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  1. Azat, Armenian females are risk takers, their primary risk being the Armenian males.
  2. According to statistics available from sources affiliated with the European Union, in the last 10 years, 80% of the people who have left Armenia are at the age of approximately 40 years, now. Of them, about 80% are male. Furthermore, there is a disproportionate imbalance between the numbers of young male and female populations in Armenia. Some say that for every 5 females there is one male currently residing in Armenia. This phenomenon has a profound impact on the social fabric of the population in Armenia. Armenian Army, in turn, has become a machine for breaking the male population. While being a solder of the nation was the highest honor 10 years ago, serving in the Army has become one constant fight for survival today. The structure of the Army is based on the well-known Soviet paradigm of “dedovshchina,” which has been elevated to unprecedented heights in Armenia. “Dedovshchina” implies the total submission of the new conscripts to the conscripts of the previous year. This has become an institutionalized phenomenon. From the day of the arrival of the new conscript the institution pursues the goal of his breaking – first psychologically. If he does not submit, then they appeal to other methods to break him physically. Eventually, this results also in the psychological breakup. This phenomenon is widely known and its psychological impact propagates also amongst the representatives of the pre-army age. As a result, the entire male population becomes psychologically broken - and this is under the circumstances of winning the war. Now, imagine what happens if one loses a war. On the other hand, the female population of the younger generation has become much more empowered on the relative scale. If in the past, male population was the provider of the family since the higher paying jobs used to go to the male population. It is not the case anymore. Therefore, there is a sort of equality between the younger female and male populations today. However, the female population of the age above 35 is the most disempowered segment, yet. I think that things would be much different in the next generation. Steadily, a vast category of single mothers will emerge. Their children will have much different psychology. Eventually, the generation of their children would be much healthier. The Armenian nation 20 years from now would be totally different from what we have today. The male machoism would subside, and the females would become the spine of the nation – as it should be. It would be easily accepted by the younger generation males because they would grow up without fathers and they would much readily accept the female dominance. Then, our nation would finally become a healthy one and the future of Armenia would look brighter – females are much more capable of building a better society then males. Additionally, they are much stronger people then the males are. This is, of course, if we don’t lose Armenia before the emergence of the new generation.
  3. Dear TFC, I have not seen the film. However I am somewhat familiar with the situation. I am sorry for your feelings. There is no need to be ashamed of the picture you have seen. Unfortunately, it might have accurately portrayed the situation in prisons. It is most outrageous and devastating. Prisons in Armenia are manifestations of enormous human tragedy. The same concerns to mental institutions. Some of my friends have traveled lately in both types of institutions and have taken some photos. I have seen them. It is indeed very disturbing. And I am sure the people you have seen in prisons were Armenians. The prisons run on a principle, “if you can’t break them psychologically, break them physically.” Unfortunately, to a large degree this concerns also the Army. Many you have seen in the prisons are innocent people or have committed minor offenses. As far as the spoken Armenian language is concerned, it is also in a bad shape in Armenia these days. In the last 10 years we have developed backwards at a very disturbing pace. Another disturbing reality is the excessive Russification in the last several years. It has become a state policy. Armenia is under informational blockade other than the transportation blockade. The entire flow of information is arriving from Russia and that in a very biased and politicized manner. Armenia is less independent now than it has been in the last 20 years or so. All this has also resulted in a very sad mental blockade. Vast segments of people, being dependent only on one source of information, have become paranoid. The questionable deal with ArmenTel has resulted in the paralysis of the internet in Armenia. Among the Caucasian Republics, Armenia is the most underdeveloped country in terms of Internet access due to the technical quality and the price of service. This in turn has resulted in the stagnation of the IT industry, which 10 years ago was the most promising industry there and Armenia was the leader of IT Technologies in former USSR and the region. One thing I agree with you is that it is indeed time for change. But the changes start not from feeling ashamed for the reality but from feeling part of it and becoming part of the solution. The “nasty” picture you have seen is our reality. If one cannot take it, one should cheat himself/herself or just denounce his affiliation with the reality that the nation is facing. This is a free choice.
  4. Garegin Nzhdeh has never proposed theology. He has been an outstanding writer and publicist with a powerful pen and an outstanding general. He is the most significant pillar of the Armenian Independence throught our history. Much of what he has said has been taken out of the context and been misrepresented by others. One has to read Nzhdeh himself rather than learn him from others. It is true that Nzhdeh has put in circulation the word "tseghakron" in mid to late 20s. I also don't like this word but [reading his articles] I think it has had a different meaning in his mind than others have interpreted it. Nzhdeh has not been anti-Christian. In fact, he has considered himself Christian. He has also been a humanist. Some of his work can be found on the web page of ArtsakhWorld. (At least it used to.) Nzdeh's ashes, which had been hidden for more than a decade under the bed of academician Varag Arakelyan who had stolen it from his Siberian grave, have been buried according to a Christian-Armenian ritual on the Mount Khustup in the presence of Christians and pagans who equally revered him in 1989 if my memory doesn't play tricks on me [regarding the date.]
  5. Arad, Since I don’t think that you are capable of conducting yourself properly, and since you have a tendency to make pompous statements on subjects that you don’t know enough about or haven’t thought enough yet, I will give you two references as my last word with you: Colossians 1:24 Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I do my share on behalf of His body, which is the church, in filling up what is lacking in Christ's afflictions. Ephesians 5:33 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body.
  6. Arad, I also wanted to add the following: Juda has not betrayed Christ. Quit the contrary, being one of the most devoted disciples of Christ (along with Peter) he has done what the Lord had commanded to him. If one could trace betrayal in Juda's actions that would be only the fact of his hanging of himself. But when he pointed Jesus to the Roman solders, he did what Christ had earlier commanded him to do. And if we have to talk about the betrayals, it is the Armenian Church which has betrayed Christ by not obeying one of the Lord's most fundamental commandments to go and make disciples of all nations... How do you do that if you establish "Armenian" Church? It is interesting that many years ago, in a discussion one of the most glorious Armenian bishops told me that the history of Armenia may be seen as God's punishment to us for betraying the above commandment. I am conveying this just as a food for thought.
  7. Dear Arad, I am surprised that you would question that in order to become Christian one has to be baptized in the Church of Christ. That is the only Church that Christ has established and He has explicitly said that it is His Church. That is [baptism] basically the definition of being a Christian. As to the definition of the Church, again, I think the Mathews 18:20 along with passages similar to the Church being the body of Christ do shed proper light on what Church means. I suspect that by saying Church you mean a building with a cross on the top and people in black outfit performing baptism, wedding and burial ceremonies. To finalize, Church means body of Christ where two or three or more people get together in His name. What’s your problem with it?
  8. Arad, I am not advocating the starting of a new Church. Only Jesus Christ may start one (assuming that we are talking about a Christian Church.) It would be good enough, I think, if others, including the Armenian Church join the Church of Christ. What I am trying to say is that Armenians are free people, or are at least supposed to be such. They may choose to be protestants, muslim, judaists, pagan, atheists, etc. They can date blacks or asians, can be homosexuals, can marry “others,” and so on. I am also saying that Armenians have no obligation to the Armenian Church. To the contrary, the Armenian Church has obligation to Armenians and the humanity, and Jesus Christ above all. I think that the above should bring to conclusion what I was trying to say. As far as your question of my “definition” of Church is concerned, I get it from the New Testament, in particular Mathews and Acts (I think). In Mathews Christ says whenever two or three people get together in His, He is there. In Acts we learn that the Church is the body of Christ. There are also other similar instances which lead to similar deductive conclusions.
  9. Arad, Have you ever read the Bible or are you narrating from some book about the Bible you recently have read? Also, thank you for thinking so highly of me but it would suffice if you and me could understand the Bible properly before manifesting ourselves as teachers. (The first step, obviously, would be reading it.)
  10. Dear Arad, Jesus Christ has not established an Armenian Church or Russian Church or Georgian Church or a Greek one. The scripture clearly says that Christ has established His Church: "I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.” [Matthew 16:13-20] Therefore there should exist only one Church which should be called Christ’s Church. The Armenian Church is not an authority for “Doctrinal” teachings – there are not even 5 clergy in what is called Armenian Church who are qualified to teach anything other than how to make money. Christianity is not about “Doctrines” but about the faith in Jesus Christ being the living Son of God and the Savor – something that is missing in the Armenian Church overall. Doctrines belong to Ministries of Foreign Affairs and so on but not to Churches. There is no need to interpret the New Testament - it is very clear. What needs to be done by the so-called Christians is to live by it and not to turn it into a cheap tool of propaganda, into a xenophobic “Doctrine,” money-making machine, tool for the enslavement for an entire people, etc, while driving Christ out. Also, Christ has not appointed anyone as the “head” of the Church and has clearly assigned only Himself on such capacity. Moreover, Christ has defined the Church as a gathering of three people who speak in His name. Therefore, He has sanctioned not just “33,000 different Protestant Churches” but up to two billion Churches (assuming that there are 6 billion people on the earth.) So has traditionally been the structure of the Armenian Church, btw. Catholicos has been a symbolic figure with no executive power. Each patriarchates remains as an autonomous entity even to this day. However, executive power has been exerciseded by the Catholicos since the times of Russian colonization and with the help of the Russian government. Furthermore, Armenian Church has always been the instrument of foreign powers (invaders of Armenia) and has been a political rather than a spiritual establishment. These days it also has a socio-cultural significance. To this day, the Armenian Church serves foreign powers rather than the Good Lord, while the head of the Armenian Church is a well recognized criminal and Mafioso instilled on the throne by a well-known Armenian philanthropist. The Armenian Church has not been there before we had Bible. I assume you are referring to the Armenian translation of the Bible. Prior to Mashtots, Syriaic version of the Bible has been used in the Armenian Church. The Old Testament has been finalized sometime around the 400 B.C. while the New Testament has been finalized at about or before 70 A.D (my dates may be somewhat off.) The Armenian Church as we know it has been established some time between 270A.D. to 315A.D. (the referenced dates are approximate.) And it is nothing but a heresy to call it “Lusavorchagan Church.” The only measure for “true teachings” is the Bible itself. Your quote from Timothy 3:15 doesn’t serve you well. In fact it points to the living God as the owner of the Church. It is also clear that in 2 Thessalonians 2:15, which has been written some time prior to 63 A.D., Paul is speaking about the traditions that have existed amongst the first Christians who happed to be non-Armenians.
  11. What means "Armenian Church?" Could someone explain it? Is it something that Jesus Christ has established? What are the teachings of Armenian Church? Does it teach something other than what Christ and apostles have taught?
  12. Today Nalbandian and Agassi advanced to semifinals of the US Open. If they both win that round then will face each other in finals.
  13. Dear Sako, The wrong that is done is not done by you. It is done to you. Under proper guidance, at your age of 14 (or 15) you should have not even known anything about the Genocide. Time would’ve come and you would’ve known about it and that in a proper manner. At that time, the anger might’ve subsided and you might’ve felt more proud for your nation’s ability to survive and to reinvent herself. Anger is not healthy, especially when it becomes part of who you are. It is just my wish (and I know many who would join me in wishing so) that next time you are about to lift the weight, you close your eyes and see your beautiful people, you see Mt. Ararat, you see the churches of Ani or the temple in Garni, or you see the monument of Sasuntsi David and you hear the music of Aram Khachatryan. And then you feel yourself part of all that and you make your spirit join with the spirit of all these people who have created these precious values on behalf of our nation and brought us here – to this age and this stage. And be assured that I am one of those who will always feel pride for your achievements and will always wish more of them in your promising future to come.
  14. MJ

    On The Net

    I received the email below from a friend. I will refrain from revealing his identity since I haven't asked for permission. ______________________________ Dear Friends, many of you may have noticed web sites such as www.azerigenocide.org This and other sites are credited to a quasi-anonymous NGO "Sahil Research & Information Center" [sahil Informasiya ve Arastirmalar Merkezi]. As some of you may know, "Sahil" means "shore" in Azeri and, not unlike Armenian Diaspora G/Kroonk, signifies longing for the homeland. You may be interested to know, that this and other sites are linked to the Azerbaijan Republic's State Committee for Relations with Diaspora [aka Relations with Azerbaijanis Abroad]. Azerbaijan's former Amb. to Ukraine (until 2000) and MP/PACE Delegate Nazim Ibrahimov heads that Committee. The Diaspora/NGO work is overseen by Presidential administration aide Rustam Mamedov. The link is via one Elçin AZIMLI [Elchin Azimov] - an Istanbul-educated 28-year-old, who in March 2003 was identified as a State Committee representative during the Azerbaijani Society of America Novruz Bairam event in New York. Azimov is linked to about a dozen web domains that, along with "Sahil'"s other projects, such as invitation to Sam Weems, are listed below. As you can see, in addition to rabidly anti-Armenian work, the Committee also deals with cultural issues (literature, music web sites). Sahil also claims credit for the English translation of Rovshan Novruzoglu at www.Artsax-terror.com Other individuals linked to the state-established Sahil 'NGO' include: Fidan Fatiyeva (she signed on to July 2003 pro-BTC statement), Azade Balayeva (also works for pro-government 525-ci Gazet - note also one Salim Balayev works for "Iki Sahil" - a newspaper that since Soviet days targets Iranian Azeris.) I hope this information could be useful in your work. With best regards, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx P.S. Sahil projects: Rashid Behbutov site (8'03) Co-signed to NGO statement backing BTC (7'03) Interviewed Arakelov via Elmira Akhundova (5'03) Bakhtiyar Vahabzade (11'02-) www.vahabzade.net Elchin Efendiyev site ('02-) www.elchin.com English translation of www.Artsax-terror.com ('02) Invited and hosted Sam Weems in Baku (7-8'02) www.khojaly.net (2'02-) Anti-Gorbachev attacks over January 1990 (1-2'02 and 2'03) www.january20.net (1'02-) Interviewed Chohragani (1'02) www.sahil.info / elchin@sahil.info (11'01-) www.armenianterror.net (10'01-) Advertised in Azerbaijan Int'l (Winter 2001) www.azerigenocide.org (3'01-) elchin@azimli.org (10'00-) www.azerimusic.net / azerimusic@azerimail.net (8'00-) www.azerimail.net / aspirant@azerimail.net (6'00-) www.angelfire.com/az/Azimli/gulistan.html ('98-)
  15. MJ

    Sevres

    Sevres treaty, or better to say, the Armenian articles of that treaty, have never been ratified, moreover, have been plaid back in Lausanne. It has no legal value. Most importantly, the Kars treaty of October 1921, where Armenia is a signatory, overwrites any other treaties that have been signed between the parties prior to that date. Kars treaty is the only treaty Armenia has leverage over by a sheer fact of being a signatory to it (and in no other treaties.) The only legal framework Armenia can theoretically use to advance any [territorial] disputes [in fact this treaty is more than about territory] is in the framework of this treaty (which would be a very uphill battle). It has to be also understood that before Armenia may advance any claims on this basis, it has to resolve the issue with Russia, since the latter is the guarantor of the execution of the articles of this treaty as granted to her by the article 15 (16?) of March 1921 Moscow treaty between Russia and Turkey. Everything else is irrelevant from legal-political perspective. However, the two governments of the Republic of Armenia have decided not to pursue this issue in the most logical manner. Their attitude is that if/when diplomatic relations would be established, a new treaty would be signed.
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    Us-europe-israel

    No problem, Arpa. However, I disagree with you on Iraq. I think also that the article is a quite reasonable explanation of the events subject to discussion.
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    Us-europe-israel

    Not all of the Christian Fundamentalists and not all the protestants ascribe to the referenced above idea. In fact, there is a strong following inside the Christian Fundamentalist movement which claims that the book of Revelations should have not even included in the New Testament and that its spirit is totally contrary to everything Christ has said. There are theologians who also ascribe to this opinion. They claim that the book of Revelations has been written by St. John (this is not the same St. John the Baptist nor St. John the Evangelist), while he already was imprisoned for 30 years. They even question St. John’s sanity at the time of writing this book.
  18. August 31, 2003 How to Talk About Israel By IAN BURUMA The Jewish Problem pops up in the strangest places. In the winter of 1991, at the height of the first gulf war, I asked a right-wing Japanese politician who still wields considerable power in the ruling Liberal Democratic Party to explain the Japanese role in the Middle Eastern conflict. After clearing his throat with some perfunctory remarks about oil supplies and United States-Japan relations, he suddenly stopped midsentence, gave me a shrewd look and said: ''Look, we Japanese aren't stupid. We saw Henry Kissinger on TV. We know how America operates. We're perfectly well aware that this war is not about Kuwait. It's about Jewish interests. It's all about Israel.'' Perhaps he had read too many books about Jewish conspiracies (Roosevelt was a Jew, Churchill was a Jew, Rockefeller was a Jew, etc.), for which the Japanese market seems to have an insatiable appetite. He was, in any case, not known for his intellectual finesse. But the idea that Israel or Jewish interests are somehow at the center of world events or, at the very least, at the center of American foreign policy in the Middle East is widely held, and not only outside the United States. No matter what the current American administration does to save the tattered ''road map'' toward an end to the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians, sinister motives are still bound to be imputed. Earlier this year, Representative James Moran, a Democrat, said that ''if it were not for the strong support of the Jewish community for this war with Iraq, we would not be doing this.'' In Britain, Tam Dalyell, a longstanding Labor member of Parliament, expressed a similar view. Tony Blair, he opined, was listening too much to a ''cabal'' of Jews around President Bush that included Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz; an under secretary of defense, Douglas Feith; Richard Perle, a member of the Defense Policy Board; Elliott Abrams, director of Middle East Affairs in the White House; and the former presidential spokesman Ari Fleischer. ''Those people drive this policy,'' Dalyell said. Dalyell was ''worried about my country being led up the garden path on a Likudnik-Sharon agenda'' by British Jews close to Blair. He included among them Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, a Christian, whose rather distant Jewish family connections are very unlikely to make him a Likudnik. The fact that James Moran had to apologize immediately, while the British M.P. was under no compulsion to do so, shows a profound difference between the United States and Europe, or indeed anywhere else in the world. Although Moran's opinion may be shared by other Americans, it is not something mainstream politicians can vocalize. Even legitimate criticism of Israel, or of Zionism, is often quickly denounced as anti-Semitism by various watchdogs. In European political discourse, not only is anti-Zionism quite acceptable, but so are vague allegations of too much Jewish influence in public life, especially across the Atlantic. And in the non-Western world, it's not even necessary to keep such allegations vague. Rarely can such a tiny country as Israel, and such a relatively small minority as the diaspora Jews, have been assumed to exercise so much influence in world affairs. The special relationship between Israel and the United States, and the supposed dominance of ''Jewish interests'' in Washington, is by now encrusted with so many layers of mythology and bad faith that it has become very difficult to discuss Israel's role in American politics critically and dispassionately. Yet not to talk about it invites only more conspiracy theories. There are several myths to be considered. The first is the idea that the American or the British government is dominated or manipulated by Jews. In fact, none of President Bush's cabinet members are Jewish, and the last time individual Jews played a prominent part in any British government was under John Major. Straw, moreover, has spent more time and energy courting Iran than Israel. The well-being of Israel is not Blair's main concern either. In fact, an equitable deal for the Palestinians is more important to the British leader, who badly needs to rebuild his bridges with other European governments. That is why he wants Washington to push the Israelis harder to make peace with the Palestinians. There is no doubt that Israeli lobby groups are well organized and well financed and have considerable clout in Washington. But then so do other lobbies. That is how the game is played. There was a time not so long ago when hefty books were written about the United States government falling into the hands of scheming Japanese lobbies. It is true that some people in the Pentagon, as well as influential organizations like the American Enterprise Institute and the Project for the New American Century, have close relations with the Likud Party, and especially with Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who is much more in tune with American neoconservatism than Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is. Douglas Feith and Richard Perle advised Netanyahu, who was prime minister in 1996, to make ''a clean break'' from the Oslo accords with the Palestinians. They also argued that Israeli security would be served best by regime change in surrounding countries. Despite the current mess in Iraq, this is still a commonplace in Washington. In Paul Wolfowitz's words, ''The road to peace in the Middle East goes through Baghdad.'' It has indeed become an article of faith (literally in some cases) in Washington that American and Israeli interests are identical, but this was not always so, and ''Jewish interests'' are not the main reason for it now. Indeed, Israel enjoys a zealous following among some gentiles, particularly Christian fundamentalists. (In electoral terms, Christian fundamentalists are more important to the Republican Party than Jews -- there are many more of them, the Christian Coalition is highly efficient and most Jews still vote for the Democrats anyway.) Even though Israel is often described as the only democracy in the Middle East, the Christian right's remarkable devotion to Israel is not necessarily driven by democratic principles. The ''Christian Zionists'' are convinced by a literal reading of the Bible that Christ will reappear only once the Jews have repossessed the Holy Land. Their other conviction, that Jews will either die in an apocalypse or be converted to Christianity, is not so reassuring. Still, the Rev. Jerry Falwell declared on ''60 Minutes'' that evangelical Christians would make sure no American president would ever do anything to harm Israel. At a conference of the Christian Coalition held in Washington last year, there were more Stars of David than crucifixes. Then there are the foreign-policy hawks for whom Israel has been a strategic inspiration. The notions of ''pre-emptive'' war and ''regime change'' were exemplified, if not exactly pioneered, by Israel. The Six-Day War of 1967 was launched by Israel in self-protection, admittedly in the face of far greater provocation than Iraq ever gave the United States. And the invasion of Lebanon in 1982 was part of an Israeli effort to install a more friendly government in Beirut. Both actions, deplored by critics of Israel all over the world, were seen as marks of admirable resolve by friends of Israel in the United States. What we see, then, is not a Jewish conspiracy, but a peculiar alliance of evangelical Christians, foreign-policy hard-liners, lobbyists for the Israeli government and neoconservatives, a number of whom happen to be Jewish. But the Jews among them -- Perle, Wolfowitz, William Kristol, editor of The Weekly Standard, et al. -- are more likely to speak about freedom and democracy than about Halakha (Jewish law). What unites this alliance of convenience is a shared vision of American destiny and the conviction that American force and a tough Israeli line on the Arabs are the best ways to make the United States strong, Israel safe and the world a better place. Not all Americans agree with this hard line, to be sure: a recent campaign by American Jews to press Sharon into accepting a two-state solution shows this. In fact, he now accepts it in principle. Whether he will comply with American pressure to stop building a barrier to keep the Palestinians more or less imprisoned inside the occupied territories is doubtful, especially when Palestinian suicide bombers continue to blow up buses -- and the Israeli government continues to kill Hamas leaders. And there is no sign that President Bush will make a serious effort to make the Israelis dismantle, or at least stop building, Jewish settlements in the Palestinian areas. The idea that Israeli and American interests, as defined by evangelical Christians, neocons and Likudniks, converge, as if by force of nature, is not seriously challenged in the United States. To judge from much of the world's media, especially in Europe and the Middle East, this was always true. In fact, it was not. The turning point was the Six-Day War. It was then that many Europeans took up the Palestinian cause and Israel could count, for the first time, on the almost unconditional support of the United States. In 1947, President Harry S. Truman did join the Soviet Union in backing the United Nations resolution that gave Jews the right to found a state in Palestine. But he did so against the advice of State Department officials, who worried about antagonizing the oil-rich Arab nations. When Israelis fought for the survival of their state in 1948, the United States did nothing to help them. Both the Americans and the Soviets would later have good reasons for discretion about their respective attitudes at Israel's difficult birth. In 1956, during the Suez crisis, the United States actively opposed Israel's interests. It was an interesting little war in light of today's fashionable cliches about dovish anti-Zionist Europeans and hawkish pro-Israeli Americans. Israel's biggest supporter and arms supplier in the 1950's was not the United States, but France. That is how Israel got its nuclear bomb. Britain was more ambivalent and tended to lean toward the Arabs. But when President Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt, often depicted in the European press as an Arab Hitler, nationalized the Suez Canal, thus cutting out the British and French corporate owners, the British joined the French in an attempt to grab it back. They enlisted the Israelis in this enterprise by encouraging them to attack Egyptian ''terrorists'' in the Sinai, after which Britain and France would order both sides to withdraw from Suez. The inevitable Egyptian refusal would then be followed by a short, sharp conflict and possibly even a ''regime change'' in Cairo. All went well until the Soviets threatened to intervene on behalf of the Egyptians and President Dwight D. Eisenhower forced France and Britain to back off and the Israelis to get out of the Sinai. The French remained Israel's staunchest allies until 1967, when Gen. Charles de Gaulle decided to withdraw his favors. Having only just divested France of its last colonial possessions in North Africa, de Gaulle decided to cultivate the Arabs. He called the Israelis a ''domineering'' people and warned them against going to war. As he put it to the Israeli foreign minister, Abba Eban: ''You will be considered the aggressor by the world, and by me. You will cause the Soviet Union to penetrate more deeply into the Middle East, and Israel will suffer the consequences. You will create a Palestinian nationalism, and you will never get rid of it.'' De Gaulle was not totally wrong on any of these counts. Until 1967, Israel was a great liberal European cause. Almost everyone on the left supported it. The promised land of kibbutzim and open-shirted pioneers represented, after all, a socialist dream. Conservatives supported Israel, too, especially the type of people who thought that Jews were all very well as long as they stuck to their own kind. This attitude was not new. Arthur Balfour, the British foreign secretary whose famous declaration in 1917 opened Palestine to Jewish immigration, was against Jewish immigration to Britain and told Chaim Weizmann, the Zionist leader, that he shared the ''anti-Semitic postulates'' of certain well-known Jew-baiters. Guilt, too, had a great deal to do with European good will toward Israel in the 50's and early 60's. This was a time when Jewish characters in German novels took on a saintly air and anti-Semitic remarks (in public) were treated as a kind of blasphemy. Anti-Semitism didn't disappear, of course, but open expressions of it were frowned upon, at least in Western Europe. If the word ''Jew'' had to be uttered at all, people lowered their voices, as if embarrassed by the very sound of it. Britain, never having been under Nazi occupation, was less vexed. Having grown up in guilt-ridden Holland, I can remember how shocked I was, sometime in the mid-60's, to hear a young lawyer in London make disparaging remarks about Jews. Philo-Semitism is better than pogroms, to be sure, but there was something unreal, and even a little unsettling, about this dutiful sense of collective guilt. It was as if Jews, including Israeli Jews, once again were not treated in the same way as other human beings, which can quickly lead to resentment, not among Jews so much as among gentiles. Zvi Rex, an Israeli psychoanalyst, once put his finger right on this sorest of points. ''The Germans,'' he said, ''will never forgive the Jews for Auschwitz.'' This harsh analysis applies to some extent to non-Jews all over the European continent. Nobody likes to be made to feel guilty, especially for the sins of his father. So it was with a certain sense of relief, in the aftermath of the 1967 war, that the European left, led by Communist publications like L'Humanite in France, could point its finger at Israelis and conclude that Jews, far from being saintly, were behaving just as badly as everyone else and, indeed, perhaps worse. Once it became clear that the Israelis were not going to give back their conquered territories, the Palestinians became the prime victims to be protected from persecution, and the Jews became the Nazis. Here is L'Humanite on July 20, 1967: ''Six million Jews were not slaughtered by the Nazis so that young sabras could on occasion behave like young Hitlerites.'' In fact, Europeans, especially on the left, had a double guilt complex. One complex concerned the widespread collaboration in the destruction of European Jewry; the other was about the colonial past. France's war in Algeria ended only in 1962, after eight years of torture, terrorism and a near civil war in France. Israel had backed France in this last stand for European colonial rule. Taking up the cause of Palestinians, Vietnamese and other postcolonial peoples fighting for their ''liberation'' was a way to atone for past European sins. And because Western imperialism, since the late 60's, was largely associated with Israel and the United States, anti-Zionism and anti-Americanism came to mean the same thing. In this respect, if in little else, the editors of L'Humanite and General de Gaulle were entirely on the same wavelength. The United States, meanwhile, began supplying Israel with fighter jets in 1968 and became an ever more reliable friend. But Zionist lobbies were not the main reason. It was the politics of the cold war that paved Washington's road to Jerusalem. Even though President Lyndon Johnson liked the macho Israelis, some of his closest advisers, including Vietnam hawks like Secretary of State Dean Rusk and Walt Rostow, a national security adviser, argued against supporting Israel's 1967 war. But Johnson decided that the United States had to stand by Israel to thwart Soviet designs on the Middle East. If American Jews had anything to do with this, it was because many of them criticized the war in Vietnam, and Johnson needed something to appease these loyal Democratic voters. Since Israel, by then, was becoming a primary focus of Jewish identification -- as religion, Yiddish and other Old World memories were fading -- American support for Israel was a popular move among Jews. And besides that, Israel was not only more democratic than America's client states in Southeast Asia but a much brighter military success to boot. The steady alignment of American interests with Israel made it possible for American Jews to be good Jews, good Democrats and good American patriots too. This same period gave birth to neoconservatism, in which Israel played a major role. The career of Norman Podhoretz might serve as an illustration. He was once a man of the left who wondered, when ''thinking about the Jews,'' whether ''their survival as a distinct group was worth one hair on the head of a single infant.'' But, as he explained in a speech on the occasion of his retirement as editor of Commentary in 1995, he began to change his mind in the 60's, when he became ''much more aggressive in defense of Jewish interests in general and of Israel in particular.'' One reason was a sense of shock when defeat in Vietnam threatened to turn the United States into a demoralized, enervated, even isolationist power, which would no longer stand up for good against evil in the world. The other came roughly at the same time. Israel's occupation of Palestinian territories made radical leftists in the United States as receptive as Europeans to Arab and Soviet depictions of the Zionists as neo-Nazis. Disgust with this kind of ''liberalism,'' as well as with a perception of American weakness, pushed former leftists, like Podhoretz and Irving Kristol, managing editor of Commentary, to the right. Convinced of ''the inextricable connection between the survival of Israel and American military strength,'' Podhoretz began to see American dovishness in foreign affairs as a direct threat to Israeli survival. This feeling may be shared by some European Jews too, but without the swagger that goes with being a superpower citizen. Ruth Wisse, a professor of Yiddish literature at Harvard, remarked about Podhoretz that ''because of the national confidence that America nurtured in him, he is immune to the self-doubt and apologetics that eat up so many of his co-religionists from inside.'' This confidence is what Podhoretz and other neoconservatives sought to save from the wreckage of Vietnam. One of their most powerful political allies in this enterprise was Senator Henry (Scoop) Jackson, mentor of Richard Perle, among others. Jackson, a gentile, a Democrat and a staunch cold warrior, was the perfect bridge on which former leftists could cross over to the right, without actually joining the Republican Party. Henry Jackson was a founder of the America-Israel Friendship League. Israel, to him, was not a sentimental issue but an essential part of his vision of the United States as a nation destined to free the world from tyranny. Arab nationalism and Soviet Communism were seen as equally dangerous in this rather Manichaean view of a worldwide battle between good and evil. It goes with Manichaeism (which is, of course, what appeals to Christian fundamentalists too) that battles are not only strategic but also existential. And this, in the eyes of many neocons, is what puts Israel and the United States in the same boat. Podhoretz again: ''Just as the fervent wish of the Arab world to wipe the Jewish state off the map derives not from anything Israel has done or failed to do, but rather from its existence alone, so we'' -- the United States -- ''are hated not because of our policies but because of who and what we are.'' The roots of neoconservative disillusion with liberalism and the almost obsessive promotion of American power go deeper than Vietnam, however. In Podhoretz's case it goes back to his childhood experiences on a school playground in Brooklyn, where he was bullied by his black schoolmates. Blacks, he had always been told, in good liberal fashion, were poor and persecuted, while Jews were rich and powerful. Neither rich, nor powerful, young Norman grew to hate the boys that beat him up with such ease. As he explained in a famous essay, ''My Negro Problem -- and Ours,'' he hated them, but also admired them, for ''they were tough; beautifully, enviably tough, not giving a damn for anyone or anything. To hell with the teacher, the truant officer, the cop; to hell with the whole of the adult world that held us in its grip and that we never had the courage to rebel against.'' This is highly revealing. What Henry Jackson, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Ariel Sharon, Benjamin Netanyahu and George W. Bush have in common is that they enabled bookish men to feel tough, beautifully, enviably tough. Too much can be made of the connection between the Chicago philosopher Leo Strauss and officials in the current Pentagon, but one aspect of Strauss appears to have rubbed off on them. Born in Germany, Strauss was a liberal rationalist in his youth. He had hoped, he said, that anti-Semitism would end with Jewish assimilation in a liberal democracy. The Nazis taught him otherwise. By the 1920's he began to regard liberals as weaklings, powerless to stop the violent mob. If one thing ties neoconservatives, Likudniks, and post-cold-war hawks together, it is the conviction that liberalism is strictly for sissies. By the time Israel was attacked by Egypt and Syria in October 1973, it could no longer be doubted which side the United States stood on, but the size of American largess increased enormously. Before the Yom Kippur War, Congress agreed to an annual loan to Israel of more than $500 million. After the war, this was increased to $2.1 billion in loans and grants, much of which went into purchasing American military hardware. Again, the influence of Jewish lobbies can be easily exaggerated. President Nixon was not known for his warm feelings toward Jews, and most Jews did not vote for him, but he saw Israel as a vital pawn in the great game with the Soviets, especially when they were supplying Egypt with arms. Once Egypt made peace with Israel in 1979, and switched patrons from Moscow to Washington, challenging the Soviets was no longer a major American concern. But the revolution in Iran, led by Ayatollah Khomeini, produced another enemy to confront. And this new confrontation outlasted the cold war. For Khomeini's brand of revolutionary Islam inspired others. Among the Palestinians, who had always been relatively secular, Islamist extremism gradually merged with Palestinian nationalism. The intifadas began with throwing stones, but degenerated into suicide attacks on Israeli citizens, organized by Palestinians with support from parts of the Arab world. Seen from a particular perspective in America, then, especially after 9/11, Israel and the United States, bound together by cold-war concerns in the 60's and 70's, were now thrown together in an existential ''war against terrorism.'' This shaped a climate in which it is not just potentially anti-Semitic to be critical of Israeli policies, but downright unpatriotic, too. If political perspectives have become muddled in the United States by an identification with Israel that is too rarely critically examined, non-Americans are mostly incapable of separating what they think of Israel from what they think of the United States. That is why the Japanese politician I interviewed during the first gulf war automatically identified American policy with ''Jewish interests.'' Japan, like much of the modern world, feels uncomfortably dependent on American economic and military power. When people need to invent a malevolent face for this overwhelming might, they often reach for the prejudices of a hateful past. The Japanese politician may never have heard of the 19th-century Russian forgery ''The Protocols of the Elders of Zion,'' but it was widely read in prewar Japan and is enjoying a popular revival in the Middle East today. It is perfectly possible, of course, to take a critical view of Israeli policies, and of their support in Washington, without being anti-Semitic. It is equally possible to be critical of American policies without being irrationally and emotionally anti-American. Just so, you can be opposed to capitalism, or ''globalization,'' without wishing to unleash or condone suicide attacks on Manhattan. What is disturbing, however, is the way these views now increasingly come together in a hostile cocktail. Most mass demonstrations in Europe, and elsewhere, against the war in Iraq contained banners in support of the Palestinians, even the religious extremists of Hamas, and against the global symbols of capitalism. For some people on the left, being opposed to Israel, or Zionism, goes beyond specific policies in Gaza or the West Bank; Israel is seen as the colonial Western presence in an Arab world, an American client state locked into global capitalism. Even if the Israelis treated the Palestinians with the most scrupulous generosity -- which they do not -- this impression would persist. Not every demonstrator against Ariel Sharon's government or American imperialism is an anti-Semite, to be sure, but the ready identification of Jewish interests with the United States or, in the past, with Britain is old and loaded with prejudice. Since the early 19th century, many Europeans associated the City of London, as Wall Street is today, with financial power, materialist greed and economic imperialism. To ethnic nationalists in Germany and elsewhere, Britain and France, with their relative openness to immigrants, were seen as mongrel nations, where citizenship could be bought for a crock of gold. This is what Hitler meant when he called France, Britain and the United States ''Jewified.'' He took the view, popularized by all manner of third-rate scribblers, that a Jewish cabal was manipulating Western powers behind the scenes. French universalism and Anglo-Saxon capitalism, so it was believed, threatened the unique values of culture and race. And behind all this were the Jews, pulling strings in their cosmopolitan network of banks, newspapers and movie companies. The United States is now the biggest capitalist power in the world. To the extent that it is an empire, it is driven by economic interests, but also, these days, by a mission to spread ''American values,'' as if they were universal. Hollywood is seen in the outside world as part of this, and so are Wall Street, the Pentagon and the International Monetary Fund. This, alas, is precisely the kind of thing anti-Semites have always associated with Jewish conspiracies. And since Israel is America's most favored ally in the Middle East, and the Palestinian cause has become the universal litmus test of liberal credentials, the idea that Jewish interests are driving American foreign policy is even more widely believed, if not always openly stated. American foreign policy and ancient prejudices are reinforcing each other in a vicious circle. For Israel, the American embrace is an ambiguous advantage. Although perhaps vital for the nation's survival, it also makes Israel the hub of global hostility toward the United States. It is, in any case, doubtful that the fate of Israel is best served by its dependence on an alliance with Christian fundamentalists and people on a mission to liberate the world with military force. It may well be that Israel's interests coincide with those of the United States for the moment, but this should not be a given, never to be examined or reassessed. The first condition for a reasoned examination would be to disentangle Israel's politics from all the anti-Semitic myths and other leftovers of a murderous past. This is not so easily done, since Israeli leaders have too often abused history themselves. The Israeli bomb attack on an Iraqi nuclear installation in 1981 might have been justified in many legitimate ways, but to say, as Prime Minister Menachem Begin did, that it was to protect ''the children of Israel,'' asking foreign reporters, ''Haven't you heard of one and a half million little children who were thrown into gas chambers?'' is to dangerously confuse the issue. The same was true when Prime Minister Sharon warned the United States last year not to repeat the mistakes of 1938 and sell out Israel like Czechoslovakia. Such false analogies serve only to invite equally odious comparisons from Israel's critics. Disentangling American and Israeli interests and government actions is, if anything, even harder. To see Israel as nothing but a cat's paw of American imperialism in the Middle East is a crude distortion. And to hold Washington responsible for every Israeli action against the Palestinians is equally misguided. But it is neither anti-Semitic nor blindly anti-American to point out that the United States could have done much more to stop Israel from humiliating the Palestinians by turning the occupied territories into a kind of Wild East of gunslinging settlers and hounded natives. Finally, the politics of the Middle East may be murderous, but it is not helpful to see them as an existential battle between good and evil. As long as such a view persists, among zealots in Washington, Jerusalem and Nablus, the struggle between Jews and Arabs will be forever obscured by a fog of noxious myths and fantasies. Religious fanaticism is confounding the politics of Israel, as well as that of its enemies. And its influence is felt in the United States as well. Americans are right to support Israel's right to exist in peace, but criticism of Israeli policies should not be stifled by Christian visions of Armageddon, right-wing zealotry or memories of the culture wars in Brooklyn. This would not be good for America, and it is certainly not good for the Jews. Ian Buruma lives in Oxford and New York. He is a Luce Professor at Bard College and the author, most recently, of ''Inventing Japan.'' http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/31/magazine...pagewanted=1&th
  19. MJ

    Us Hungary Iraq

    I think the material referenced below may provide some answers to that question. It is not specifically about Hungary but about the new transformations and reorganization of the existing infrastructures. http://www.heritage.org/Research/Europe/bg1648.cfm
  20. MJ

    Assorestan

    While not denying the legitimate right of the Kurds to erect their homeland, to have Kurdistan near the borders of Amrenia would be Amrenia's second worst nightmare.
  21. Marina, You can also ask why do Russians, Assories, Greeks, Yezedes call the Armenian troops "our troops" and why did they even volunteer in the paramilitary formations to fight against the enemies of Armenia? So that to prevent the explanations in the realm of "common enemy," you can just emphasize the fact of civilian Russians lving in Amrenia and considering it their homeland, and as a result volunteering in the Armenian paramilitery in 1990. You can also remind him similar stories from the history of the First Republic of Amrenia.
  22. MJ

    Mj's Article

    What? Denial? After all the work that you have done to prove the facts they still can deny? What a bizarre situation...
  23. MJ

    Mj's Article

    I have already answered that question.
  24. MJ

    Mj's Article

    Thoth, I think it would be hard for anyone to find a written or verbal passage originating from me which would claim that the Genocide “recognition” should not be pursued. As a matter of fact, you would find ample evidence on the opposite – even in this forum, and in particular, in a latest article of mine which has been somewhat discussed in this thread. You would also find my criticism of the previous administration of the Republic of Armenia for not pursuing the issue officially and my praise of the current administration for turning it [partially] into a state policy. Speaking of justice... I think it has to be pursued by all means. The question is how. The question is whether some of the well-known methods do lead to any meaningful results other than addressing some questionable internal issues. Also, one has to be able to distinguish justice from revenge. Which one do we want to accomplish? Moreover, in my latest article you would find explicit passages of mine advocating diversity of strategy in the Genocide “recognition” issue. You would also find explicit passages that list a number of issues associated with the Genocide – from psycho-sociological to political. Therefore, you should not try to make an [implicit] impression that I don’t see the issues beyond that of victimization. I don’t give myself the right of judging the others. Whatever they are doing or have been doing, they will continue doing regardless of my position on the issues. However, when they cross into my space, they will get adequate response to the best of my abilities. I also want some real progress and solution in the problem of Genocide. Again, the question is how you accomplish such task. As you would agree, I assume, loving parents don’t pass their pain to their children and grandchildren. They contain the pain within themselves. Those who pass the pain to the younger generation could be deemed as unfit for parenting. This is an allegoric statement, but I am sure you get the point. There is no shame in pursuing Genocide “recognition.” But it is a shame to claim ownership of such agenda and put labels on other people who in no way have less emotions on the subject though have different perspectives on the resolution of the problem. Regarding agreeing with my positions… I doubt that I make any impression that I am trying to have others agree with my positions. I don’t really care about it. I state what I state. What I state is not my fantasy. These things comprise the foundation of the Armenian statehood. It is up to you to join. In some ways, this manifests a respect from my side towards your choices. If you don’t join that is fine too. It doesn’t make you any worse person. But you are not any different to me than any other person that I may come across in a bar, in a park or a social event. Also, normally, I don’t believe that anyone changes anyone else. A capable and thinking person learns things for himself/herself. Most that such a person may lack is some perspective. Therefore, it is enough to articulate the perspective you want. IF the person doesn’t come to a better understanding of the issues on his/her own, it is not worth the effort to persuade him/her. He/she is incapable. Leave him/her alone. I have come to this conclusion as a result of much wasted precious energy and time. And regarding the forgiveness. .. It is interesting that in a six page dense material this is what is inviting most of the “discussions.” This is only to indicate that most of the Armenians are not out there for justice but for revenge. Revenge is a cowardly and disgusting feeling – especially in the well known popular form of its manifestation. Forgiveness has nothing to do with the guilty part. Forgiveness is an inner feeling of the victim associated with his/her ability to claim himself/herself back and not being subjected continually to the same act of crime – this time in the psychological domain. It is not about how the criminal behaves. It is about what kind of person the victim is. Additionally, if Armenians are not able to forgive, Turks have no incentive to apologize (discounting the more than remote possibility of their drive for self-cleansing.) Also, one may think that by not forgiving, the “non-forgivers” are doing something useful for the “recognition” of the Genocide or hurting the Turks. This is a pathetic misperception. Let’s think of a real possibility, here. Let’s assume that Turks never accept the fact of the Genocide. Then Armenians will never be able to forgive? I doubt it very much. Let’s assume we can’t forgive. Who cares other than us? What is its importance? In fact, most of the Armenians have forgiven the Turks. Especially forgiven were the Turks by the very victims of the Genocide. My grandparents had forgiven them. So had the countless other survivors that I have grown up amongst. Let the latest version of Domino tell me who is he (actually I know it for myself) not to forgive or what is the relevance of his “non-forgiveness.” One of the sad expression of the legacy of the Genocide is the fact that a major layer of ethnic Armenians suffers from a severe form of lose of identity, or better, lack of identity. Many of them have been emigrants for generations – from one country to another. Eventually, many of them have settled in the US, for example. Even leaving in US for a couple of decades or so, they have not been able to connect with America, they don’t connect with Armenia. These are people with no homeland other than Turkey. All they can connect with is Turkey. That’s why their thoughts and dreams are associated with Turkey and any one sneezes in Turkey, these people get flu. The fact of the matter is that their umbilical chord is still connected to Turkey – their spiritual homeland. Turn a genuine Armenian music on for them (as an experiment) and see if they connect with it. Now turn Turkish music on… These people are not the Armenian Diaspora. They are the Turkish Diaspora of Armenian ethnicity. It would be useful to understand it. I am not saying these things to condemn or to undermine someone. If I don’t have hatred or hostility towards the Turks, I sure can also feel sympathetic for these people. But the only thing I can tell them is unless they are able to forgive they are eternally condemned to self-distraction and a state pf permanent schizophrenia. This is not an emotional outburst from my side but a clinically established phenomenon. One last thing… Look at this forum. Anytime one discusses Genocide, the crowd flows in as a heard. Try to discuss Armenia or issues associated with the future. There is so much going on in Armenia these days… How much interest can be detected in this forum about these issues of today and tomorrow? Now, imagine that there is a report of Human Rights violations in Turkey. Wouldn’t it become a topic of heated debates and wouldn’t members who have been away for month come to the surface? What does it tell you? Please explain. What it tells me is that these are people with no future. Would someone like me spend time and energy on them? Not really – not anymore. There is enough experience and evidence in and out of this forum to claim that these are dead people waiting only for a ritualized burial with all honors. Why not to give it to them? However, there is a large group of disenfranchised young people who may be the hope for the future. One needs a divine power perhaps to be able to mobilize them. This is all for today. Cannot afford to be better organized or more elaborate.
  25. Dear Marina, Welcome to the forum. And be asured that our troops have our support. Enjoy your tenure in the forum.
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