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Holland is good when they play as a team, granted they have some talented players that are, far tooooo often, selfish. Historically talented players have won more finals then physically endowed teams... Pele and Ronaldo for Brazil, Maradona for Argentina, Zidane for France, Charisteas for Greece... Ronaldo for Portugal? or the Spanish trio of forwards? If Portugal wins against Germany today, they can go all the way having as possible rivals Spain. However Russia remains the dark horse to take it... if they beat Halland.

Iberian peninsula includes Portugal as well.

Why bother displaying all the above Azeri garbage?

Russians were very impressive... Spain with 10 changes still outplayed in the second half to defeat Greece. Still predict an Iberian win in the finals.

Predicting an Iberian success, either Spain... (long due) or Portugal, to redeem herself Euro2004 final defeat...

Shnorhagal em ays tsutsatrman hamar. Hoyagab kordz..... Kim yev Ke nuyn darer?????

According to the above conclusions...ECONOMIC factors indicate opening borders with Armenia is detrimental to Armenian Economy! I guess Turkey's plans of bringing Armenia to her knees via blockades... IS BACKFIRING on them Azeris and Turks are incurring additional costs and delays for the successful, timely exploitation and economical secure transportation of resources to European markets, by by-passing Armenia..... these resources being located on the eastern parts of Armenia and Artsakh. This situation is due to the insecure conditions prevailing now... that can be endangered in a future probable conflict with Armenia. Unless there are other factors to substentiate the opening of borders as being beneficial to Armenia... the border should stay closed till Turkey recognizes and repairs all the losses Armenians incurred due to Turkish Genocide of Armenians in 1915.

Harkeli Johannes, Uzel yev unenal... peverayin hagamardutyan metch en nerga devyalneru arumov... Ayn ore yerb areve tzaqi arevmutqen... ashkharh gue desne iskagan joghovrtavarutyun Yerevagayel spurkyan te hayreniki joghovertavarutyan gerdum... gue nemani nor hrashakordzutyan haydnevum Yrazel, husalov ayt orva dzakumin ... gue sharunagenk timanal!

Why this fear of being overwhelmed or assimilated by Turkey is prevailing in your thoughts? Turks did not manage to do so during their dominion of Armenians over 5 centuries! They chose to exterminate Armenians in a Genocidal act! since they could not compete in the market place! Could it be Turks fear Armenians might, once again, become pre-eminent businessmen and dominate the economy as they had done during the Ottoman empire? Their efforts, by blockading Armenia, have not achieved their aim of suffocating Armenia so far Opening borders with Turkey... without her recognition and reparations for 1915 Armenian Genocide... should never be considered a plus for Armenians at large.

How wonderful for Nareh... Congratulations for her performance and future prospects

For your information the idea of Eurovision at it's incepton WAS CREATED TO AQUAINT nations and their cultures through songs and dance... In order to make EU viable.... Making nations tolerable to each other via culture... since these nations had been at odds with each other for millenia... was the basis and the AIM of Eurovision song contests. Are you one of those backward immigrants that has reformed and has become... I don't know what? You tell us. In the mid 60s this was the case...we watched a variety of performers doing their national representations with their costumes and lyrics of their nations... Sandy Shaw, for whom I designed her finalists' dress ...sang bare feet and won the contest with "puppet on a string"song, a typically representative rendering of UK culture of the time. It was not rock n' roll nore beatles inspired... Over the years the overwhelming influences of US economic pop culture more or less put an inprint on all the artists that wanted fast fame and fortune ahead of integrity...as you say, in order to captivate mass markets... not good music! We seem to disagree as to what represents talent..., intelligence has nothing to with tonality and composition... anybody can make noise... but music needs inspired creativity! It seems the globalization of culture is ANGLO/US IMPERIUM at all costs the mighty dollar is to be king.....

You hit the nail on the head. Watching Eurovision is an absolute proof of what globalization is doing to National identities...and tastes!!!!!!!! The first prize went to a Russian imitating Michael Jackson at his worst.. Nothing Russian about the song or the rythm evoking anything one can associate with balalaikas????? or the deep basses that bring the steppes and rivers in mind. The two accompanying pantomimers were pathetic not to say effeminate . The second prize went to a would be Maddona/Cher imitator with yet again nothing to distinguish as Ukrainness...The sexual girations and males lined against the walls as appreciating onlookers reminds one of a soft porn exhibition The song could have been any of the products put out in N.America on a daily basis... copy catting each other! The third was even more alien to anything that reminds of the great Buzukis of Greece. Once more sexual connotations and exhibitionism were anathema to what a cultural taste should be Nana should be crying in her greek coffee cup...Her songs, even if in languages other then Greek, always sound as though it's in Greek. The hardest to appreciate is Sirusho, singing Quele Quele whilst imitating a belly dancer... since when did Armenians adopt the belly dancing as a national trait? Are the visits to the Gulf states having a nefarious effect on our culture? I have seen and heard some early Sirusho recordings that are truly tasteful and have Armenian "nafas" to them! Why did she succomb to the temptation of imitating global rubbish? The first few notes with duduk...... and it's over... Being fourth due to blind voting since she is Armenian... is acknowledging the bankrupt art scene amongst Armenian artists... Have we sunk to levels that, in order to win we can also prostitute our culture by imitating Maddonas, Chers, and other pop divas, that have made it in the international markets by hybrid globalized, bastardized art-forms???????! I'd rather go without... instead of listening to what was dished out as European song fest or should I say song waste

In 1972 in the month of May, I attended all the Aharonian performences and so him win the competition with a very few Armenians around. The Arm. community was not as strong then and Ruben was more or less orphaned at the time... What a shame his world virtuoso recognition was not trumpeted... due to his not belonging to a certain ethnic group

You're lucky Brazilians did'nt murder you... I have also watched Georgie Best at his best...when the comentators were saying Georgie Best 4 Benfica of Eusebio nil... I saw Eusebios 4 goals for Portugal against N.Koreans, coming back from 0-3 at half time to win 5-3 at the end, the 5th goal coming from Torrez the giraff BTW ManU has been my favorit team since 1958... Even though I have attended regularly Stamford Bridge games in the 60s-70s.

100% with you on that, as being the best national team assembled... The best ever of Pele... with Rivelino (omar sherif alike) Jarzhinho et al. Pele had two remarkable moments, against Cheks,.... his shot from the center field missed the goal by mere feet when the goalie was out of position... He faked the goalie by cross running and not touching the ball, then chasing it only to miss by inches for what would have been a historic moment in football lore...

Bulgarians chopped Pele, he did not brake a leg but his knee was distended thus putting paid to his competition. The linesman was correct awarding the goal. Hunt turned away from the rebounding ball as it hit the inside goal line... instead of booting the ball into the net again. Hunt was closest to the rebounding ball and did not see the need to boot it in... Hurst's world cup hat trick is still unequalled. To me it the event seemed like WWIII between Germany and England. The crowds in Wembley went wild screeming and suffered mass meningitis, including myself. We were hoarse for a week. Funny that there were some of us Armenians , very pro Germany (those from Europe or Middle east) and some pro England (those residing in UK or US). Would you beleive the animosity was such amongst the Armenians, that a few came to blows... I would say we were maybe 15-20 guys amongst over 100.000 spectators... go figure

1966 world cup final at wembley 1970 " " " in Mexico 1998 " " " in France

Did you mean beliefs or bluffs This topic should be under the heading of philosophical humor & sarcasm If you can imagine a doctrin based on humor as religion, humanity would have been served a much better drug for self confort and fulfillment...

Harkeli Johannes, Khorabes shnorhagal em vshdagtselut hamar mer tsavin. Ayt djahidjin choratsume angareli yev chardonvadz yeraz bidi mena... Dzavalabashdneru dzrakire aysorva haverj pokr baderzmnerou sharounagumn e esd "the new world order"in! Ays dzrakri kordzatroume bushi hor haydararoutyan artunkn er 1991in, Iraki arachin ameriguian vodnaharoumen yedk...

Having personally witnessed the Lebanese tragedy since 1947-1952-1958-1975---1990 to date... also having paid a very heavy loss in my immediate family, killed in 1978 by a Syrian bomb... in our house, let me remind you forum members, that Lebanon is indeed a perfect exemple of HOW FAR MENS' GREED AND VANITY can be destructive... and suicidal! Like most of the ruling classes in the world (FAMILIES AND TIES), that form their respective governments... Lebanon is not only a theater for international settling of accounts by proxi, ( USA-EU-Iran-Syria-Israel) BUT ALSO is a stage for pre-runs of conflicts. She is also ethnically and factionally sooooooooooo divided that it's a miracle that she exists today. The multiple religious divisions, as well as inter family (mafia type feuds) that date over 100 years, don't seem to allow Lebanon to live in peace for any lenght of time and prosper. The moral decadence as well as material worship and snobery of her population, regardless of ethnicity, have been her fatal sicknesses...just as Khalil Gebran lamented about her in the early 1900s! The more it changes the more it's the same B.S. A microcosm of what global calamity awaits the world through so called globalization One big happy family? Trying to explain this huge pot-pourri ( Rotten Makhloutah) is a total waste of time...

For your information Syrian Socialist party of Greater Syria, "Ghaoumi" was a party that pursued and still does, the union of Iraq, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon as one entity... In 1960/61 they tried a coup in Lebanon that failed.

Ironically GOD also stands for... gold-oil-drugs... coincidence?

So did I.

Open mind is a true path that will enable humans to find answers to a variety of puzzling phenomena that can be explained logically and proven scientifically. Blind belief in anything is myopic and lazy. But since humans are not born equally endowed with similar brain capabilities and "meme" retention, we have to accept them for what they are... humans with equal rights for life and health and beliefs, even if said beliefs are illogical and idiotic. However, people like Arvestaked, a new rebel that has aspirations to become a memetic engineer, has all the ingredients of a fanatical disciple with all the youthful arrogance for a new found "faith"! in memetics... His guru Richard Dawkins, ( I did not say his saviour) is far more humble presenting his theories of "meme", at the same time acknowledging that all memetic pass ons from brain to brain...ARE SUBJECT TO MUTATIONS AND PERMUTATIONS. Based on this assumption, the theory of memetics starts on a precarious foundation. The multitudes of unknowns to create a solid scientific definition is far from obvious! It is a new theory in waiting...with potentials. The arguments presented here are not for the propagation of the supernatural! Feelings and intelligence are very specific to each individual in intensity and understanding. The degree of difference from one human to another is such that, scientifically it has been impossible to explain why we have, acceptable for the times, geniuses once in a while instead of many! ( Some geniuses were proven wrong in due course?) Granted, humans are on an upsurge of knowledge and capabilities in decifering the enigmas of physical life, but the last frontier and the most complex happens to be the brain! In this field of neurological unquantifiable permutations, hence our individual characteristics, even with inherited genes and "meme" we have not managed to create one identical, physically and mentally cloned being since humans existed! Jumping on a new band wagon of "meme" as a new fad is commendable, but ramming it down throats is childish to say the least! Patience is another unquantifiable philosophical mode, independent of "meme", as we cannot seem to have it passed on from other brains to ours

*Unable to answer about what is not physical but a sentiment like (hope) or many other non physically proovable, yet very real human experiences... seems to stifle your logical reasoning! Like saying... life is life so what? If that's the case why are you maintaining this non issue discussion? Do you love, do you aspire, do you dream, do you plan, can you imagine????? You do agree that everything is not clear cut via physical sciences as you have acknowledged previously. *By your logical assupmtions, all who disagree with your nihilism, are dupes? WOW. How are your views different from popes or other religious entities, mono-theic or multi-theic that profess, if you're not with us you're against us? *Knowing truth being abused according to your arguments, has triggered you to efforts in explaining to the believers about their wrong ways...I guess you are a new form of believer. Not necessarily a known religious type but, a believer non the less in your truths of form ? *Since you do not suggest any solutions maybe we should continue as is, till a better way can be found. I disagree to your type of philosophical nihilist and blinkered approaches to life. Without being a blind worshipper of deity in all shapes or forms, my beliefs are based on inherited, learned and practiced moral codes, those that allow humans to co-exist on this earth, with a semblance of civility towards each other!