Stormig Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 Yes, that's how you get cured. Stormy, many of these view points are no realy yours sometime. They just circulate there, become popular and you take them as granted. Like is popular to present youself as if you have fears of commitment because it is cool... style_images/master/snapback.png You can take my word that there is nothing cool about seeing a bulky woman trembling and crying while she goes on about "what if, what if..." Frankly it was enough for me. So to get cured of that image of hers that I have, I should marry someone, have a child, and see if I can handle it? You're taking some things too lightly. I am not, at least I hope so. That is why I said kids are not like lovers/spouses - it's not like I'm not going to go into a relationship for fear of losing it, but kids are a different story. Not all parents would be so devastated for so long, especially if they have other kids to bring joy to their lives, a bunch, say, instead of one or two more. And it depends on the person. I know I'd hate the world if something like that visited me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 (edited) Ooh, diapers. Yes, the big challenge Maral!!!!!! She's so cute!!!! My niece is about that age to and all I want to do when I see her is eat her up! But God forbid she live in my house!!!! style_images/master/snapback.png Wanna measure up nieces? haha! The below is the daughter of a relative of my generation. Seriously, she really likes me, makes love to me (buggers please don't jump), and I keep asking her grandma why it is this way, when I'm not really on good terms with kids. At best I don't mind them, and they annoy the hell outta me when they don't mind their own business. This one is a cutsie, but recently she's been a bit of a nuisance and sat back with pursed lips and a frown when I showed her I was displeased. http://s94772541.onlinehome.us/wawa0.jpg http://s94772541.onlinehome.us/wawa.jpg She should go on one of those Benetton ads! Edited October 16, 2004 by Stormig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 By this you're saying that a corporate boss who wants to screw the whole company to get a higher margin of returns is the universal human being Indeed, and I have come to believe that succesfully raising a happy/healthy family/kids is more of an achievement than becoming multi-billionaire or what have you....just because there are many more happy parents than billionaires out there doesnt make their achievement any lesser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 She's so cute Storms!!!!!!! See that's what I mean: I see them and I want to eat them, but I'm absolutely not ready to have them myself. On the other hand I think, if it happens it happens. I'll keep it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 I wouldn't keep it if I didn't plan to have it. And thank goodness I'm Rh+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 You can take my word that there is nothing cool about seeing a bulky woman trembling and crying while she goes on about "what if, what if..." Frankly it was enough for me. So to get cured of that image of hers that I have, I should marry someone, have a child, and see if I can handle it? You're taking some things too lightly. I am not, at least I hope so. That is why I said kids are not like lovers/spouses - it's not like I'm not going to go into a relationship for fear of losing it, but kids are a different story. Not all parents would be so devastated for so long, especially if they have other kids to bring joy to their lives, a bunch, say, instead of one or two more. And it depends on the person. I know I'd hate the world if something like that visited me. style_images/master/snapback.png You are a perfect embodiment of a present day European, Stormy. The dieing European, that has no gutts. Sorry, but you guys are finished, basta! I wonder, how could this happen to Europe that had so much inner power? Armenia should better become a part of Middle East. At least they have the drive... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 They have the drive but they have to relieve themselves by exploding (as suicide bombers)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 I will talk with you when Big Ben becomes Al Bigben Minar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 (edited) Well, maybe I shouldn't say that. It wasn't the kids part, more the goals part I was thinking of. I had had some similar thoughts not too long ago - not quite similar, in that it was only after the break-up and being told after the break-up that marriage had been crossing the mind of the other. (Don't ask how he broke up from me, you wouldn't believe the incredible stupidity.) Hearing this, I was like, "What?? already?? Yuck! and why am I being told this now??" to myself. The next moment I was reminiscing a certain day when I met many of his family and relations, and how pretty I had thought his niece to be... Know how that goes? It hurt me even more to have been told that. I wish for your cousin's sake, Maral, that she can be with someone who will share or at least accommodate her goals, instead of feeling she has to be a wife-queen and drop her ideals/dreams just like that. I had thought I could be accommodated, but it didn't work out. Oh well. Life goes on. More, newer adventures to come. style_images/master/snapback.png She will not change her goals one bit because she met him.That's not what I meant. In fact he's on the same path,all they have to get through is the 1 year mandatory army service . Edited October 17, 2004 by Maral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 (edited) A child is not like a lover or spouse, one goes, the other comes... style_images/master/snapback.png [EDIT] on the other hand, after reading your posts about how you felt about your family as a kid, i'm not surprised that you said that at all. Edited October 17, 2004 by Harut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 [EDIT] on the other hand, after reading your posts about how you felt about your family as a kid, i'm not surprised that you said that at all. style_images/master/snapback.png What is there to not understand? Relationships crumble, couples divorce - but your child is your child. Nothing temporary or uncertain or unguaranteed about it, unless there's something different about (I'll refrain from saying "wrong with") that relationship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 (edited) That is why I said kids are not like lovers/spouses - it's not like I'm not going to go into a relationship for fear of losing it, but kids are a different story. Not all parents would be so devastated for so long, especially if they have other kids to bring joy to their lives, a bunch, say, instead of one or two more. And it depends on the person. I know I'd hate the world if something like that visited me. I'm surprised that you are surprised that your mother's friend still can't get over the death of her child after 20 years. Twenty years, how strange and puzzling indeed. <_< The truth is that she probably died that day too. I wouldn't even come close to what she must feel like or anyone who has suffered such an immense loss. That we put expectations or a certain timeframe where people are supposed to wrap up is bizarre. What is even more strange is that in today's society grief is considered something embarassing or downright condescending. That people are supposed to get over the death of a loved one so that some of us wouldn't feel queasy just shows how numb and apathetic we have become. The more kids you have the less worth they have? I didn't know that love divides itself when we have more children and hence those parents who lost a child can console themselves with that fact. Afterall they have something to distract them, right? Edited October 17, 2004 by Nakharar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Nakharar, I'm not surprised. In fact, I didn't have an opinion at all before seeing her that way. I didn't mean that more kids means less worth per capita. Just that parents have "more to live for" and more to be happy about. Such are the facts of life. I'm sure what I'm saying sounds stupid - but it's very vivid in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emil Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 I wouldn't keep it if I didn't plan to have it. And thank goodness I'm Rh+. style_images/master/snapback.png Why do you consider having Rh+ red cells a "good" thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 What is there to not understand? Relationships crumble, couples divorce - but your child is your child. Nothing temporary or uncertain or unguaranteed about it, unless there's something different about (I'll refrain from saying "wrong with") that relationship. style_images/master/snapback.png oh sorry, i thought you meant 'one kid goes another kid comes' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 My good friend says the main reason to have kids is so that someone will get you beer from the frig for about 10 years(between the ages of 3-12 maybe 15) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 oh sorry, i thought you meant 'one kid goes another kid comes' style_images/master/snapback.png No of course not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Why do you consider having Rh+ red cells a "good" thing? style_images/master/snapback.png Because recently a friend of mine who is Rh- had an "accident," and, her boyfriend is Rh+, she had a scare that she'd develop that condition whereby the mother's body/immune system rejects every Rh+ baby after the first Rh+ baby... Vergotten zee name of the condition. She was going to keep it if she couldn't artificially induce a miscarriage (to be followed by treatment so many days after to prevent any chances of the condition or to reduce the chances of such to a hundredth or a thousandth of the actual, tra la la)... Makes you realise how lucky you are, to not have to go through that sort of decision-making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emil Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Because recently a friend of mine who is Rh- had an "accident," and, her boyfriend is Rh+, she had a scare that she'd develop that condition whereby the mother's body/immune system rejects every Rh+ baby after the first Rh+ baby... Vergotten zee name of the condition. She was going to keep it if she couldn't artificially induce a miscarriage (to be followed by treatment so many days after to prevent any chances of the condition or to reduce the chances of such to a hundredth or a thousandth of the actual, tra la la)... Makes you realise how lucky you are, to not have to go through that sort of decision-making. style_images/master/snapback.png The condition is called hemolytic disease of the newborn (HDN). It's easily prevented by the adminstration of immune globulin, commonly called Rho-GAM to the mother during pregnancy and after delivery. There shouldn't be a worry for mothers these days with all the advances in medicine. The RH incompatibility is an easy thing to "fix." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 The risk is not 0, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 SO I just got back from visiting my good friend and their new baby. He is such a beautiful baby I am not kidding. He was born only 2 weeks ago. the reason why I am writing is about the miracles of science. They tried to have a baby for some 6-7 years and were unsuccessful. With the help of doctors they got eggs and sperm fertilized and developed in to test tube embryos and froze them about 1.5-2 years back(i think about 10 of them). after still failing to get pregnant they decided to go with a surrogate mother. First the planting stage was somewhat amazing to me. The surrogate mother is give an shot for some 2 months on a daily basis so she stops ovulating and the embryo is planted in her. Here is what initially blew my mind off. The baby has its own blood supply and everything and there is nothing linking the surrogate mother to this baby. And the baby was born 17 days back and he is healthy and great and was immediately given to the parents and the surrogate mother was sent home after 8 hours but the parents had to stay in the hospital for 2 days. And last week when I saw him for the first time I was just shocked that my friend was breastfeeding him So I asked and found out that she had to go and take shots for weeks at the end as the due date was approaching so that she can breastfeed the baby. To me that was just AMAZING. Don't know why. Anyways the whole thing was the most amazing process and the surrogate parents were real angels to do this for my friends. BTW, my friend jokingly was calling him cash saying that he had no cash left after his birth so now everyone calls the poor kid cash. (they spend a tad under 100K as insurance does not cover anything until the second the baby is born) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 It's interesting to see how my cousin changed over these two months. She used to be an ardent anti-child person from her late teens. Her brother had a child two months ago. She can't leave the child even for a second. She displays even more parenthood than the actual parents of the child. When the child wakes up at night she's the first one to react. She became a complete sissi. I can't look at her. I mean, she never misses a Euro League football game and now this ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 It's interesting to see how my cousin changed over these two months. She used to be an ardent anti-child person from her late teens. Her brother had a child two months ago. She can't leave the child even for a second. She displays even more parenthood than the actual parents of the child. When the child wakes up at night she's the first one to react. She became a complete sissi. I can't look at her. I mean, she never misses a Euro League football game and now this ... style_images/master/snapback.png Motherhood is natural to the female. It is ingrained and innate and woven into the very intricacies and fabric of her existence. She may try to push it off and avoid it, but it comes natural to her whether she likes it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 (edited) Motherhood is natural to the female. It is ingrained and innate and woven into the very intricacies and fabric of her existence. She may try to push it off and avoid it, but it comes natural to her whether she likes it or not. style_images/master/snapback.png wow Anony,I was just thinking,your posts are usually so weird and often annoying and I wasn't going to read your response,but I was proven wrong THIS TIME (don't let it get to your head) I agree with your post btw..and feel bad for those who realize this need and find out it's too late I can't imagine the pain when you want to have a child and you can't Edited January 4, 2005 by Maral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Motherhood is natural to the female. It is ingrained and innate and woven into the very intricacies and fabric of her existence. She may try to push it off and avoid it, but it comes natural to her whether she likes it or not. style_images/master/snapback.png this is for the same reason that the child knows what to do for food when it is only hours old. suck baby, suck suck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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