004 Guys, this is the the worst,... I don't know if I should really post the news here as I am very surprised that they could even do that... they are doubting now that the killing happened, the Azeris are questioning it and calling it an Armenian propaganda and ask for an investigation... do you imagine, a murder which was witnessed? They even are considering the murderer as a hero and ask that every new born baby be named after his name. I think the international community should do something warn the Azeris government to put an end to the generalised anti-Armenian propaganda aimed at spraiding hate against the Armenians, this could really be dangerous. The Leutnant, just imagine if he had men under hos controls and if he were to end up in an Armenian village what he could do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted February 27, 2004 Report Share Posted February 27, 2004 I think the international community should do something warn the Azeris government to put an end to the generalised anti-Armenian propaganda aimed at spraiding hate against the Armenians, this could really be dangerous. The Leutnant, just imagine if he had men under hos controls and if he were to end up in an Armenian village what he could do. Domino, I don't think the international community cares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted February 27, 2004 Report Share Posted February 27, 2004 Armenians gotta stop relying on 'the international community'. Historically this is folly. Take action, take responsibility and accountability and trust no one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO Posted February 28, 2004 Report Share Posted February 28, 2004 Domino, I don't think the international community cares. Unfortunitly it is in situations like that that I feel what a homeland might be.(wanting to do anything to protect a nation that normally I feel aliened from) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastia Posted February 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2004 (edited) ..ask that every new born baby be named after his name. What's next, are we gonna see Azerbaijan change their name to Ramilistan. Baku to Ramilabad. and name a caspian oil field after him. Edited February 28, 2004 by Sebastia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO Posted February 28, 2004 Report Share Posted February 28, 2004 What's next, are we gonna see Azerbaijan change their name to Ramilistan. Baku to Ramilabad. and name a caspian oil field after him. Never know, after calling Armenian carpets with Armenian letters on it, Azeris carpets... I expect anything from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted February 28, 2004 Report Share Posted February 28, 2004 I am beginning to think that there is something deeply different about the Turks, Azeris.They have extremely strange and strong clan mentality(residue of nomadic past), which transcends basic human decency. The shameless lying, the hatred, pathetic sewage quality rhetoric makes me believe that these people seized developing since dark ages. The simple truth is why Armenians are hated so much is jealousy! Destroy what you don’t have-creativity, intellectuality and productivity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted February 28, 2004 Report Share Posted February 28, 2004 I am beginning to think that there is something deeply different about the Turks, Azeris.They have extremely strange and strong clan mentality(residue of nomadic past), which transcends basic human decency. The shameless lying, the hatred, pathetic sewage quality rhetoric makes me believe that these people seized developing since dark ages. The simple truth is why Armenians are hated so much is jealousy! Destroy what you don’t have-creativity, intellectuality and productivity. Bingo. Well, some of us like to move beyond being mere sheep herders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted February 28, 2004 Report Share Posted February 28, 2004 You can take the Mongol out of Mongolia but you can't take Mongolia out of the Mongol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 Armenian Officer Killed ‘In Artsax War Revenge’ www.armenialiberty.org By Hrach Melkumian in Prague and Ruzanna Khachatrian An Azerbaijani army officer axe-murdered Lieutenant Gurgen Markarian in Budapest last month to avenge the deaths of fellow villagers during the war for Nagorno-Artsax, according to a leader of Hungary’s Armenian community. “He has admitted taking his revenge for compatriots killed in his village on February 26, 1993,” Adam Szarkiszjan told RFE/RL, citing information from Hungarian police which are investigating the February 19 brutal killing. The Azerbaijani authorities say the arrested attacker, Lieutenant Ramil Safarov, is a former resident of the Armenian-occupied Jebrail district south of Artsax and lost relatives in the war. Jebrail was captured by Artsax Armenian forces in the summer of 1993 and there were no major military operations in the area during the period mentioned by Szarkiszjian. February 26 is also the date of the 1992 capture of Artsax’s Azerbaijani-populated village of Khojaly which resulted in the deaths of hundreds of its civilian residents. Azerbaijan says the massacre was perpetrated by the advancing Armenians, a charge denied by the latter. In Szarkiszjan’s words, Safarov told the investigators that he had initially planned the killing for February 26 but decided to carry it out a week earlier after Markarian “smiled at him in a kind of suspicious fashion.” The Armenian officer, buried in Yerevan on Saturday, was hacked to death with an axe and a knife while he slept early in the morning. Budapest police said his head was “practically severed” from his body. Szarkiszjan further cited Safarov as testifying that he also sought to kill a second Armenian officer who attended an English-language course at Hungary’s main military academy as part of NATO’s Partnership for Peace program. The officer, Captain Hayk Makuchian, confirmed this version of events in a newspaper interview published on Tuesday. Makuchian said his life was saved by his Lithuanian roommate who kept him from opening the door after Safarov started knocking on it. “Having found my door locked, the Azerbaijani knocked at it for several times and started yelling, ‘Hey Armenian, open up, we are going to slaughter all of you’,” Makuchian told the newspaper “Iravunk” after his return to Yerevan. He said Markarian never locked his door and always ignored his theft warnings saying “Don’t worry, I’m not afraid of anyone.” “Gurgen was very strong physically, they could only kill him in his sleep,” the captain added. The Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry has claimed that Safarov had been goaded into committing the gruesome crime by “insulting statements” repeatedly made by his victim. Makuchian strongly denied this, saying that he and his murdered comrade had virtually no contact with the two Azerbaijani officers. “The Azerbaijanis were real introverts, they didn’t like socializing.” Szarkiszjan, the Armenian community leader, said that Makuchian and five other participants of the NATO course have already been questioned by the police and that the case will be forwarded to a Hungarian court later this month. He said he is “100 percent certain” that Safarov will not be repatriated to Azerbaijan after his likely imprisonment. “There is no way he could be taken back. He must be tried under our law and serve his sentence here.” In Yerevan, Defense Minister Serzh Sarkisian said the Armenian authorities will continue to try to ensure a “fair investigation” into the case and will hire a lawyer who will represent them at Safarov’s upcoming trial. They hope court sessions will be open to the public, he added. The Armenian leadership has reacted to the Budapest killing with shock and outrage, describing it as a result of “anti-Armenian hysteria” fanned by Azerbaijan. Official Baku dismissed the outcry with President Ilham Aliev suggesting that it was “a common or garden crime.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Official Baku dismissed the outcry with President Ilham Aliev suggesting that it was “a common or garden crime.” yes for a bunch of savages is may be a 'common crime' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOB Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 http://armenians.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=8634 -------------- Our guys have posted this on other Armenian forums. The game called “Hero of Azerbaijan”. 1. The maximum size of the file is 400x400 2. The file should have either gif or jpg extension 3. The file should be named as ramil-safarov (e.g. ramil-safarov.gif or ramil-safarov.jpg) or ramil-safarow (ramil-safarow.gif or ramil-safarow.jpg) 4. The original picture of this turkazer murderer is located here http://armenianhouse.org/imgmisc/582.jpg http://armenianhouse.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1580 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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